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Joel Zuckerman

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2012, 06:52:27 PM »
Silver Tip outside of Calgary... I recall there was one cart ride which was in excess of five minutes, I can only imagine it would be 15 minutes minimum to walk to the next tee.   It is also a very difficult walk with tremendous elevation changes



Jonathan Mallard

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2012, 07:18:34 PM »
This is a semi-attempt to hijack this thread - but a relevant point:

Have we reached the point that we'll no longer see housing tied to golf course development? I would have to think that will encourage more walking.

David_Elvins

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2012, 07:27:13 PM »
Bart,

Any round that is a second round of the day is good in a cart for me.

Stone Eagle and PGA West was a really enjoyable 36 hole day in a cart.  I am glad I didn't walk and enjoyed both courses.
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Sean Leary

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2012, 08:03:01 PM »
Just played 6 rounds in 3 days at Prairie Dunes in 95 degree heat and never thought about walking. Its a GREAT walking course.

Some days and courses and trips are meant to be cartball.

I walk 95 percent of my overall rounds and prefer to walk generally. Most psycho walkers I know walk so that they can tell other people that they walked.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2012, 08:06:51 PM »
I love to walk to save money. The one time I did turn down a free cart was on the 14th at Bandon Trails.

Brent Hutto

Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2012, 08:14:49 PM »
I walk 95 percent of my overall rounds and prefer to walk generally. Most psycho walkers I know walk so that they can tell other people that they walked.

I had literally never set foot on a golf course until I was 33 years old. Had no idea what the game was about other than having occasionally visited my grandmother when she had the TV on with Johnny Miller or Tom Watson playing in a tournament somewhere.

As part of a brainstorming session for ways to get some physical activity instead of sitting around on the sofa all weekend, the word "golf" was on the list along with three or four other possibilities I don't recall.

Tagged along with a guy from work a couple of afternoons for nine holes and decided is was more interesting than the other types of exercise. So I got some clubs and started playing 3-4 times a week. Walking, of course. Still walking. Without the walking, it doesn't seem like golf. Feels like sitting in traffic in my car, not like physical activity.

And there I go telling everyone about it. Guess that makes me a psycho walker then.

JLahrman

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2012, 08:20:51 PM »
I walk 95 percent of my overall rounds and prefer to walk generally. Most psycho walkers I know walk so that they can tell other people that they walked.

I think you're creating a term in a circular fashion. Is a "psycho walker" somebody who likes to trumpet the fact that he only walks? If so, he can't be caught dead in a cart. I walk 95 percent of my rounds because I like to walk and I feel like I play better when I walk.

When I used to not have a TV set, half the reason was because I liked life better without it and the other half was because I enjoyed being the annoying person who likes to mention that he doesn't own a TV set. I wouldn't do that about walking golf courses though.

Melvyn Morrow

Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2012, 08:28:28 PM »
A dedicated Walker  = 100% not 75%

75% = Well not sure but certainly does not equate to my understanding of the word dedicated

But then if memory serves me correctly Tiger Woods was dedicated to his marriage and family.

Funny old world.

Cory Lewis

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2012, 08:42:32 PM »
A dedicated Walker  = 100% not 75%
One day in March 2010 I walked the Senator and Judge courses at Capital Hill on the RTJ Trail but had to take a cart for the Legislator course because after walking The Judge I felt like my legs were gonna fall off, three courses in one day, total of about 15 miles walked, but I'm not a dedicated walker?
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Kyle Harris

Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2012, 08:44:15 PM »
A dedicated Walker  = 100% not 75%
One day in March 2010 I walked the Senator and Judge courses at Capital Hill on the RTJ Trail but had to take a cart for the Legislator course because after walking The Judge I felt like my legs were gonna fall off, three courses in one day, total of about 15 miles walked, but I'm not a dedicated walker?

I forget, did we walk Allamance and Hope Valley and then ride at Governor's Club?

I think we wussed out for Tot Hill with the cart.

Then there was that day at Morgan Hill.

JLahrman

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2012, 08:49:49 PM »
A dedicated Walker  = 100% not 75%

Melvyn, if 100% is the standard, then you're not even a dedicated antagonist.

Cory Lewis

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2012, 08:53:14 PM »
I forget, did we walk Allamance and Hope Valley and then ride at Governor's Club?
Nah, we rode all 3.  It was your first time playing 54 and I wanted to make sure you made it, even then it seemed you wained a little bit on that last nine, of course that could have been the course  ;D
Then there was that day at Morgan Hill.
Did we walk Morgan Hill?  With the 37 degree weather and the 30 MPH winds my memory of that day ain't so great!
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Sean Leary

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2012, 09:13:21 PM »
Brent,

A psycho walker is someone who walks no matter what even if is an absolutely insane walk that was meant to be played only with a cart or under dangerous conditions. That doesn't sound like you, or me for that matter, despite that I almost always walk. Walking 36 at Stone eagle in 115 degree heat would fall under that category.

Brent Hutto

Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2012, 09:30:21 PM »
No, I'm probably in that category. If it's too hot to walk then it's too hot to play golf by my reckoning, with perhaps extremely rare exceptions. And if the course is too spread out or difficult to walk then it's probably not a course I really care much about playing, once again with extremely rare exceptions possible.

