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Pete_Pittock

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College Golfers can play fast.
« on: April 30, 2012, 09:58:18 PM »
The Pac-12 Men's Golf championships were held this week at Trysting Tree (Bill Robinson) in Corvallis, OR. Pretty impressive field. Six of the top 13 D-1 College Teams, the #1 and #2 ranked amateurs in the world. The course played just over 7000 yards with two reachable par 4s and all par 5s reachable. The course is fairly wide open with the greens stimping at 12.5. Rain and wind on practice day softened the course slightly and brought down numerous branches. A letter from a 1992 contestant and ASU graduate was prominently displayed complimenting the layout.
    Two tee start with playing in threes with a 4:35 pace of play. Friday morning tee times starting at 8am, with a 2nd round scheduled at start at 1 pm was enough of an incentive to keep play moving briskly. Only one group was seen behind pace. Saturday was very smooth with the last starters behind ahead of pace with one exception with a late par 3 tee backup. Sunday was great with all ahead of pace until the leaders (Oregon, California, UCLA) made the turn and the tightness of the competition took over. Still the final groups finished in 4:45.
    Small fields and threesome play and a non-shotgun start are all the ingredients you need. 

   Oregon had a lead of 3-5 strokes over California most of the day, but minor mistakes and careless strokes late in the late holes took the lead down to one on the final hole and Cal sophomore Brandon Hagy nailed a 40 foot putt for birdie and playoff. Format were 5th and 6th men in the first group, 3/4 in 2nd, 1/2 in 3rd to play the 18th to settle a tie. Fifty minutes for one hole later, still tied. Off to 16 where Cal built a 1 stroke lead, then 2 through the first to groups. Oregon's Daniel Mirniecki laucnched a drive about 320, finally Hagy split the fairway at 345. A safe wedge to 20 feet, then a clinching birdie.
Remember the name, Brandon Hagy from Westwood Village, .

William_G

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2012, 10:08:03 PM »
Brandon Hagy wtf! Go Ducks! thanks Pete
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Sam Morrow

Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2012, 10:21:52 PM »
Are we now calling that fast?

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2012, 10:23:17 PM »
Sounds like good fun.
How is 4:45 fast for 3 teenagers?
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Mike Boehm

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2012, 10:32:50 PM »
Sounds like good fun.
How is 4:45 fast for 3 teenagers?

Fast might be an overstatement, but I can remember a number of high school and college tournaments with a lot smaller stakes that took a lot longer time.

Bill_McBride

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2012, 11:34:34 PM »
Go Bears!   ;D ;D

Pete_Pittock

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2012, 12:46:36 AM »
    Considering that the vast majority of college golf I have witnessed is in excess of five hours, 4:35 is fast. The final three groups were delayed by a 10 minute ruling on the 16th hole as well as a very difficult hole locations on the final two holes. If they had not been delayed by those and a conference championship, they would have met the set time, which is normal for all tournaments staged by the OGA.
    The players demonstrated that they know how to play fast enough. Unfortunatelty, their normal format is four players in a group and in excess of 100 players on the course, which is what drives up their time. There are also other forces beyond the players control which constribute to slow play in college events.
   As far as 'fast' is concerned, I'm a 4 hour man for a round of recreational golf. In this case I used fast as a comparative adverb. You can define it as you like.
  Will G -  I am OSU '67, but have to be neutral when I officiate. Privately, I hoped the Ducks would win for state pride.
Bill McB- Not suprised you chimed in.

Pete Blaisdell

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2012, 07:09:23 AM »
I'm hoping for a good pace at Riviera in a few weeks. We have an experienced crew working the checkpoint system in addition to our usual 20 man rules team . Riviera is such a special venue and we are so fortunate to have the course to conduct one of 2 or 3 great amateur Championships in the world.

I've mentioned it before but if any GCA'ers attend the Championship , PLEASE look me up and say hi. I'll be the skinny guy with glasses.

Any tips on restaurants in the area? I've been told there is one called The Palms that's supposed to be good.
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jeffwarne

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2012, 09:25:54 AM »
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My threesome played a 7100 yard course in 3:02 on Sunday, despite nobody breaking 80 and with a double bagging caddie slowing us down to boot...


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I think those college kids were trying to break 80 ;)
Double tee start means 3 hours won't happen (even if they play the front in 1 hour)

Congrats to the Pac-10 for reasonable competitive times
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Tim Gavrich

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2012, 10:05:21 AM »
4 1/2 hours for a big-time college tournament is quite good, given they're putting everything out and their coachesare toddling onto some of the greens to read their putts for them.

