[Bill_McBride]

50% of this household has successfully managed to extract themselves early from the working population pool. I believe they fill their day with golf, shopping and general socialising.
Jealous, moi? Non!
Not much that is.
Roll on, 2026.
Feck, i might be deid by then...
F.

80 is the new 65. 

[Garland Bayley]

...
They didn't call it 'THE OPEN' because of where it is but rather because of what it is!!!

Jon

Yes, it is THE OPEN THAT WAS RESCUED FROM OBSCURITY BY ARNOLD PALMER AND OTHER AMERICAN GOLF PROS.
 

[Mark Chaplin]

Garland - typical rubbish. Professional golf as a whole was developed by Palmer, Nicklaus, Player and co. You'll notice one of those fellas isn't American either.

[Sean Leary]

Garland - typical rubbish. Professional golf as a whole was developed by Palmer, Nicklaus, Player and co. You'll notice one of those fellas isn't American either.

That isn't what Garland said. Perhaps ( or maybe even likely) the Open would have regained its stature but Palmer generally gets the credit for its revival, no?

[Jon Wiggett]

...
They didn't call it 'THE OPEN' because of where it is but rather because of what it is!!!

Jon

Yes, it is THE OPEN THAT WAS RESCUED FROM OBSCURITY BY ARNOLD PALMER AND OTHER AMERICAN GOLF PROS.
 

Garland,

and that is relevent to what?

Sean,

what does that have to do with the name?

[Tim Martin]

50% of this household has successfully managed to extract themselves early from the working population pool. I believe they fill their day with golf, shopping and general socialising.
Jealous, moi? Non!
Not much that is.
Roll on, 2026.
Feck, i might be deid by then...
F.

80 is the new 65. 

80 is 80.

[Wayne_Kozun]

That isn't what Garland said. Perhaps ( or maybe even likely) the Open would have regained its stature but Palmer generally gets the credit for its revival, no?

Revival from what?  In the 15 years before Palmer's 61 victory The Open was won by both Hogan and Snead.  The only truly great American golfer not to have won is Byron Nelson, but I don't know if he ever played the event.  In the previous generation to that Hagen, Sarazen and Jones all won, despite the lack of PJs (private jets).

And was it really rescued by Palmer or by the technology of commercial jet aviation which made it much easier to fly from America to the UK.

[Sean Leary]

How many Opens did Hogan play in again?


Jon W is right in that these posts have nothing to do with the subject and I hate agreeing with Garland so nevermind. .
 

[Bill_McBride]

50% of this household has successfully managed to extract themselves early from the working population pool. I believe they fill their day with golf, shopping and general socialising.
Jealous, moi? Non!
Not much that is.
Roll on, 2026.
Feck, i might be deid by then...
F.

80 is the new 65. 

80 is 80.

Stick around!

[Tommy Williamsen]

I will be retiring in two years.  We have a house I the VA mts that will be our home base.  I would like to spend two months a year in Devon.  I fell in love with Devon and Cornwall years ago.  There are good overseas memberships that would afford us places to play.  Even though it is more  crowded in July and August, I would opt to go then.  I have often thought of going full time but need to be closer to my grandchildren in MN.

[Doug Siebert]

Britain sounds awesome although the low marks for the food is a problem.

That sounds like a good thing to look for a place to retire to.  Easier to avoid putting on weight in your old age if the food sucks

[Stan Dodd]

Thought I might chime in...
I am in my 3rd year of retirement from public education.  I have spent the past 3 summers in Dornoch.  We arrive in April and leave in October.  We do this on a meager retirement pension.  It is possible due to the reasonablly priced membership of Uk golf clubs.  I belong to Dornoch as well as Golspie and my golf costs are less than a round at Pebble and Spyglass combined.  We stay in the same flat each year and do not keep an auto while we are in Scotland.  We use the bus and train to get a round as well as the kindness of friends.  I play other courses by taking advantage of the low priced Open tournaments.  You can just about play a Senior Open once or twice a week throughout the summer.  Our landlord allows us to keep some items in storage such as my golf clubs, trolley, weather gear and my bicycle.  We travel with just a suitcase and carry on. 
I play a full slate of golf including most of the Dornoch club comps, including season long knockouts and open events.  I have played 85 rounds since arriving on April 23rd.  Through Dornoch club and senior events I have pllayed at Gleneagles, Boat, moray, Nairn and a host of others.
My wife is involved with the lawn bowling, garden club , a walking group and exercise classes.  She also tends the garden in our flat.
We have made great friends, through this wonderful game .  And hope to do this for a few more years.  We have no grandkids which helps.
We do miss our children but through skype and a cheap phone card we stay in touch.
In October we return to Hawaii, which is our primary residence, though we have spent more time in Scotland the past 3 years than anywhere.
I play out of Hilo Muni  which a s senior resident cost me $35 a month plus #1  per round.  It is not great but when you can play Dornoch the rest of the year I can manage. 
We are not posh and live simply and do so on  a budget.  We do not own a home any where so that helps.  The concern is health care.  We purchase a travelers policy while abroad, thankfully we have not had to use it, fingers crossed.
If any one is interested I would be happy to share details.  Just IM.
cheers
Stan

[David_Tepper]

The 10 best cities in the U.S. to retire on $100 a day:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-best-u-s--cities-for-retiring-on--100-a-day-20120720.html

[Greg Beaulieu]

Don't wait for retirement, arthritics has wrecked havoc with my body, latest is a wrist replacement.

