News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.


Randy Thompson

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Going forward in this economy, is the solution going back!
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2012, 11:39:10 PM »
For me Samtiago-San Diego
Buenos Aires-Atlanta
Patagonia starts about sixteen hours south of Buenos Aires....16 hours north of atlanta and you are where..conn?
but I compared with the west coast because of the 80 inches of rain...conclusion - Oregon
We have a lot of nerds on this site that love this shit, maybe one of them will take the time and give us the exact facts in relation to this. I am nerdy enough to do such an exercise but just donīt have the time right now. Take care!

Culturally it's Buenos Aires - Paris.   Loved that place!


Turboe you will love it.  Call me before you go.
Kimd of a bit of Paris and Madrid mixed. Me too Bill but getting more expensive as we talk which is a bummer.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2012, 11:44:47 PM by Randy Thompson »

Carl Nichols

  • Karma: +0/-0
Carl,
Wow she is really getting dangerous. Is she trying to compete with Chavez or what? Chile doesnīt allow 2 succesive terms, looking at past records of most second term leaders around the world, the more I am favor of one term stands, viva Chile! Good god, i am flying Argentina Aerolinas tomorrow, hope she doesnīt take that back and if she does I think I wll walk back to Chile! Incredible, no other words!

She really is.  My wife is down there right now and is amazed at the crap that gets pulled.

Back to more positive issues -- what is the closest town to this new course?  The area looks stunning.

Daryl "Turboe" Boe

  • Karma: +0/-0
Randy,

Did you get my IM through here?  If not drop me an email I would love to chat with you before I place any more phone calls.

Thanks
daryl.boe@gmail.com
Instagram: @thequestfor3000

"Time spent playing golf is not deducted from ones lifespan."

"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."

Ben Sims

  • Karma: +1/-0
Randy,

How close to Torres del Paine?  :D Might be worth a trip!

I am impressed with your OP and the ideas put forth in them.  Money will be a huge issue for most projects going forward and adopting some or all of those ideas will not only be beneficial to the project, but crucial to its financial success.  I am especially interested in what you do with irrigation going forward and how well your client responds to minimalism in that regard.  The rainfall totals should provide protection for your shoulder areas that the single row don't get.

Jim Urbina talked to me once about "grassing what you can irrigate" instead of the more common practice of "irrigating what you have decided to grass."  Sounds like that concept might help in your case.

RJ_Daley

  • Karma: +0/-0
Randy comments:
Quote
2.   The project is associated with a ski resort. Meaning surrounding mountains and lots of streams. We are trying to locate a source of water near and with a higher elevation.  Create a small pool in the stream and send the water to the irrigation system. No pumps, no electricity cost, less headaches. Good filtering system will be needed.

Randy, are you suggesting that you can build a reservoir near enough and high enough above the elev of the course to have enough water to irrigate the course using just gravity pressure from the higher elevation of the water res?  Or, the gravity can drain to a lower water lake to then pump out onto the course, but without a pump for a well to bring water up? 

Would there be difficult enviro regs in this region to deal with, or can you devise an engineered plan for a high sited reservoir and submit it and get a green light to do it in short time frame?