They're not worth too much in basketball, but watch out for those Pac-12 golfers!
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Garland Bayley

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 11:08:26 AM »
Best label this College players can play fast.....................................er than a snail's pace.
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2012, 12:00:45 PM »


My threesome played a 7100 yard course in 3:02 on Sunday, despite nobody breaking 80 and with a double bagging caddie slowing us down to boot...

I can pretty much guarantee that these very same kids will take almost 5 hours to play the very same course in 3 months.  I am considering providing complementary vomit bags to spectators induced to hurl at their pace of play.
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Stephen Davis

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2012, 01:37:35 PM »
I was at the tournament, and played the course the day before the tournament began (in a wind storm). The course was in the best condition I have seen it, which is impressive since it was flooded twice this winter. I followed a few groups, but mostly those from my Alma Mater USC. I wouldn't call their pace fast, but compared with the tour events I have been to these guys were much faster.

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2012, 02:13:48 PM »
Sadly 4:35 is fast for college golfers and beyond fast for the tour. Thanks for reporting Peter. I do not se ehow 3somes can take over 4 hours to play but they do find 5 hours more often than not.

jeffwarne

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2012, 02:16:36 PM »
Sadly 4:35 is fast for college golfers and beyond fast for the tour. Thanks for reporting Peter. I do not se ehow 3somes can take over 4 hours to play but they do find 5 hours more often than not.

Evidently the last GCA event I played must've had a college event out ahead of them ;) ;)
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Kalen Braley

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2012, 02:25:31 PM »
I'm sorry, but I just can't swallow this.

Giving Kudos to these guys for playing a round, which was only a threesome, in 4:35 is a joke.

That's still horrifically slow for a group of guys who have mad game and are rarely looking for lost balls, never play foozled 2nd shots from the womens tees, or are 3 jacking every other hole.

Whats next?  Congratulating Paris Hilton for crawling out of bed before 9 AM?

4:35 is still lame.

jeffwarne

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2012, 02:32:57 PM »
I'm sorry, but I just can't swallow this.

Giving Kudos to these guys for playing a round, which was only a threesome, in 4:35 is a joke.

That's still horrifically slow for a group of guys who have mad game and are rarely looking for lost balls, never play foozled 2nd shots from the womens tees, or are 3 jacking every other hole.

Whats next?  Congratulating Paris Hilton for crawling out of bed before 9 AM?

4:35 is still lame.

Not defending slow play but.....
go out to your Club Championship's STROKE play qualifier
then get back to us.

two tee start makes it impossible for early groups to set a blazing start as they can only finish when group in front does,REGARDLESS of how fast they play the front..

Oh and these guys aren't allowed to play by themselves....
so no need for someone to post about the round they played in 23 minutes last Thursday ;D
« Last Edit: May 01, 2012, 02:45:15 PM by jeffwarne »
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Pete_Pittock

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2012, 02:50:43 PM »
I'm sorry, but I just can't swallow this.

Giving Kudos to these guys for playing a round, which was only a threesome, in 4:35 is a joke.

That's still horrifically slow for a group of guys who have mad game and are rarely looking for lost balls, never play foozled 2nd shots from the womens tees, or are 3 jacking every other hole.

Whats next?  Congratulating Paris Hilton for crawling out of bed before 9 AM?

4:35 is still lame.

Not defending slow play but.....
go out to your Club Championship's STROKE play qualifier
then get back to us.

two tee start makes it impossible for early groups to set a blazing start as they can only finish when group in front does,REGARDLESS of how fast they play the front..

Oh and these guys aren't allowed to play by themselves....

Absolutely right. No matter what pace the 1st group off of #1 does on the front tee, the earlyliest they could have hit their tee shots on #10 was after 1:58. If the last group off of #10 (immediately in front of them) plays exactly on the pace of play, the earliest they could hit approaches to #18 is at 4:13 into the round. So anything faster than 4:20 in extremely unlikely.
The way the players handled it was the first person putting out would proceed to the next tee and only hit after the group had holed out. This is lwithin the rules.

jeffwarne

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2012, 02:57:04 PM »
I'm sorry, but I just can't swallow this.

Giving Kudos to these guys for playing a round, which was only a threesome, in 4:35 is a joke.

That's still horrifically slow for a group of guys who have mad game and are rarely looking for lost balls, never play foozled 2nd shots from the womens tees, or are 3 jacking every other hole.

Whats next?  Congratulating Paris Hilton for crawling out of bed before 9 AM?

