[Mike_Young]

I just read the Greg Norman Road Hole post.
Tour 18 types of courses are where guys "try" to copy great holes from around the world. 
I have always thought that shot values defined the type of hole more than the visuals being extremely similar to the original.  Am I wrong?

[Bill Brightly]

I think you are right. We've spent a lot of time defining "shot value" and I'm not sure I have a great definition. But however you define it, high shot value includes much fear/uneasiness when the player is standing over the ball. So the Norman hole seems to capture the Road Hole approach to the green shot value. The golfer's eye is immediatley drawn to the front left greenside bunker, yet he knows he can't go long less he risks ending up on the "road." 

[Jim_Kennedy]

Mike,
What creates the 'shot value' on a Road hole? If the features aren't there what creates the visual? No carry, no bunker, no 'road' = no Road hole?   

[Anthony Gray]

  I think Mike is dead on. You can't recreate ambiance or is that ambulance, but you can reproduce shot values.

  Anthony

 

[Doug Braunsdorf]

Mike,

  Good question.  I would say, and I think it has been said on here, as a for example, the 17th at Sawgrass-while it is different from the atypical Raynor short, it tests the accuracy of the short iron shot-and probably, provides a stronger test, probably a penal test, of the short iron. 

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