[BHoover]

Jason,

I'd rather drive to Pittsburgh and play Oakmont and Fox Chapel. I'd rather go to NY and play on Long Island. I'd rather go back to Kingsley and also play Crystal Downs. I'd rather go to Erin Hills. I'd rather go to Tennessee and play Holston Hills and Lookout Mountain. I'd rather go to San Francisco. I could go on and on.

Not saying I wouldn't like to play Streamsong, but it's not on my bucket list at the moment.

At least you have choices...

Not so much choices as a wishlist...that my wife wouldn't agree to anyway.

[John Kavanaugh]

JR, John, others

Am I getting it right that you guys were paying the recommended $80 price per bag per 18 holes and tipping an additional $80 to $120 per bag per round?  Seems a little excessive!

I'm going to be there next week with Howard's group and may have to take a cart and required forecaddie  (not sure about 36 holes two days in a row in possibly hot conditions).  I certainly wouldn't have even thought to tip that much (but then I've only taken a caddie maybe three times in my long life and only when required).  I've played three times at SS and walked with trolley 36 each time because I couldn't stomach the caddie fee either as a single on a cart or walking with a caddie.  No value proposition for me.  I have played there with others who had caddies, some of whom were entertaining and some not so much.

Brian,

In my case there was confusion about who was paying the caddie so he was paid twice. The second day our double bagger was given $100 from each of us for 18 which is perfectly fair. In defense of the generosity of JR, a double bagging caddie will earn $400 for 36 holes most days. Excuse me, I mean get paid $400 for 36 holes.

[jeffwarne]

JR, John, others

Am I getting it right that you guys were paying the recommended $80 price per bag per 18 holes and tipping an additional $80 to $120 per bag per round?  Seems a little excessive!

I'm going to be there next week with Howard's group and may have to take a cart and required forecaddie  (not sure about 36 holes two days in a row in possibly hot conditions).  I certainly wouldn't have even thought to tip that much (but then I've only taken a caddie maybe three times in my long life and only when required).  I've played three times at SS and walked with trolley 36 each time because I couldn't stomach the caddie fee either as a single on a cart or walking with a caddie.  No value proposition for me.  I have played there with others who had caddies, some of whom were entertaining and some not so much.

Brian,

In my case there was confusion about who was paying the caddie so he was paid twice.

Somewhere out there on Caddyclubatlas.com there's a thread on the ironic stupidity of smug golfers..........

[John Kavanaugh]

Jeff,

And that is why I don't like caddies. At a resort specifically we are nothing but a bunch of rubes. I made eye contact with the guy as he was getting double paid. He could have declined. Like I said earlier, it would have embarrassed everyone if I had protested in front of a very crowded putting green adjacent to the first tee.

As a note concerning how my dislike of caddies is just one of many things that makes me a bad person. I don't like dogs either. I think a lot of people don't like caddies but accept them because they are a barrier that must be breached to play most of the great courses in this country.

[J_ Crisham]

John,    I get conflicted with pro jocks carrying doubles who mail it in. A high school or college kid hustling to make a buck I will support to my dying day. At this point in my life if I cant read a green at a club I've played and caddied at since the late 70's then shame on me. The fees are pretty exorbinant for the pro jocks who at $100 a bag are making $50 an hour for a low level of service when they double bag.Thanks but I'll take the kid who is using caddying as a stepping stone in life.

[John Kavanaugh]

Yea, I like puppies. All you really need to do is think why some establishments still use bathroom attendants. It is the exact same reason unaccompanied groups are required to take caddies. They have become babysitters who try to limit the damage you may do to yourself or the property. It has nothing to do with increasing the enjoyment of your movement.

[Mike Hendren]

Currently, a caddy is just one more person in the group that I feel the need to apologize to for some of the most ridiculous golf shots a former single-digit handicapper has made in the history of the game.  The best caddy advice in the world is worthless if you can't execute. 

My two favorite experiences were at Clovernook and Lehigh where the teenagers were quiet, kept up and could have cared less about how I played.  

That, and the only true joy left in the game for me is slinging my Ping Moon bag over my shoulder.

Bogey

[Tim Martin]

I would love to play both courses at SS and see the development. Like most places I'm sure the competency and level of enthusiasm varies depending on who draws your bag. I am at a loss as to how someone commands an $80 to $100 tip on top of the $80 fee. Is this the suggested rate and if not what is? I know there is discretion at play but it would seem that if you paid that much then it was voluntary.

[John Kavanaugh]

Why should a caddie make less money because you request a single?  For that reason I understand why JR paid a premium.