Yikes! Best of luck with that. But I can relate. I am perhaps a year from retirement and between needing a knee replacement, various lower back issues, and a sternum that may or may not require surgery, golf is now a challenge in a way it never was before. Enjoy it while you can because you never know when you no longer can.

[Steve_ Shaffer]

My wife and I recently decided to move to Pebble Creek,an "active adult" community in the West Valley of metro PHX in Goodyear, AZ and leave Philadelphia. We rented in this community for 3 winters and got to know many people here and finally decided to "take the plunge." We actually like the weather here and decided to escape those hazy,hot and humid summer days in Philly for just hot summer days...plus no snow or ice and very little rain and, of course, those prime weather months of January to June and  September(overseeding month) to December. Usually, December & January are cooler during the day (mid 60s) and colder at night (mid 30s to 40s)
The community is gated with 2 clubhouses,2 fitness centers, 2 outdoor pools, 1 indoor pool, about 20 tennis courts,bocce courts, Pickleball courts, 45 holes of golf with 9 more on the way and lots of activities. The most important factor was that the people here are ultra friendly.
Since we're both golfers, the cost of golf was a factor. There are no initiation fees here. Basically, one buys a debit card:
http://www.pebblecreekhoa.org/picture/golf_fees_2012.pdf
Also, there are no "trail fees" for those who buy their own golf cart. Walking is permitted at any time but not many do.
Nearby is the Wigwam Resort with its 3 classic golf courses and good restaurants. Also nearby are Raven at Verrado and GC at Estrella,2 quality courses. There are many other courses nearby as well- Hillcrest, Falcon Dunes at Luke AFB, Trilogy at Vistancia,Coldwater(Forrest Richardson) and Tres Rios(Red Lawrence) plus the 4 courses at Sun City Grand, the 5 courses at Sun City West and the 4 or more courses at the original Sun City. Blackstone(Engh) although private usually has SWPGA Pass day. Quintero is a little bit farther out but is doable but pricey.
We're about a half hour to the airport and downtown PHX via freeway and about 45 minutes to Scottsdale.
What I like about the courses here at Pebble Creek is that they are "senior friendly"- no tree lined fairways, just a few forced carries and not too difficult greens. Here are the numbers from the Blues:
Tuscany Falls(27 holes)
Falls/Palms about 6200y 67.7/119
Palms/Lakes about 6300y 68.6/124
Lakes/Falls about 6100y  67.5/120

Eagle's Nest(18 holes)
6150y 69.0/119

This past winter I had 2 nines that added up to a 72. Unfortunately, they were not on the same day.

There are forward tees for the older guys and back tees for those single digit guys.

I will miss the classic courses of the Philly area but we felt it was time for a change to "The Valley of the Sun." I will return to spectate at Merion next June and will probably be  resident at the NJ shore during August so "I Shall Return."

[BigEdSC]

I really like Stan's description of retirement.

I've got roughly a year and a half until I can retire.  We are currentlly living (rentling) in Jax.  We have two properties in Charleston, our home that we are renting out, and a summer rental condo.  Once I retire, we will kind of be "homeless."  After reading Stan's take, I presented a scenario to the wife where we spend May through August in possibly Ireland or Scotland travellling.  She green lighted it.  The proposal, we establish a base for those four months, and possibly take a part-time job, if worst comes to worst.

Any suggestions to where would be a good spot?  I've been to Ireland 3 times and Scotland twice for 2 weeks on each occasion.  My first spot was around St. Andrews.  School there would be out, and they maybe need seasonal help.  It seems relatively close to Edinburgh as far as travels.

Suggestions welcomed.

[Bill_McBride]

I really like Stan's description of retirement.

I've got roughly a year and a half until I can retire.  We are currentlly living (rentling) in Jax.  We have two properties in Charleston, our home that we are renting out, and a summer rental condo.  Once I retire, we will kind of be "homeless."  After reading Stan's take, I presented a scenario to the wife where we spend May through August in possibly Ireland or Scotland travellling.  She green lighted it.  The proposal, we establish a base for those four months, and possibly take a part-time job, if worst comes to worst.

Any suggestions to where would be a good spot?  I've been to Ireland 3 times and Scotland twice for 2 weeks on each occasion.  My first spot was around St. Andrews.  School there would be out, and they maybe need seasonal help.  It seems relatively close to Edinburgh as far as travels.

Suggestions welcomed.

Ed, you might want to consider SE England.  Nicer weather, close to London, very reasonable overseas memberships at great clubs like Deal and Littlestone.  Craig Disher has been doing for several years. 

[BigEdSC]

Bill
I'll keep it in mind.  Thanks.

