DETROIT: Tigers, Beer, Birmingham CC & Franklin Hills

[Sean_A]

Berg

I have been told the centre of Royal Oak is pretty hip.  I haven't been there in years since the days when the Music Theatre was reopened for concerts...I recall seeing The Pretenders there in 1981...I was in high school...heavy sigh.  But RCT is not in the centre...its in an unattractive burb location...could be bloody Lincoln Park or any number of unassuming locals on main trunk roads such as Telegraph or Fort.  I think Ben's fears of being over-run by hipsters is a bit of paranoia on the loose 

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Sean,

    I'm just giving a downriver guy a hard time.  There is a good chance of being run over by hipsters, but RCT is out of the central hub.  Taylor and Biewala and I will be heading to RTC in RO sometime in the near future. (bucket list)

To be fair, I like a good burger, but I am not ever going to too excited by one....its not the sort of food I go out of my way for....but I will go well out of my way for Lafeyette    I know, its loopy, but there you have it. 

Hipster?  I wouldn't know a real hipster if I saw one.  Folks is folks....I don't much worry about the labels.

Ciao

[Ryan Taylor]

Cool to see the discussion about Red Coat Tavern, Royal Oak, etc., pop up on the board. I'm new to the area (just moved here from Chicago), and had dinner at the OG Red Coat last night. Definitely the best burger I've tried in my limited time here. Still need to get over to AA and try Zingerman's!

Jon, Welcome to RO.  I live off Lincoln. Are you a beer drinker? River Rouge Brewing on 4th has a great stout. Cheesy name but good beer. Let me know if want to grab a drink sometime. A lot of good private golf around the area. The same cannot be said about our public golf options!

[Mike Schott]

Cool to see the discussion about Red Coat Tavern, Royal Oak, etc., pop up on the board. I'm new to the area (just moved here from Chicago), and had dinner at the OG Red Coat last night. Definitely the best burger I've tried in my limited time here. Still need to get over to AA and try Zingerman's!

Jon, Welcome to RO.  I live off Lincoln. Are you a beer drinker? River Rouge Brewing on 4th has a great stout. Cheesy name but good beer. Let me know if want to grab a drink sometime. A lot of good private golf around the area. The same cannot be said about our public golf options!

I guess the quality of the public golf in our area depends on your standards. Of course no muni or public course is the equal to OHCC, OLCC, Franklin Hills and the like but there is a lot of affordable good golf in the Metro Detroit area. Much better than most metro areas.

[Jeff Bergeron]

Cool to see the discussion about Red Coat Tavern, Royal Oak, etc., pop up on the board. I'm new to the area (just moved here from Chicago), and had dinner at the OG Red Coat last night. Definitely the best burger I've tried in my limited time here. Still need to get over to AA and try Zingerman's!

Jon, Welcome to RO.  I live off Lincoln. Are you a beer drinker? River Rouge Brewing on 4th has a great stout. Cheesy name but good beer. Let me know if want to grab a drink sometime. A lot of good private golf around the area. The same cannot be said about our public golf options!

I guess the quality of the public golf in our area depends on your standards. Of course no muni or public course is the equal to OHCC, OLCC, Franklin Hills and the like but there is a lot of affordable good golf in the Metro Detroit area. Much better than most metro areas.

I would add to this that there is a lot of private club golf in Metro Detroit that is very affordable, especially for juniors (and this is liberally defined as under 40 in most cases). Western G&CC, Grosse Isle CC, Detroit GC and Plum Hollow are all in less desirable neighborhoods but on great pieces of land. Three are Donald Ross designs and all are 'players' clubs. Western being my personal favorite.

[Ryan Taylor]

I guess the quality of the public golf in our area depends on your standards. Of course no muni or public course is the equal to OHCC, OLCC, Franklin Hills and the like but there is a lot of affordable good golf in the Metro Detroit area. Much better than most metro areas.

If you consider AA Metro Detroit, I would agree with you. If you exclude AA, I would disagree with you! (AA is very difficult to get to during the week from eastern Oakland County) Cleveland for example has much better public options.

[Mike Schott]

I guess the quality of the public golf in our area depends on your standards. Of course no muni or public course is the equal to OHCC, OLCC, Franklin Hills and the like but there is a lot of affordable good golf in the Metro Detroit area. Much better than most metro areas.

If you consider AA Metro Detroit, I would agree with you. If you exclude AA, I would disagree with you! (AA is very difficult to get to during the week from eastern Oakland County) Cleveland for example has much better public options.