[JR Potts]

Why should a caddie make less money because you request a single?  For that reason I understand why JR paid a premium.

Exactly.  And I generally enjoyed his company and his guidance. (As I would have misread half of my putts).

That said, I asked the golf shop and other caddies I knew from home what was a good day, and they said $180 per.  I thought I'd make my guy's day better than expected....and gave him a little extra.  Who knew that my buddies would do the same.

And I hate double-bagging.  Would happily pay extra.  Double-bagging is a detriment to the enjoyment of the day.

[John Kavanaugh]

Not to mention that members of Medinah have an example to set for the rest of us.  There can't be a better bag for a caddie to grab.

[JR Potts]

Not to mention that members of Medinah have an example to set for the rest of us.  There can't be a better bag for a caddie to grab.

I'm certainly no example.  That said, those Beverly guys throw money at caddies like I've never seen.  A tip, caddies should pick up one of their bags first.

[J_ Crisham]

Not to mention that members of Medinah have an example to set for the rest of us.  There can't be a better bag for a caddie to grab.

I'm certainly no example.  That said, those Beverly guys throw money at caddies like I've never seen.  A tip, caddies should pick up one of their bags first.

We probably overpay - my sense it is because you see some high school or college kid humping it to get the Evans or a kid who didn't, trying to get thru school. We also have a fair number of guys who caddied there who are very supportive. We also feel fortunate to have the 200 kids who spend the summer working for us. Hopefully we positively shape a few lives along the way. It's all good in the Chicago area with the support of the caddy programs-Medinah being one of the leaders.Llooks like another 100 plus kids will get the Evans in the Chicago area this year. Great way to give back to the game.

[Bill Brightly]

Not to mention that members of Medinah have an example to set for the rest of us.  There can't be a better bag for a caddie to grab.

I'm certainly no example.  That said, those Beverly guys throw money at caddies like I've never seen.  A tip, caddies should pick up one of their bags first.

We probably overpay - my sense it is because you see some high school or college kid humping it to get the Evans or a kid who didn't, trying to get thru school. We also have a fair number of guys who caddied there who are very supportive. We also feel fortunate to have the 200 kids who spend the summer working for us. Hopefully we positively shape a few lives along the way. It's all good in the Chicago area with the support of the caddy programs-Medinah being one of the leaders.Llooks like another 100 plus kids will get the Evans in the Chicago area this year. Great way to give back to the game.

You do not overpay. You have a unique and refreshing caddy program at Beverly where you only use high school kids, and make them carry only one bag. I think it is great, you spread the work and help more kids, but caddies carrying doubles make much more. I really enjoyed all the kids who were caddying in our group: they were attentive, found every wayward shot, even when I did my best to lose a ball on your driving range... and we never had to wait for them to catch up.

But JR, I also happen to like having a good double caddy. There is an art to effectively handling two bags, not making either player wait, reading both putts, etc. I really enjoy watching a really professional caddy work. And I enjoy the "break" you get when walking alone sometimes. At Bandon, I felt like my single caddy was my shadow for 4 days. He was with me every step of the way, even when I wanted to be left alone to contemplate one of my many crappy shots.

[Tim Martin]

Not to mention that members of Medinah have an example to set for the rest of us.  There can't be a better bag for a caddie to grab.

I'm certainly no example.  That said, those Beverly guys throw money at caddies like I've never seen.  A tip, caddies should pick up one of their bags first.

We probably overpay - my sense it is because you see some high school or college kid humping it to get the Evans or a kid who didn't, trying to get thru school. We also have a fair number of guys who caddied there who are very supportive. We also feel fortunate to have the 200 kids who spend the summer working for us. Hopefully we positively shape a few lives along the way. It's all good in the Chicago area with the support of the caddy programs-Medinah being one of the leaders.Llooks like another 100 plus kids will get the Evans in the Chicago area this year. Great way to give back to the game.

But JR, I also happen to like having a good double caddy. There is an art to effectively handling two bags, not making either player wait, reading both putts, etc. I really enjoy watching a really professional caddy work. And I enjoy the "break" you get when walking alone sometimes. At Bandon, I felt like my single caddy was my shadow for 4 days. He was with me every step of the way, even when I wanted to be left alone to contemplate one of my many crappy shots.

+1. We have does this dance countless times but a pair of good caddies can handle doubles almost seamlessly if they know how to work together.

