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Tommy Williamsen

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Please turn me into a golf course!!
« on: January 01, 2013, 03:54:22 PM »
Every once in a while I stumble across land that screams, “Turn me into a golf course!!”  This is such land.  It is the Braunton Burroughs in Devon.  It is stone’s throw from two pretty good courses—Saunton GC.













Just for comparison.  Saunton West does use some pretty dramatic land.


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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2013, 03:57:09 PM »
Holy flock of sheep. That's purty.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2013, 03:58:03 PM »
Until the last picture, I thought you were crazy.  Most of the dunes shown beforehand are too severe for fairways ... every other shot would be a blind shot.  But the last photo [not the one of Saunton itself] shows much more potential.  (If you weren't photographing a protected environmental site.)

There are many great pieces of land like that around the globe, but fewer and fewer without restrictions.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2013, 04:59:33 PM »
Tom, There is piece of land in the dunes of Muskegon that is stunning.   There is good land out there to be sure.  When I walked this ground in Devon I was just awestruck. 
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Jeb Bearer

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2013, 11:21:24 PM »
Where is that big ridge in relation to the rest of the land? would a golf course have to go up and over it? Or could it go around?

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2013, 06:53:51 AM »
This land was off-limits when even when Saunton West was built I think... so goodness knows how difficult it would be today... But that last photo is pretty wonderful alright...

Mike Hendren

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2013, 09:28:16 AM »
Trump optioned it earlier today.
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Ivan Morris

Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2013, 09:43:50 AM »
This property might be the best reason yet for the UK to leave the EU? I wonder how many Vertigo Angustiors (Doonbeg Snails) live in that heavenly piece of dunes land? All that land needs is an English, Pat Ruddy.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2013, 09:59:19 AM »
It is a huge piece of property.  The routing could definitely go around any and all of the large dunes.  The land, however, is off limits.  The army trains there but is open to visitors when they are not training.
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David Kelly

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2013, 01:16:39 PM »
There are many great pieces of land like that around the globe, but fewer and fewer without restrictions.

If you take a left when leaving the driveway of Prairie Dunes you will have three or four miles of fantastic golf land that is very similar to the land that PD was built on but is now either empty or being used for grazing.  There are probably zero environmental restrictions but the problem is that there probably isn't any business plan that would make sense for building a golf course there.  They tried with Faldo's Cottonwood Hills and the course went under almost instantly.
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Bill Crane

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2013, 01:35:22 PM »
There is incredible dune land and links land transitioning to heather on Cape Cod in Massachusetts.  It's just beautiful, with interesting winds, sand, often with staggering views.  Standing on the highest point of Highland Links golf course in Truro you can see the Atlantic, Cape Cod Bay and Provincetown Harbor leading into the town.

Nearly all of the preserved land of this sort is in the Cape Cape National Seashore and highly unlikely to be ever available to create a golf course.

The same process depositing glacial outwash that created the Hamptons was responsible for Cape Cod terrain, both Glacial Moraines.

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archie_struthers

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2013, 02:04:30 PM »
 :'( :'( :'(


Wow , if I didn't play and love golf I could see why no one would want anyone to touch that land . It is so beautiful. 

Its amazing how the grass grows over there, and you can see how the links evolve .  Great pictures , thank you!

Ulrich Mayring

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2013, 05:53:03 PM »
Reposting these pics from the great west coast of Jutland:


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Stephen Davis

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2013, 06:07:45 PM »
Both of these spots are beautiful! I don't know whether to be happy or sad that the are off limits. I think both.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2013, 09:41:41 PM »
:'( :'( :'(


Wow , if I didn't play and love golf I could see why no one would want anyone to touch that land . It is so beautiful. 

Its amazing how the grass grows over there, and you can see how the links evolve .  Great pictures , thank you!

Yes, but who ever walks on it / experiences it / even notices it? Honestly? It's not like your pouring concrete on it!!