What tracks in AA other than Leslie Park do you consider nice? U of M does not count. It's not public. I've played most of the Cleveland area muni's. I'm guessing you are considering courses designed by Ross like Manikiki. I haven't played it in years and it's on a great property but it and Sleepy Hollow are the class of the public courses in my memory. I can't think of others that I know of that are that good. The Detroit Metro area has many very good courses and in general far more public courses than the metro Cleveland area. By the way I live in Farmington Hills and have no problem driving 45-60 minuted to play a good course. So Ann Arbor and even Pierce Lake are included.

[Sean_A]

UofM is now public...the pricing is prohibitive, but its public.


http://umgolfcourse.umich.edu/?page_id=19


Ciao

[BCowan]

I guess the quality of the public golf in our area depends on your standards. Of course no muni or public course is the equal to OHCC, OLCC, Franklin Hills and the like but there is a lot of affordable good golf in the Metro Detroit area. Much better than most metro areas.

If you consider AA Metro Detroit, I would agree with you. If you exclude AA, I would disagree with you! (AA is very difficult to get to during the week from eastern Oakland County) Cleveland for example has much better public options.

Taylor,

    You are spot on, Cleveland has Fowlers Mill.  Indy, SW MI (Grand Rapids), Chicago blow SE MI public golf out of the water.  Roseland Park in Windsor is excellent.  Metro Detroit is better then Toledo and prob on par with Columbus.  We ain't just talking about muni's, he said public courses.  Washtenaw is now public so things are looking good for SE MI. 

[Mike Schott]

I guess the quality of the public golf in our area depends on your standards. Of course no muni or public course is the equal to OHCC, OLCC, Franklin Hills and the like but there is a lot of affordable good golf in the Metro Detroit area. Much better than most metro areas.

If you consider AA Metro Detroit, I would agree with you. If you exclude AA, I would disagree with you! (AA is very difficult to get to during the week from eastern Oakland County) Cleveland for example has much better public options.

Taylor,

    You are spot on, Cleveland has Fowlers Mill.  Indy, SW MI (Grand Rapids), Chicago blow SE MI public golf out of the water.  Roseland Park in Windsor is excellent.  Metro Detroit is better then Toledo and prob on par with Columbus.  We ain't just talking about muni's, he said public courses.  Washtenaw is now public so things are looking good for SE MI.

I didn't know Washtenaw has become public. Interesting. What Metro Detroit public tracks have you played?

[BCowan]

Roseland Park (windsor)
Pierce Lake
Fox Hills
Leslie park
Shepards hollow
Farmington
Huron Hills
stonebridge
Rackham
northville hills
fieldstone
moose ridge
ann arbor country club
Calderstone
eagle ridge
huron meadows
Hilltop

[Howard Riefs]

Roseland Park (windsor)
Pierce Lake
Fox Hills
Leslie park
Shepards hollow
Farmington
Huron Hills
stonebridge
Rackham
northville hills
fieldstone
moose ridge
ann arbor country club
Calderstone
eagle ridge
huron meadows
Hilltop

You forgot Radrick

[BCowan]

Howard,

   Ur still using old tired lines, don't u have any new material?  I guess we should be thankful that you took time away from posting Matty G reviews and news for the umpteenth time 

[Mike Schott]

Roseland Park (windsor)
Pierce Lake
Fox Hills
Leslie park
Shepards hollow
Farmington
Huron Hills
stonebridge
Rackham
northville hills
fieldstone
moose ridge
ann arbor country club
Calderstone
eagle ridge
huron meadows
Hilltop

Thanks. There are some pretty nice courses on that list. You need to see Dunham Hills, Rouge Park and Timber Trace (Pinckney) among others. For $32.00 Farmington is a bargain.

[BCowan]

Mike,

I'll check those out, Dunham is high on my list.  Idyl wyld is on my list due to a nice pub attached.  Need to see post reno of Roseland park, drinking Canadian beer with the locals and hearing them swear with their accents is worth any greens fee.  Used to drive up from toledo to play that course many times. 

[Mike Schott]

UofM is now public...the pricing is prohibitive, but its public.


http://umgolfcourse.umich.edu/?page_id=19

That's not my definition of public. That's paying for access. But if I was as avid a golfer as I once was and lived closer to AA I'd consider the investment.
Ciao

[Mike Schott]

Mike,

I'll check those out, Dunham is high on my list.  Idyl wyld is on my list due to a nice pub attached.  Need to see post reno of Roseland park, drinking Canadian beer with the locals and hearing them swear with their accents is worth any greens fee.  Used to drive up from toledo to play that course many times.