[Matthew Petersen]

My wife and I recently decided to move to Pebble Creek,an "active adult" community in the West Valley of metro PHX in Goodyear, AZ and leave Philadelphia. We rented in this community for 3 winters and got to know many people here and finally decided to "take the plunge." We actually like the weather here and decided to escape those hazy,hot and humid summer days in Philly for just hot summer days...plus no snow or ice and very little rain and, of course, those prime weather months of January to June and  September(overseeding month) to December. Usually, December & January are cooler during the day (mid 60s) and colder at night (mid 30s to 40s)
The community is gated with 2 clubhouses,2 fitness centers, 2 outdoor pools, 1 indoor pool, about 20 tennis courts,bocce courts, Pickleball courts, 45 holes of golf with 9 more on the way and lots of activities. The most important factor was that the people here are ultra friendly.
Since we're both golfers, the cost of golf was a factor. There are no initiation fees here. Basically, one buys a debit card:
http://www.pebblecreekhoa.org/picture/golf_fees_2012.pdf
Also, there are no "trail fees" for those who buy their own golf cart. Walking is permitted at any time but not many do.
Nearby is the Wigwam Resort with its 3 classic golf courses and good restaurants. Also nearby are Raven at Verrado and GC at Estrella,2 quality courses. There are many other courses nearby as well- Hillcrest, Falcon Dunes at Luke AFB, Trilogy at Vistancia,Coldwater(Forrest Richardson) and Tres Rios(Red Lawrence) plus the 4 courses at Sun City Grand, the 5 courses at Sun City West and the 4 or more courses at the original Sun City. Blackstone(Engh) although private usually has SWPGA Pass day. Quintero is a little bit farther out but is doable but pricey.
We're about a half hour to the airport and downtown PHX via freeway and about 45 minutes to Scottsdale.
What I like about the courses here at Pebble Creek is that they are "senior friendly"- no tree lined fairways, just a few forced carries and not too difficult greens. Here are the numbers from the Blues:
Tuscany Falls(27 holes)
Falls/Palms about 6200y 67.7/119
Palms/Lakes about 6300y 68.6/124
Lakes/Falls about 6100y  67.5/120

Eagle's Nest(18 holes)
6150y 69.0/119

This past winter I had 2 nines that added up to a 72. Unfortunately, they were not on the same day.

There are forward tees for the older guys and back tees for those single digit guys.

I will miss the classic courses of the Philly area but we felt it was time for a change to "The Valley of the Sun." I will return to spectate at Merion next June and will probably be  resident at the NJ shore during August so "I Shall Return."

Steve,

My parents seriously considered buying in Pebble Creek, but ultimately chose Sun City Grand (they are still snowbirds, living in the Denver area for 6 months). I have to say that decision worked out for me. I'm on the north side of Phoenix and not close to them by any means, but it's still a good bit closer than the trek around the Pebble Creek. Nice community, though. I have a friend whose parents winter at Pebble Creek and in the summer he goes over to their house, takes their golf cart, and plays golf until someone kicks him off. He's invited me to join him, but I've thus far refrained.

How would you compare the Pebble Creek courses with those at Sun City Grand?

[Steve Lang]

  Steve S has the idea..

retire southern clime,.. warm year round, summer visit north to beat the heat..

for Ms Sheila and It'll be north side of Houston (The Woodlands) most of year (good connections anywhere) and for memorial day through labor day, northern michigan along the 45th parallel...

[Steve_ Shaffer]

Matt,

I have only played the original course at SCG,whatever it's named, years ago. I will speculate that,as a whole, they're a tad above the 45 holes at PC. I've heard the Chapparal there is the best of the bunch. PC's Lakes 9 at Tuscany Falls is probably the best here and there are flashes of interest elsewhere at Tuscany Falls & Eagles Nest.

By the way, I'm playing Raven@Verrado next week for $29!!!

Steve,

We have non golfing friends in Houston and what from they tell us there's too much rain there for us.

[ward peyronnin]

I just Wanna be Mike Whittaker when i retire

[Matthew Petersen]

Matt,

I have only played the original course at SCG,whatever it's named, years ago. I will speculate that,as a whole, they're a tad above the 45 holes at PC. I've heard the Chapparal there is the best of the bunch. PC's Lakes 9 at Tuscany Falls is probably the best here and there are flashes of interest elsewhere at Tuscany Falls & Eagles Nest.

By the way, I'm playing Raven@Verrado next week for $29!!!

Steve,

We have non golfing friends in Houston and what from they tell us there's too much rain there for us.

Guess I'm not entirely sure what the original course at Grand is. Probably Desert Springs, but I'm not sure. Cimmaron (not Chapparal?) is pretty easily the best of the 4. It's also the most recent.

Verrado is a pretty nice course, love to get out there on summer rates. I have had so many wonderful rounds there ruined on the 17th. Little devil!

[cary lichtenstein]

Retire as young as possible

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That may sound pretty simple and easy to ignore. Believe me, you can't retire too young so long as you have something to retire to.

[Steve_ Shaffer]

Matt,

I knew the better course at SCG began with a "C."


Let me know when you can play Verrado. I'm available most days.

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