I spent a couple of hours just wandering around the property, clamoring up sand dunes, and over hillocks.  I saw only two other people the entire time. The area was enormous.  I had seen similar ground from the road but never had the opportunity to walk such untouched land before.  I can only imagine what it would be like to walk the land with an opportunity to build a course on it. What a thrill it must be.
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Cristian

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2013, 10:15:57 PM »
Love this thread, have often thought of potential golf courses on great pieces of land, like this one...



Some of the finest links land between Kennemer and Noordwijk. It will never happen though, as the area is completely off limits, even to hikers. (photo taken from the edge of the land, on a foot path, the other side of a fence)
« Last Edit: January 02, 2013, 10:26:43 PM by Cristian Willaert »

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2013, 09:59:00 PM »
Love this thread, have often thought of potential golf courses on great pieces of land, like this one...



Some of the finest links land between Kennemer and Noordwijk. It will never happen though, as the area is completely off limits, even to hikers. (photo taken from the edge of the land, on a foot path, the other side of a fence)

Cristian, I played Kennemer four or five years ago.  It has some really fine links land. There could be some exceptional courses built on that land.
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2013, 04:45:54 AM »
:'( :'( :'(


Wow , if I didn't play and love golf I could see why no one would want anyone to touch that land . It is so beautiful. 

Its amazing how the grass grows over there, and you can see how the links evolve .  Great pictures , thank you!

Yes, but who ever walks on it / experiences it / even notices it? Honestly? It's not like your pouring concrete on it!!

Brian,

you would be amazed how many people would suddenly turn up saying it was very important to leave it as it is and that of course they used it very regularly ;D

Jon

Bryan Lewis

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2013, 08:07:23 AM »
Seems like there is some wonderful dunes land as you are driving South into Monterrey, CA.  It's possible the dunes are too high there for an ideal golf course.

The other location I can think of is as you are crossing the bridge into Dornoch (on A9 I think).  I'm not sure there is enough land there for a golf course, though.  When I think of "links land" that is the picture I have in my mind.

Bryan

David_Tepper

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2013, 12:16:56 PM »
"The other location I can think of is as you are crossing the bridge into Dornoch (on A9 I think)."

Bryan Lewis -

I know the spot you are thinking of very well. Yes, there is some nice links land there. The Carnegie Club/Skibo Castle course is only a couple of hundred yards along the shoreline to the west of the A9 bridge across the Dornoch Firth.

There is also a ton of links land north of Embo (the village 3 miles north of Dornoch) up to Loch Fleet and then on the north side of Loch Fleet all the way up to the Golspie course.

DT
 

Garland Bayley

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2013, 12:33:49 PM »
Indian reservation land on the west coast. I think it would make a great sand based golf course.

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Bryan Lewis

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2013, 12:57:39 PM »
"The other location I can think of is as you are crossing the bridge into Dornoch (on A9 I think)."

I know the spot you are thinking of very well. Yes, there is some nice links land there. The Carnegie Club/Skibo Castle course is only a couple of hundred yards along the shoreline to the west of the A9 bridge across the Dornoch Firth.

David,

I did not know there was a course there!  Is it visible from A9?  Is it on links land?

Bryan

Bryan Lewis

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2013, 01:10:47 PM »
"The other location I can think of is as you are crossing the bridge into Dornoch (on A9 I think)."

I know the spot you are thinking of very well. Yes, there is some nice links land there. The Carnegie Club/Skibo Castle course is only a couple of hundred yards along the shoreline to the west of the A9 bridge across the Dornoch Firth.

David,

I did not know there was a course there!  Is it visible from A9?  Is it on links land?

Bryan


It wasn't hard for me to find answers my own questions...

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/courses-by-country/scotland/skibo-golf-course/

Bryan

David_Tepper

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Re: Please turn me into a golf course!!
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2013, 01:14:42 PM »
Bryan L. -

I don't know when the Skibo piece here on gca.com was done. A number of the holes on the Skibo course have been changed over the past 3-4 years.

The head greenskeeper at Skibo does post here every once in a while.

DT

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