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John Kavanaugh

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What is it about Ran's photos?
« on: January 07, 2013, 11:39:25 AM »
Why are they so damn interesting when compared to the photo tours in the discussion group?  Check out any random review in the Courses by Country section and tell me what the rest of us are missing.

Terry Lavin

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Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2013, 11:46:12 AM »
It's a Flynn thing, the proper use of angles; the photos that Ran and Ben take are typically taken at an angle that makes the view more interesting.  It's not the usual, middle-of-the-teebox, middle-of-the-fairway, right-in-front-of-the-green thing.
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Carl Nichols

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Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2013, 11:48:59 AM »
Agree with Terry that that's at least part of it.  My bet is that Ran often takes pictures when he's not playing, and simply looks for the places from which to take the best shots.  Others seem to take pictures from where they happen to be.

Scott Sander

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Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2013, 11:50:36 AM »
Ran and a few others seem adept at taking the picture that explains the point, as opposed to trying to come up with words to explain the picture they took.

Robert Chwalik

Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2013, 12:03:28 PM »
Agree with Carl and Scott,

It certainly feels like (and Ran can certainly correct me if I am off base) the pictures Ran uses to supplement the course reviews highlight the points he wants to emphasize.  Perhaps the difference is playing the course multiple times, developing the outline and then separately going out to take the pictures that support/flesh out the words.  At least this is how I would go about it... I always look at the pictures I take afterwards and they are never from the optimum location to describe the hole or strategy around yet

best

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Kyle Harris

Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2013, 12:04:01 PM »
Because Ran knows how to bury his feet when he is in the cutting room.

Gene Greco

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Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2013, 12:27:40 PM »
     Indeed, his pics are compelling, especially the one of the 6th green at Sand Hills Golf Club.  :)

(In addition to the fine reasons listed above one might note he features people in a good number of his pictures. Golf is not only about the courses one plays upon but also the people along in your group. His is a nice way to chronicle his experiences with those who are now or have been a part of his life).

"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

Peter Pallotta

Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2013, 01:16:33 PM »
Maybe he knows more than the rest of us about architecture and what to look for, and feels that he has less to prove in regards to what he knows. When it comes to photographing golf courses, Ran's cool.

Peter

Tom Yost

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Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2013, 01:54:53 PM »
Because Ran knows how to bury his feet when he is in the cutting room.

Here's to that.  Assuming you are referring to the concept of "less is more."


Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2013, 02:38:11 PM »
I walked round Alwoodley with Ran when he played with Rick Holland and Nick Leefe. On the 15th green he got me to stand on a particular part of the green front. It enabled him to show the remarkable upslope in a way nobody else has ever captured. Perhaps his eye and brain are so cleverly programmed that he sees things in a way none of the rest of us does.

I have to say that Sean Arble has something of this ability, too. We occasionally play courses together. He takes far, far fewer photos than I do and he gets far, far better results. Maybe it's an American thing....

Steve_Lovett

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Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2013, 03:11:47 PM »
It's because Ran can write. Taken together the text + images tell a far better story than just photos or just words.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2013, 03:13:19 PM »
JakaB,

As nice as the photos might be, Ran's write-ups are without parallel

Ted Sturges

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Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2013, 03:14:40 PM »
Because he is, in fact....Golf's Most Beloved Photographer!   

Joe_Tucholski

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Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2013, 03:15:31 PM »
Does he use his phone for photos?

Gib_Papazian

Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2013, 04:22:31 PM »
Barny,

I'm going to disagree; many of the photo tours are excellent - especially since the majority are clearly shot on-the-fly while playing the course. You can always re-size photos to clean and polish the composition, but capturing subtle micro-scale contours - as opposed to bold, sprawling panoramas - often depends on waiting for the optimal light.

It would be interesting to know what sort of equipment Ran is using out there. Generally, there are two schools of thought. One is to get familiar with one sharp lens and move around to capture just the right angle. The other (which I do) is to carry a variety of glass and a meter. Ran seems to get the color temperature pretty close and definitely has a knack for combining angles that are both aesthetically pleasing and still illustrate his point.

Personally, I cannot stand pictures of golfers in the shot. I think it clutters the frame and detracts from the architecture; my taste is probably in the minority here. Yes, it can provide some perspective on slope and the relationship of the elements in terms of size, but contaminating a carefully composed shot with a middle-aged dork wearing ill-fitting khakis and a sweat stained Jim Colbert hat is an ocular offense.

So Ran, as long as we are all having a slurp-fest, fess up! Through sheer repetition, my bet is you've got an aging Nikon with a razor sharp 50mm lens that is like another appendage. Most of the world's greatest street photographers see it, frame it and fire. They are not fumbling around with their Sekonic, trying to decide which lens to snap on - which is why I almost always miss the magic moment on action shots.  

Who won the photography contest. Anybody know? I sort of lost interest and never bothered to check. It would be interesting to compare what everybody shoots with - especially what they carry when just walking and shooting. Unless you've got a golf cart, it is a pain in the ass to lug around a bunch of glass, filters and a tripod.                  
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Carl Johnson

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Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2013, 04:25:32 PM »
Ran's composition is excellent.  There's a plethora of material out there about how to compose interesting pictures, if, like for me, it does not come naturally.  Light is critical.  Best I think is early morning and late afternoon with shadows and without bright light wiping things out, although it does not seem to me that Ran makes extensive use of shadows -- I've not looked at a huge amount of his work though.  Also, I do not know the advantage Ran takes of Photoshop or even much simplier computer tools, that in the hands of the right person (such as my wife on my photos) can work wonders.  Other posters are good, too.  Ed Oden's photos are always high quality.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2013, 04:38:06 PM by Carl Johnson »

Sean_A

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Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2013, 05:44:05 PM »
I've only played one round with Ran when he did a review and its a tough course to get good pix.  He hit very few shots.  I think its partly a priority issue.  Is one mainly playing golf while taking photos or is one taking photos?  I also think Ran doesn't post reviews of courses when he didn't get decent photos - this proves Gib's theory of light.  Sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't.  Where I think Ran's reviews standout is the prose.  He finds a way to engage the enthusiast while usually hammering away with his core beliefs on golf architecture and maintenance.

Mark - thank you, but I have no skills and refuse to alter the images once taken. I never saw much point in trying to perfect photos - they are a snapshot of an imperfect life.   

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Mac Plumart

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Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2013, 05:59:20 PM »
Ran's are certainly good...but don't forget about Kyle Henderson...and a few others.

From the professional ranks, Aidan Bradley is one of my favorites.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Tim Martin

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Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2013, 07:18:14 PM »
Ran's are certainly good...but don't forget about Kyle Henderson...and a few others.

From the professional ranks, Aidan Bradley is one of my favorites.

Joe Bausch also has a knack for taking exceptional photos. Additionally he has a completely unobtrusive style that let's him take quite a few shots from the most interesting vantage points without ever attracting any undue attention all while playing just as quickly as anyone I know.

Joe Bausch

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Re: What is it about Ran's photos?
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2013, 07:46:56 PM »
Ran's are certainly good...but don't forget about Kyle Henderson...and a few others.

From the professional ranks, Aidan Bradley is one of my favorites.

Joe Bausch also has a knack for taking exceptional photos. Additionally he has a completely unobtrusive style that let's him take quite a few shots from the most interesting vantage points without ever attracting any undue attention all while playing just as quickly as anyone I know.

Tim, thanks for your kind words.

Ran's tours are very good.  No doubt.

My style is not for everyone.  Let's just leave it at that for now. . .
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