Wear a hard hat if you play Idyl Wyld. The pub is definitely the attraction.

[Dan Ackerberg]

I hear what you are saying about ambiance and agree, I personally enjoy dives.  Zingerman's is the most overrated tourist traps in Ann Arbor.  The Roadhouse breakfast is the best in town IMO, but dinner is on par with the deli (horrible).

There goes what credibility you had left.  Overpriced, yes, but horrible......come on man.

I live a couple of blocks from Zingermans deli.  I wouldn't go so far to say it's horrible in general, but I'm not super impressed and you gotta wonder how they came up with some of the things they serve (e.g. the cream cheese, the Montreal smoked meat - for the latter how can they ruin something that is so incredibly good ?$#*&@# - have they ever been to Schwartz's in Montreal?). 


At both the Deli and the Roadhouse, the menus look great - it's just that the descriptions of the items on the menu far overwhelm how they actually taste.   That said, the bread is really good when fresh (and I don't normally like bread) and I love the sweet potato fries at the Roadhouse.

[Sean_A]

UofM is now public...the pricing is prohibitive, but its public.


http://umgolfcourse.umich.edu/?page_id=19

That's not my definition of public. That's paying for access. But if I was as avid a golfer as I once was and lived closer to AA I'd consider the investment.
Ciao

Hmmm, so if it cost $25 for access, would that be public?


I reckon the Ann Arbor area is better quliaty for public golf than Metro Detroit.  But it would seem the smaller Detroit gets, the larger Metro Detroit becomes 


Ciao

[Mike Schott]

UofM is now public...the pricing is prohibitive, but its public.


http://umgolfcourse.umich.edu/?page_id=19

That's not my definition of public. That's paying for access. But if I was as avid a golfer as I once was and lived closer to AA I'd consider the investment.
Ciao

Hmmm, so if it cost $25 for access, would that be public?


I reckon the Ann Arbor area is better quliaty for public golf than Metro Detroit.  But it would seem the smaller Detroit gets, the larger Metro Detroit becomes 


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But that's a moot point because there are no courses that ask for a yearly contribution of $25.00 for access. In the same vein if the yearly contribution was $5000.00 does that make it public?

[Sean_A]

Mike


I don't really know what you mean.  There is a fee for non-affiliated people.  That fee is the same each time you play...its not a one-off payment. In other words, pay and play...that is the very definition of public.


Ciao

[Mike Schott]

Mike


I don't really know what you mean.  There is a fee for non-affiliated people.  That fee is the same each time you play...its not a one-off payment. In other words, pay and play...that is the very definition of public.


Ciao

My mistake. I didn't scroll far enough down the page. I only saw the $500.00 annual contribution level. You are correct.  Most definitely a public course if you can afford the green fees.

[Sean_A]

I never understood why the public (at least state residents) weren't allowed to play a state university course. The pricing model is very similar to the UK model of charging the general public far more than affiliated guests.  [/font]
I guess the new Big Ten tv contract is going to pay for the new clubhouse     I wonder how many facilities are unnecessarily upgraded because as non profit organizations universities have to spend the money football teams rake in.  With these new huge contracts cranking up, is it going to become rather obvious that universities have become for profit organizations and that eventually sport players will get paid? 

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[Jon Wiggett]

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[BCowan]

I never understood why the public (at least state residents) weren't allowed to play a state university course. The pricing model is very similar to the UK model of charging the general public far more than affiliated guests.  I guess the new Big Ten tv contract is going to pay for the new clubhouse     I wonder how many facilities are unnecessarily upgraded because as non profit organizations universities have to spend the money football teams rake in.  With these new huge contracts cranking up, is it going to become rather obvious that universities have become for profit organizations and that eventually sport players will get paid? 

Ciao

Sean,

    One of the reasons they built a new clubhouse is because the basement was a swimming pool after a heavy rain.  Of course they are building a large one due to the location next to the Big house.  It's not any different then CC's building massive clubhouses that lose money and bigger is always better most think.  I doubt it has little to do with Big 10 network, but the network contract keeps other sports funded.  UofM is and always will be a cash cow.  When Gov't took over college loans, enrollment went up across the country.  I am glad that Ward is now the AD, I played with him the first time I played Radrick when he was i think asst AD.

    We really don't need a debate on here about paying college athletes. 

PS- I was really impressed with Maize and Blue deli in downtown (NY Pastrami #21) was most excellent. 

[Sean_A]

...In other news...it looks like Monroe G&CC has gone public while still offering memberships.


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