[Jud_T]

But JR, I also happen to like having a good double caddy. There is an art to effectively handling two bags, not making either player wait, reading both putts, etc. I really enjoy watching a really professional caddy work. And I enjoy the "break" you get when walking alone sometimes. At Bandon, I felt like my single caddy was my shadow for 4 days. He was with me every step of the way, even when I wanted to be left alone to contemplate one of my many crappy shots.
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+1. We have does this dance countless times but a pair of good caddies can handle doubles almost seamlessly if they know how to work together.
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Shivas Irons, white courtesy telephone...

[John McCarthy]

Carry doubles is hard just because there are fewers eyes on the ball when it hits the rough/natural area. 

[Steve Wilson]

I had a great caddie at Streamsong on Saturday.  I probably over tipped him but that's my business's.  And my bad shots don't embarrass me any more with a caddie than with the rest of the group.  My only criteria for bad shots when my partner apologizes for one is "Did you do it on purpose?". I've yet to have anybody say "Yes?"

Please excuse any incoherence as I just finished a pint of the world's best beer Chillwave by Great Lakes on top of a head cold.

[Bill_McBride]

Carry doubles is hard just because there are fewers eyes on the ball when it hits the rough/natural area.  

When I was a teenager I caddied one summer at the Meadow Club in Marin County.  This was a LONG time ago.  The caddie master always sent me out with two ladies who had bags like Rodney and played army golf.  Left right, left right.  I never worked so hard in my life for no tips.  My life as a caddy was pretty short lived.  

[Tim Martin]

Not to mention that members of Medinah have an example to set for the rest of us.  There can't be a better bag for a caddie to grab.

I'm certainly no example.  That said, those Beverly guys throw money at caddies like I've never seen.  A tip, caddies should pick up one of their bags first.

We probably overpay - my sense it is because you see some high school or college kid humping it to get the Evans or a kid who didn't, trying to get thru school. We also have a fair number of guys who caddied there who are very supportive. We also feel fortunate to have the 200 kids who spend the summer working for us. Hopefully we positively shape a few lives along the way. It's all good in the Chicago area with the support of the caddy programs-Medinah being one of the leaders.Llooks like another 100 plus kids will get the Evans in the Chicago area this year. Great way to give back to the game.

But JR, I also happen to like having a good double caddy. There is an art to effectively handling two bags, not making either player wait, reading both putts, etc. I really enjoy watching a really professional caddy work. And I enjoy the "break" you get when walking alone sometimes. At Bandon, I felt like my single caddy was my shadow for 4 days. He was with me every step of the way, even when I wanted to be left alone to contemplate one of my many crappy shots.

Sorry-Posted in error.

[Bill Brightly]

Carry doubles is hard just because there are fewers eyes on the ball when it hits the rough/natural area. 

Only one pair of good eyes needed...

[Will Lozier]

I had a great caddie at Streamsong on Saturday.  I probably over tipped him but that's my business's.  And my bad shots don't embarrass me any more with a caddie than with the rest of the group.  My only criteria for bad shots when my partner apologizes for one is "Did you do it on purpose?". I've yet to have anybody say "Yes?"

Please excuse any incoherence as I just finished a pint of the world's best beer Chillwave by Great Lakes on top of a head cold.

Steve,

Burning River is my favorite beer in the world!  Never had their Chillwave....of course I now live in Atlanta and make it to Ohio only once or twice a year!  I just checked that it's a double IPA...yum!  If you ever make it down to Hotlanta, try Monday Night Brewery's Blind Pirate.

Cheers

[Howard Riefs]

Noah was one of the best caddies I've ever had.  

Belated thanks to Ryan for this recommendation. I had Noah on the bag for four rounds and would highly recommend him to others ... and have already. Personable, great knowledge of the course/greens, confidence-builder, helpful to fellow players, proper etiquette, etc. Plus, in a weird 'small world' discovery, we both went to the same summer camp in the Catskills in 1986. Nice to reminisce.

Also, thanks to others who recommended Streamsong caddies. The list helped provide a great caddie experience for those of us attending the Phosphate Feathery.

[Chris_Hufnagel]

Noah was one of the best caddies I've ever had.  

Belated thanks to Ryan for this recommendation. I had Noah on the bag for four rounds and would highly recommend him to others ... and have already. Personable, great knowledge of the course/greens, confidence-builder, helpful to fellow players, proper etiquette, etc. Plus, in a weird 'small world' discovery, we both went to the same summer camp in the Catskills in 1986. Nice to reminisce.

Also, thanks to others who recommended Streamsong caddies. The list helped provide a great caddie experience for those of us attending the Phosphate Feathery.

+1

I was in Howard's group a couple of times over the weekend and thought Noah was a very good caddie - not only supportive of his player but also for the other golfers in the group.  I would certainly recommend him if you are headed down to Streamsong...

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