And I have walked some courses that where the difficulty of walking really detracted from the experience...it's always a judgment call whether putting up with brutal terrain and long distances is going to be more or less annoying than putting up with being in a cart.

That said, about once a year I do end up riding in a cart due to social obligations or because I'm in some other situation where not riding would be a big deal and I'd rather avoid causing trouble.  I'm of the opinion that playing golf while hopping on and off a cart is a knack that one must develop by practice and I've never really had the practice so it still seems to put me off my game quite a bit.

I think playing golf afoot and playing in a cart are categorically different experiences. Of a similar magnitude to the difference between doubles and single tennis. It's fundamentally the same activity and uses the same skills but the rhythm, pacing and sense of freedom involved is very different.

Mark Steffey

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2012, 09:44:40 PM »
there is a pretty highly regarded public course north of pittsburgh that has holes on the back nine built on two sides of a valley where you drive back and forth, hitting from one hill to a green on the facing next, then back, then back..  stonehill, stonewall, or something or other.  couldn't imagine walking that (i was nervous riding in the cart on the bridges back and forth even).

Jason Thurman

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2012, 10:10:09 PM »
I'll let you know tomorrow. I'm trekking out to Doug Ralston territory to play some serious cartball tracks...

The one course I've played that I wouldn't consider walking though also lies in Eastern Kentucky. Old Silo is a Graham Marsh design that probably has a ride from the 2nd green to the 3rd tee of at least 1/4 mile with a good 200+ feet of elevation change. You come back down the same cliff at 6. There are several other extreme transitions.

I know the "psycho walkers" who insist on walking no matter what, sometimes just to prove they could do it. I'm in very good shape and COULD walk Old Silo. I probably COULD walk any course. But walking the transitions at Old Silo would take a solid 15+ minutes each, and because they traverse cliffs, I'd inevitably get caught by a cart on the way up and wouldn't be able to get out of their way. That's just stupid. If I want to prove my fitness level, I try to run a really fast mile or do double-digit pullups or something...
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Sam Morrow

Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2012, 10:14:11 PM »
I walked the front 9 at Lakota Canyon, having never been at altitude and the fact that course seems to be built for a sherpa I rode the back 9. I think I also bought all the orange Gatorade in the halfway house. I haven't walked Dallas National but I think with some of those canyons it would be a brute and there would be no air flow in some of those valleys.

Pete Balzer

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2012, 10:17:12 PM »
Red Sky Ranch, both courses

David Harshbarger

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2012, 10:29:39 PM »
Is this just a way of saying that thanks to the cart, there are more by count interesting golf courses that the cart enables? That would seem like a good thing, where it fits.

Brent,  I think of your comments often when heading out to play.  Golf is exercise.  Walk.

Melvyn, I've been ranting to my wife about the Scottish gift, and how it seems golf is entwined in the culture as a recreation and healthful pastime. That's walking golf, the heart of the game. As long as that is one's anchor, taking a cart when appropriate is the right thing to do.
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Criss Titschinger

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2012, 11:08:50 PM »
I'll let you know tomorrow. I'm trekking out to Doug Ralston territory to play some serious cartball tracks...

You mean like Eagle Ridge, and it's infamous 315 yard 13th hole that drops 200 feet from tee to green? Stonecrest would be another one out there in Eastern Kentucky.

William_G

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2012, 11:19:59 PM »
I think I would have always preferred to walk even though some courses are real hikes. but given speed of play or "speed of hike"..

Koolau is definitely faster and easier in a cart but... maybe Pechanga because they have historical audio activated by cart movement which you might miss if you were walking, LOL

If it's smoking hot and humid, I'd probably be doing something else besides golf, but we don't get the humidity on the west coast

It aways cracks me up when the media says someone played a record number of rounds in a year "in a cart" 4COL!

Lately I've been kind of intrigued by speedgolf

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Mike_Trenham

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2012, 11:53:08 PM »
Dismal River fits the bill.  Terry Lavin, Are you happy I could make this about DR? ;D
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JLahrman

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2012, 12:24:24 AM »
You mean like Eagle Ridge, and it's infamous 315 yard 13th hole that drops 200 feet from tee to green? Stonecrest would be another one out there in Eastern Kentucky.

Criss, how do they compare to Shawnee Lookout?

Alex Miller

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2012, 12:25:13 AM »
I think I would have always preferred to walk even though some courses are real hikes. but given speed of play or "speed of hike"..

Koolau is definitely faster and easier in a cart but... maybe Pechanga because they have historical audio activated by cart movement which you might miss if you were walking, LOL

If it's smoking hot and humid, I'd probably be doing something else besides golf, but we don't get the humidity on the west coast

It aways cracks me up when the media says someone played a record number of rounds in a year "in a cart" 4COL!

Lately I've been kind of intrigued by speedgolf



Koolau can be walked, Pechanga however has a couple of brutal treks that make it nearly impossible. I'm sure it can be done, but even though you can walk 15-16 holes of the course, those walks would detract from the experience so much I'd imagine the cart is necessary.

Oh, and the rounds in the cart at Koolau were probably a better experience than the walking ones, if only for the fact that they are made for rain.

Andy Stamm

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Re: If you are a dedicated walker...
« Reply #49 on: May 30, 2012, 12:28:54 AM »
When I called Ko'olau they didn't allow walking. This was a while back, so I'm glad to hear that they changed that policy.

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