No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

Randy Thompson

  • Karma: +0/-0
Just got back in from the site, it took me 12 hours to get home and had a great asado and good wine last night before I left.
Daryl will get a repsonse out to you now.
RJ
A small resovior would be great but not nescessary, there are several streams that are snow melt runoff and streams formed from the high quantiy of rain. There are three good ones that have more than enough water year around, one we canīt touch that runs between the two nines because it is dedicated for other uses further down stream. the back nine has one that will be easy to manipulate and create what we need. Front nine under investigation. All you really need to do is create a small pool five feet by five feet, in the middle of the stream and put a drain in the low point for your irrigation feed. If this is eighty or ninety meters above the course you will create constant 110 psi pressure on the system. You start to irrigate and the stream keeps the pool full and you water with 110 psi. Put an automatic electric filtering system just before the water gets to the golf course and you keep it clean, automatically. I will verify the numbers this weekend and the altitude needed but I know itīs around ninety meters. One of the two nineīs at Santa Martina is watered this way, the only difference is we have wells that pump to a small pond of about 4-6 million gallons, enough for two or three days of watering without the wells.
To Ben and all,
Our average course construction budgets over the last sixteen years has been somewhere between two and two and half million dollars. I have done two courses that went over the four million mark, this is my first hopefully repeat client and the first course I did for them cost 4,5 million and opens May 19, but there was a contractor involved. I had a four hours layover in Ba, where there headquaters are and so I went and had an hour meeting with them this afternoon and discussed my findings and recomendations. I told them my intial estimates are that we can create something of quality for somewhere between one and one point five million but that I want the weekend to verify these number. They were shocked and a little skeptical and I felt that they felt that I am telling them what they want to hear and in the long run itīs gonna cost another 4.5 million dollars.
 If I can eliminate pump station, put in a single row irrigation system, that starts one yards in front of the back tee, small head on the tees, put double row- four heads in the landing areas and good coeverage on the greens and around the greens, will be a big reduction in comparrison to the typical wall to wall. Push up greens with the good native soil that is on site, an average of half meter throughout the proejct. No $600,000 USGA greens. So I think a qualified shaper can do nine holes in three to four months, scrape five or six inches around the green complexes to generate the soil to elevate them like the good ole days and significant movement for rapid surface draiange. Fix some surface drainage problems more than shaping in other areas. No mounding for framing, that will be accomplished with the native dense shrub type vegatation at an average of nine feet in height. If you add mounds, it will be out of place and difficult to tie back into the terrain below the existing vegatation. No lakes, the first course I did for them has at least ten big lakes, maybe more. Maximum of fifteen sand bunkers per nine and maybe less. Under the topsoil is gravel mix with clay but seem to be permeable and I think french drains will work. I want to test the perc rates but in the worst case there are gravel beds all over and you could dig out the gravel and clay and repalce with pure gravel and you have your bunker and depression drainage...cheap. Wall to wall fescue, seed should not run more than 30,000 dollars. The soil remains wet eight months of the years so establishing non irrigated areas should be easy. Itīs dry in the summer but still rains every couple of weeks that should allow the non irrigated areas to remain alive. In one of our projects, the wells dried up and the grass died but after three months without water the fescue came back once we started watering again. I need to get a better grip on clearing cost, most of it is dense and nine feet. They will allow burning though during five months of winter, which means no trucks. I want to use retroīs for root removal and a D-5 for shaping and hopefully protect the structure of the native topsoil. Sand would be stockpiled in the rough and added to bunkers with small gators for example. No cart paths. So the only big numbers are a reduced efficient irrigation system and of course my feeīs ;D!
« Last Edit: April 20, 2012, 01:28:15 AM by Randy Thompson »

RJ_Daley

  • Karma: +0/-0
Randy, I'm sure I speak for all us armchair design fans when we say that we wish you good luck, and would love to see periodic progress photos of the project.  Maybe follow Hanse's trend and post some YouTube vignettes.  Geeks love that sort of stuff!  ;D
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

Randy Thompson

  • Karma: +0/-0
RJ,
You can find that on my project in Cordaba, when we were just getting started, maybe a year ago, I think there is somethig on holes 7-8 & 9. The course is in establishment right now so it wonīt be long before I can post something more complete and advanced. Itīs got a lot of unique concepts and I expect it to be well reiceved by this market, which is my objective. You can find these you tube videoīs on our web site also, agolf.com.ar  I really wish more would do what your suggesting, take us through A-Z but pictures never capture whatīs really there and I feel most are afraid to show anything but a beautiful finished project. Kind of makes you feel they might use this site more as a marketing tool. For me this site provides excellent interchange of ideas and information and has helped me evolve and grow in this profession and represents, zero marketing. Of course there are a few exceptions and it was great what Tom and Don shared in relation to Disimal. I would love to follow what Gill will do in Brazil and watch the progress, to me it would make a great book or movie. Take care!
Randy

RJ_Daley

  • Karma: +0/-0
Thanks for the link Randy.  I remember you posting a few pics in the past.  But, the website is wonderful.  If others haven't seen it, go there and brush up on your Spanish/with a Texas drawl!!!  8)  :

http://www.agolf.com.ar/

I was able to get about 1/2 of that lingo on the first try in the interview.  I replayed it a few times and pretty much got it all.

Vamos a regressar al golf come Engelaterra, no tan verde, sin muchos cimicos, e non mucho agua...(my relatives in Italy accuse me of speaking Italianolo)  ;)  And throw a little Fred Astaire tap dancing w/golf club.  Very classy!  I think Randy is becoming our modern day "bon vivant" archie and may rival Des or RTJjr, living la vita loca!  8) 8) 8) Great interview!   
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

Randy Thompson

  • Karma: +0/-0
Thanks for the link Randy.  I remember you posting a few pics in the past.  But, the website is wonderful.  If others haven't seen it, go there and brush up on your Spanish/with a Texas drawl!!!  8)  :

http://www.agolf.com.ar/

I was able to get about 1/2 of that lingo on the first try in the interview.  I replayed it a few times and pretty much got it all.

Vamos a regressar al golf come Engelaterra, no tan verde, sin muchos cimicos, e non mucho agua...(my relatives in Italy accuse me of speaking Italianolo)  ;)  And throw a little Fred Astaire tap dancing w/golf club.  Very classy!  I think Randy is becoming our modern day "bon vivant" archie and may rival Des or RTJjr, living la vita loca!  8) 8) 8) Great interview!   

