[Mike Hendren]

with the potential of a lost ball and two strokes penalty, why can't he challenge the golfer to play beneath a tree canopy with no lost ball and a potential one penalty?

Disclosure:  in my dreamm last night I drove it straight down the middle off the first tee in my initial first match of the U. S. Amateur only to be confronted from 65 yards out - yes I looked at the sprinkler head, with two of the biggest oak trees you'll ever see.

Bogey

[John Kavanaugh]

Always nice to see a 300 yd opening par 4. Personally I love hitting around, over or under trees.

[cary lichtenstein]

The 17th hole at the Mission Inn in Howy-in-the-Hills is the very, very best example in a par5 of that twice. Great hole

[Ronald Montesano]

We will have to take you to Delaware Park in Buffalo during your tour of upstate New York. You'll find plenty of canopy fun.

I would say that this is fair, as long as the hazard is not doubled (sand) or tripled (sand and water) along the way. There has to be a clear and present avenue to the putting surface for the canopy hazard to work. As you suggest it, there is no avoiding it. If the architect/owner are pricks and want a triple hazard, it wouldn't work.

[Peter Pallotta]

Indeed, Bogey.

In fact, I'd venture to say that an architect "can do" whatever the heck he/she wants, as a right and priviledge of the position.

We in turn are free, in the playing, to choose how we handle potential hazards and mitigate the penalities, and post-playing, to grumble and mumble to our hearts content.

But as the saying goes, harbouring bitterness is like drinking a cup of poison and expecting the other person to die.  

Hope you're enjoying your Darwin today....err, I mean, I hope that hypothetical chap you posited is enjoying the scenario you had imagined.

Peter

[John Kirk]

Some trees are better than others for golf.

Many years ago I would occasionally drive up to Marysville, California, about an hour north of Sacramento, to play Plumas Lake G&CC.  Hardly anybody has heard of it these days, but it used to be recommended as a top 10 public course by Golf Digest, when price was a consideration.

The ninth hole at Plumas Lake is about 350 yards long.  It's been at least 25 years since I've played it, but it felt like you were playing through a mature oak grove.  In fact, a couple of the trees that used to be there might be gone, judging by the club's description.



I love oak trees in general, and think they make an ideal golf tree.  I think it must be tricky to preserve them when building a course.

[David Davis]

Did someone mention trees? When I hear trees my internal wikipedia flashes Sahalee, and will do so most likely till the end of my days.

[Anders Rytter]

I think this hole works well, out of the ordinary and cool matchplay hole.
From my photo-thing of Royal Copenhagen golf club on here

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Hole 3. second par 4 and second blind drive.

The tee shot is really interesting (atleast 2nd time you play the course). left side of the green is covered by a very big Oak and shorts that are both long and left have no shot to the green unless you try and hit it under the oak. if you are just left the 2nd short is blind but makeable.



2nd blind drive, aim just left of the Eremitage Palace seen in the background.the oak guarding the green can also be seen. a slightly greedy tee-shot....


... will reach the slope and very likely kick both left and forward, towards the no-go part of the fairway.


Right of the green the fairway is very bumpy, i assume a lot of people have to bounce their seccond short in from here, comming out of the right rough if too fearful of the oak from the tee


I recall these contours beeing more pronounced, might be the light.

[Ronald Montesano]

It's the flattening effect of photography.

[Dan Herrmann]

Michael Herndon - I'd suggest a trip to a shrink right away - that's a dream that seems to be seething with symbolism

[Carl Johnson]

Michael, many of us have these dreams.  However, I've never been moved to contemplate a design that I dream about - rather, to destroy it.  If you haven't already done so, you might want to read John Updike's little essay "Golf Dreams," which is reprinted in a little compliation of golf writings by Updike entitled: "Golf Dreams: Writings on Golf."

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