[Mark Bourgeois]

http://golfcoursehistories.com/TOC11.html

Note: the original images did not share precisely the same POV or focal length. In order to align the bunker and hump in front of the green, the original images were purposely distorted.

[Jeb Bearer]

Looking at the horizon line, it doesn't seem to have been noticeably lowered. Am I missing something? Was this particular change not as bad as I feared it would be?

[Neil White]

Jeb,

I don't think the change had a great deal to do with the top line of the ground at the rear of the green - rather they have softened the gradient within the green.

This is most noticeable in line with the bushes in the centre of the picture where the yellow flags are and also above the left hand green side bunker where the slope of the rear of the bunker appears to be reduced.

Neil.

[Jeb Bearer]

Neil, I see it now, especially above the bunker! They seem to have taken a good six inches or more of that slope. Can we still call it "Hill" Bunker?

[Ally Mcintosh]

It does indeed look like that could be an area where the change is most noticeable.

But the photos don't exactly align, they haven't even finished sodding yet and the green mowing line could be playing tricks on the eye. Best to get an after when the work is actually finished and it is all reinstated.

[Mark Bourgeois]

Ally, I agree with several of your points, including the important one that the GB&I unit of Golf Course Histories need to do a comparo once the turf is all down.

Two things I note:

1) the front bunkers and hump seem to align (well, they may be off a micrometer here and there) as does the rear topline. So maybe what we see isn't distortion but reality?
2) the seeming discoloration of the green to the left of Strath bunker may actually be a changed slope. Pictures taken earlier, when the sod was completely stripped, show that area was being regraded. The size of the dirt mounds suggests that interpretation as well.

Wish they would share the actual plan; as long as they do not, we never will be able to get past speculation -- pics taken by amateurs plus technologies like this may be all you / we ever are 'given'. The interpretations of you professionals, as always, are especially valuable.

[Ally Mcintosh]

Ally, I agree with several of your points, including the important one that the GB&I unit of Golf Course Histories need to do a comparo once the turf is all down.

Two things I note:

1) the front bunkers and hump seem to align (well, they may be off a micrometer here and there) as does the rear topline. So maybe what we see isn't distortion but reality?
2) the seeming discoloration of the green to the left of Strath bunker may actually be a changed slope. Pictures taken earlier, when the sod was completely stripped, show that area was being regraded. The size of the dirt mounds suggests that interpretation as well.

Wish they would share the actual plan; as long as they do not, we never will be able to get past speculation -- pics taken by amateurs plus technologies like this may be all you / we ever are 'given'. The interpretations of you professionals, as always, are especially valuable.

Don't disagree that it may indeed be reality (although note the posts at the back don't align) but it's very easy to get deceived with construction photos.... the area is definietly getting regraded - we know that... But if it's the photo I'm thinking of, that was merely a stockpile of topsoil that was ready to be put back down again.

[Neil White]

Ally,

It is easy to get deceived by the photos but I see little reason for them to remove sod from the top / rear of the bunker unless they are attempting to tie the slope in better with the changes they have made on the green.  If they kept the top of the bunker 'as was' then that would exaggerate the slope leading from the bunker onto the softened green - effectively making it too steep and possibly unfair.

If anything the most noticeable change other than the softening of the green will be the increase in the gradient of the slope at the rear of the green (leading up to the top line at the rear of the green) caused by the flattening of the green - effectively the opposite of what they have done by tying in the bunker.



Neil.

[Ally Mcintosh]

Agreed Neil.

Although note they removed sod at the roll-over on the back of the green too... Still for tying in purposes I suspect, even if they didn't lower the topline by much / at all.

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