Gracias,
At one point I talk about goig so far back in time, that I want to do one with sheep to maintain it. Two months later I got a call perfect for such a dream. Thought I had it signed but the owner wants to think more during the winter. Four holes, one par four, one par five and two par threeīs, or six holes par three or nine holes par three! Hopefully in Sept I can write about my next, Cool Project!
Did you see the stuff on you tube on 7-8 and 9 of that same course? Search a little and you should find them, I think! If not I will!

Bill_McBride

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Going forward in this economy, is the solution going back!
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2012, 07:19:24 PM »
For me Samtiago-San Diego
Buenos Aires-Atlanta
Patagonia starts about sixteen hours south of Buenos Aires....16 hours north of atlanta and you are where..conn?
but I compared with the west coast because of the 80 inches of rain...conclusion - Oregon
We have a lot of nerds on this site that love this shit, maybe one of them will take the time and give us the exact facts in relation to this. I am nerdy enough to do such an exercise but just donīt have the time right now. Take care!

Culturally it's Buenos Aires - Paris.   Loved that place!


Turboe you will love it.  Call me before you go.
Kimd of a bit of Paris and Madrid mixed. Me too Bill but getting more expensive as we talk which is a bummer.


I thought the Argentine peso is now 4:1 versus 3:1 when I was in BA four years ago - when everything seemed pretty cheap. 

Randy Thompson

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Going forward in this economy, is the solution going back!
« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2012, 07:57:30 PM »
For me Samtiago-San Diego
Buenos Aires-Atlanta
Patagonia starts about sixteen hours south of Buenos Aires....16 hours north of atlanta and you are where..conn?
but I compared with the west coast because of the 80 inches of rain...conclusion - Oregon
We have a lot of nerds on this site that love this shit, maybe one of them will take the time and give us the exact facts in relation to this. I am nerdy enough to do such an exercise but just donīt have the time right now. Take care!

Culturally it's Buenos Aires - Paris.   Loved that place!


Turboe you will love it.  Call me before you go.
Kimd of a bit of Paris and Madrid mixed. Me too Bill but getting more expensive as we talk which is a bummer.


I thought the Argentine peso is now 4:1 versus 3:1 when I was in BA four years ago - when everything seemed pretty cheap. 
Bill,
It was very cheap then but inflation has gone crazy. I watch these thing by the Mcdonalds combo believe it or not. When it was 3:1, a combo cost 9 pesos or $3 but didnīt last long, maybe six to eight months, then it settled out at, more of a world market price of 5 dollars for back then. The current exchange rate is 4.40 to $1, the Mcdonalds comboīs now are around 45 pesos, ten dollars. What are they in the states, 6 ??
When it was 1:1 just before you got there, you could go to a steak house..all you can eat, called siga La Vaca, for eight dollars, when it went to 3:1, they charged 18 pesos=six dollars, I went by one yesterday, 102 pesos, about 22.50 give or take. Everything has trippled! Just saw an email, from the GM of my company to one of our clients, begging him to please pay his salary on the first becasue by the 10th when he usually pays, the money is worth much less because prices have gone up. Also, I exchanged on the black market on Tuesday for 4.90, everybody is trying to horde dollarīs because they feel another big devaluation is coming. I use to drink the top of the line wines in that Country, what a pleasure, its getting really hard to adjust to the wine now that comes in a milk carton! Argentines have a history of taking their dollars to Uruguay where the banking laws are relaxed. Ferryīs and airports now have dogs sniffing for dollars. Ask Carl, he will be able to confirm all this is true.

Jonathan Mallard

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Going forward in this economy, is the solution going back!
« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2012, 10:23:50 PM »
Randy,

As an armchair everything - Gosh, this sounds like FUN!

I look forward to seeing what this land becomes.

Ben Sims

  • Karma: +1/-0
Re: Going forward in this economy, is the solution going back!
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2012, 12:14:51 PM »
Randy,

What is the nearest town?  El Calafate?  El Chalten?  Is it close to Los Glacieres National Park?

Sorry for the inqusition, but places like Patagonia and Queenstown, NZ are a dream of mine.  Maybe your course will give me a reason to trek for a week or so and then stop by for a few days.

Randy Thompson

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Going forward in this economy, is the solution going back!
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2012, 12:42:26 PM »
Ben,
15 miles east of Bolson, 60 miles south of Bariloche, but donīt tell anyone else yet...shhh! 
The board meets manana to discuss my future possible contract, findings and recommendations.

Tags:
Tags:

An Error Has Occurred!

Call to undefined function theme_linktree()
Back