[Anthony Gray]

  There I said it.

  Anthony

[Tom_Doak]

Anthony:

Maybe Mr. Macdonald just wanted to get it over with early!

I am trying to think about the famous blind holes now.  The Maiden, the Sahara, the Himalayas, and the Sandy Parlour were all early in the round.  Only the Alps was saved until near the end [and even then, only after they re-routed the course and turned it from twelve holes to eighteen].

[Mac Plumart]

Hmmm...

Anthoney I've herd you say this befour.  I don't no if I agree. 

The first whole can be blind on the approach.  But I feel that the walk up to the green is truly amazing when you actually get to see the putting surface.  A jaw-dropper.

The potential to drive the blind second green or lay up out into the fairway brings some decision making and interest to the hole.

Then that 3rd hole and its blindness is simply off the charts in terms of excitement and intrigue.

I here you.  And can understand if ewe feel that way.  And I agree with your sentiments, on another thread, that if someone criticizes course X for one thing, they need to apply that criticism consistently across the board.  But if you love Cruden Bay, and it has lots of blindness, then why do you not like NGLA's blindness.

Thoughts?

[Anthony Gray]

The first hole I hit my tee shot and asked the caddy "Is that good". Again on my approach. Again on the next tee shot. The thirds approach. Again on the hogs back. And the road hole I had no idea where I was going until the caddy went out so I could aim over his head. Love The Himilayas at Prestwick by the way.

  Anthony

[Simon Holt]

Disagree.  Hit it on the lawn by the clubhouse on 1, hit the green on 2 and keep your drive long and right on 3 and you get a pretty good view for all the second shots.

Seriously, I love it so I have to disagree on this.  Its not like he doesn't use blindness anywhere else on the course so it cant be described as top heavy on that aspect.  The guy let you see the Redan for goodness sake!  

[Anthony Gray]

Disagree.  Hit it on the lawn by the clubhouse on 1, hit the green on 2 and keep your drive long and right on 3 and you get a pretty good view for all the second shots.

Seriously, I love it so I have to disagree on this.  Its not like he doesn't use blindness anywhere else on the course so it cant be described as top heavy on that aspect.  The guy let you see the Redan for goodness sake!  

  Simon. I hit it on the lawn of the clubhouse while playing 18. Swear to god.

  Anthony

[Simon Holt]

Wow!  Thats special.  Erm...what happened next?

[Anthony Gray]

Wow!  Thats special.  Erm...what happened next?

  My caddy would not let me take it over the clubhouse. Ray Floyd was having the lobster.

  Anthony

[PThomas]

It is probably the best course I've ever played

[Simon Holt]

You should have banked one off his Southsider.

[Anthony Gray]

  The course does not have too much for the round. Just too much early.

  Anthony

  

[Patrick_Mucci]

 The course does not have too much for the round. Just too much early.

Anthony, that's not true, the late holes,  #'s 16, 17 and 18 are blind.

10, 11, 12 and 15 can be blind as well.
Even 14 with a poor tee shot.

But, most blindness can be avoided if the golfer hits his shots/drives in the right locations.

Evidently, you failed in that endeavor


  

[Chip Gaskins]

the first hole is as good as it gets.  the 2nd and 3rd, not so much.  the second is a driver over a hill to a pitch, but probably putt. and the third, well, not so much.  there i said it.

[Mac Plumart]

Well, s**t the bed grandma! 

Chip...WOW!!!  In all seriousness, I am fascinated to here your take on 3 at NGLA.  Please don't hold back and give us the blow by blow on the hole, as you see it.

[Chip Gaskins]

hey, every person i have played golf with ta;lking about NGLA busts my chops over this, but i just don't get the alps at NGLA.  pat mucci has told me i have rocks in my head, will smith thinks i am a baffon, tom dunne says i am crazy, etc, etc,...hey, i think the drive and second shot aren't really that compelling...if you miss your drive a little left it is pitch out to the right, and even if you drive in the correct place in the middle, the approach shot is "aim and hope"...sorry, not my cup of tea.  not saying the pundits don't like it, just saying i think it is over rated.  we all have opinions....  TEPAUL....big world theory.  for some reason, i like the punchbowl  a little better, but still the same hit and hope thing going on...what do i know.

[Patrick_Mucci]

Chip,

Rocks might be kind

The drive over the diagonal bunker presents a unique challenge.