4:35 is still lame.

Not defending slow play but.....
go out to your Club Championship's STROKE play qualifier
then get back to us.

two tee start makes it impossible for early groups to set a blazing start as they can only finish when group in front does,REGARDLESS of how fast they play the front..

Oh and these guys aren't allowed to play by themselves....

Absolutely right. No matter what pace the 1st group off of #1 does on the front tee, the earlyliest they could have hit their tee shots on #10 was after 1:58. If the last group off of #10 (immediately in front of them) plays exactly on the pace of play, the earliest they could hit approaches to #18 is at 4:13 into the round. So anything faster than 4:20 in extremely unlikely.
The way the players handled it was the first person putting out would proceed to the next tee and only hit after the group had holed out. This is lwithin the rules.

You mean I shouldn't post my twosome played in1 hour 58 minutes last week? (in the process disrupting 12 groups and adding 5 minutes to each of their rounds)

Peter,
and if the BEST anyone can do is 4:20, all it takes is one ruling, lost ball, 4 putt, and it backs up from there.
Giving credit where credit is due is a start.
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"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Pete_Pittock

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2012, 03:11:16 PM »
Jeff,
It can get better than 4:20 if the first group plays the their front in 2 hours rather than in maximum allotted time of @:15 or thereabouts, and subsequent groups keep pace. Yes, long ruling affect pace, but the groups are still expected to play faster than the maximum time, which shows on our pace of play sheets and the scorecards.

Yes, absolutely post about your speedy rounds, but recognize that tournament play is a different animal. But be advised I am not a fast typer. :)

jeffwarne

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2012, 03:55:19 PM »
Jeff,
It can get better than 4:20 if the first group plays the their front in 2 hours rather than in maximum allotted time of @:15 or thereabouts, and subsequent groups keep pace. Yes, long ruling affect pace, but the groups are still expected to play faster than the maximum time, which shows on our pace of play sheets and the scorecards.

Yes, absolutely post about your speedy rounds, but recognize that tournament play is a different animal. But be advised I am not a fast typer. :)

Peter,
Doesn't that first group have to wait for the players in front (who are starting on the back) to finish.
I think these golfers and event are to be congratulated.

I was being tongue in cheek :P :P about the speedy rounds.
that's the normal forum response to slow play threads,and iI was implying the twosome in 1:58 on a busy 4 ball course course is quite disruptive.
and you're exactly right about tournament rounds vs. normal play.
I do enjoy tournament rounds with a one tee start when you can play early though.
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Sean Leary

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2012, 09:53:37 PM »
Has anyone here played tournament golf? You guys are nuts;)

When it matters AND you have to putt out your 2-3 footers and not stand in someones line, it adds time. Never mind these were the teams at the end that the tournament depends on. Tournament golf is a different deal than hacking it around like we do. They take the full time to look for balls that might be lost because it MATTERS. They aren't raking their 3 footers for double like we do.

Pace of play in tournaments can't be compared to casual golf rounds.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2012, 10:43:33 PM »
Has anyone here played tournament golf? You guys are nuts;)

When it matters AND you have to putt out your 2-3 footers and not stand in someones line, it adds time. Never mind these were the teams at the end that the tournament depends on. Tournament golf is a different deal than hacking it around like we do. They take the full time to look for balls that might be lost because it MATTERS. They aren't raking their 3 footers for double like we do.

Pace of play in tournaments can't be compared to casual golf rounds.

  That is true enough.  My club allows Georgetown to use our course.  I have watched them play a couple of times when I foot they were going to have a competition.  My gripe with them is that players are not ready to play when it is their turn. Pick your club, line up your putt before it is your turn and then just get up and hit the darn thing.
I have played tournament golf.  When I was young we never took more than four hours to play. We just were ready to play when it was our turn.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2012, 10:55:34 PM »
...
Pace of play in tournaments can't be compared to casual golf rounds.

As usual Sean you've got it wrong again. ;)

Have you watched Bubba and the Rory's play tournament golf?

Don't you think there might be a reason why there is bad blood between Ben Crane and the non-snails?


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Sean Leary

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Re: College Golfers can play fast.
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2012, 11:15:44 PM »
Garland,

Your grudge match with Kalen doesn't count as tournament golf.:)

I am not saying 4:35 is fast. I'm saying that in one of the last groups of a major division 1 tournament taking a bit longer is OK with me. Especially if there is groups in front of them.

Our normal Sat morning game takes 4-4:15 with normal gambling as a 4 some. Everyone plays reasonably fast.

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