As to the blindness, there is a directional marker, and, if you're bold enough to challenge the right side of the diagonal bunker on your drive, you can see the right corner of the green

[Colin Macqueen]

Athony,

Mac asks why  "..... if you love Cruden Bay, and it has lots of blindness, then why do you not like NGLA's blindness."

The answer's easy. True love is blind.

Cheers Colin

[Mac Plumart]

Colin...nice one!

Chip...much respect for sharing your opinion.  I hear you and get what you are saying.  I like the hole a great deal, but in terms of it being over-rated or under-rated; it sure as heck isn't under-rated.

[Anthony Gray]

hey, every person i have played golf with ta;lking about NGLA busts my chops over this, but i just don't get the alps at NGLA.  pat mucci has told me i have rocks in my head, will smith thinks i am a baffon, tom dunne says i am crazy, etc, etc,...hey, i think the drive and second shot aren't really that compelling...if you miss your drive a little left it is pitch out to the right, and even if you drive in the correct place in the middle, the approach shot is "aim and hope"...sorry, not my cup of tea.  not saying the pundits don't like it, just saying i think it is over rated.  we all have opinions....  TEPAUL....big world theory.  for some reason, i like the punchbowl  a little better, but still the same hit and hope thing going on...what do i know.

  I would like the third better if they didn't call it The Alps. It does not compare to Prestwick.

  Anthony

 

[Anthony Gray]

Athony,

Mac asks why  "..... if you love Cruden Bay, and it has lots of blindness, then why do you not like NGLA's blindness."

The answer's easy. True love is blind.

Cheers Colin

  Its the kind of love that gets better with time.

  Anthony

[Lou Cutolo]

I do agree with Anthony in regard to the blindness of the first three holes   but in the words of Tommy Armour “A blind hole is only blind if a golfer wants,” or a blind hole is only a blind once.

[George Freeman]

I do agree with Anthony in regard to the blindness of the first three holes   but in the words of Tommy Armour “A blind hole is only blind if a golfer wants,” or a blind hole is only a blind once.

Lou - maybe the problem is that many people only get one chance to play the course??

I disagree w/ Anthony that there is "too much" blindness early as I really loved the opening stretch at NGLA.  I think #1 and #2 are just phenomenal holes.  The green on #1 is out of this world, and cresting the hill on #2 is pretty special as well (not to mention the windmill looming over you as you play the hole).  I loved how the fairway fed into the green at #2.  You get another "wow" moment cresting the hill on #3, but I butchered the hole so it's hard for me to judge how it plays.

I think the bottom line is that NGLA is not a course that was designed to be played "one and done" like some resort course.  NGLA, more than any other course I have played, had me dazed and confused after my one round.  In a good way.  More than any other it seemed like a course that takes time and many plays to intricately understand.

[Mac Plumart]

I do agree with Anthony in regard to the blindness of the first three holes   but in the words of Tommy Armour “A blind hole is only blind if a golfer wants,” or a blind hole is only a blind once.

Lou - maybe the problem is that many people only get one chance to play the course??

I disagree w/ Anthony that there is "too much" blindness early as I really loved the opening stretch at NGLA.  I think #1 and #2 are just phenomenal holes.  The green on #1 is out of this world, and cresting the hill on #2 is pretty special as well (not to mention the windmill looming over you as you play the hole).  I loved how the fairway fed into the green at #2.  You get another "wow" moment cresting the hill on #3, but I butchered the hole so it's hard for me to judge how it plays.

I think the bottom line is that NGLA is not a course that was designed to be played "one and done" like some resort course.  NGLA, more than any other course I have played, had me dazed and confused after my one round.  In a good way.  More than any other it seemed like a course that takes time and many plays to intricately understand.

George, I think that post is spot on.  NGLA is nuanced and intricate.  I believe it is meant to be played and enjoyed over a life time, perhaps similiar to The Old Course in that manner.

[Tom_Doak]

I think the bottom line is that NGLA is not a course that was designed to be played "one and done" like some resort course.  NGLA, more than any other course I have played, had me dazed and confused after my one round.  In a good way.  More than any other it seemed like a course that takes time and many plays to intricately understand.

Up until 1960, was ANY course designed to be a "one and done" experience?  I can't think of one.  That's a new phenomenon, and one that has backfired, big time.

[Greg Tallman]

Hmmm...

Anthoney I've herd you say this befour.  I don't no if I agree. 

Thoughts?

Imitation is the sincerest form...

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