[Ken_Cotner]

Dan King,

We need to do some swappin!  What a list...

Is the live X (at the WAGG) a bootleg, or commercial release?

I was so proud of my 8-year old daughter yesterday -- at the restaurant jukebox, she picked a song from #156 on your list!

KC

[JohnV]

Ken, the new John Hiatt is excellent.  I got hooked because I now get to listen to lots of good music on KPIG (107-oink-5) here in the Santa Cruz area.  For those who aren't from around here, you can listen to them on the internet at:

I'm sure Angus would appreciate the tribute song.

[Gib_Papazian]

How bizarre.   I was just reading through the musical vector on the Pelican Hill thread and come to find out that not only is Huckster a fellow early Genesis freak, but Naccarato's guitar hero is Steve Hackett . . . . . heck, we might as well dig all the way to the beginning and  bring up the name of the ultimate art-guitarist: Anthony Phillips. Remember?

People into that sort of stuff ARE different. What are the  chances of 3 random golfers sharing the same passion?

We even have a Grateful Dead roadie - and he loves golf!

Is this an example of what Bob Weir used to call "Misfit Power?"

Are we "arty misfits?"

Bizzare coincidence: Dan King and I are both Libertarians. That makes us 2% of the entire national party

These are not accidents, but perhaps Jungian syncronicity.

I've stated it before and will again: Whether it was intended or not, the importance of this website goes far beyond golf architecture.

There is no doubt that whatever the subject  - art or otherwise - the depth and breadth of the discussions would be equal to that we enjoy today.

Is this an international Think Tank? I tried to tackle this  question when on vacation a few months back and never really came to a conclusion.

What would happen if we redirected the focus of this same group in other directions? Art, music, politics . . . . I believe by any measuring stick, the brain power displayed and diversity of opinion in the Treehouse is staggering compared to the rest of the web.      

[Peter Galea]

Beethoven, Sinatra, Steely Dan.

Edward Weston, Maxfield Parrish, M.C.Escher.

Ross, Tillinghast, MacKenzie.

[Craig_Rokke]

Steve Hackett? That a blast from the past! My first concert..
the Hackett solo tour... The Tower Theatre...beautiful Upper Darby PA.

Do you think Becker and Fagen would don their plus fours for brunch with the Good Doctor?

[Ken_Cotner]

JohnV,

I hope Merle appreciates it, too...

KC

np on my tv (AMC):  "Rock and Roll High School" with the Ramones.  Hey Ho, let's go!

[Peter Galea]

Craig,
You know they would, after all, "there's golf at noon for free, Brooklyn.....".

[Tommy_Naccarato]

Ant Phillpps was Genesis' original lead guitar player and was responsible for the wild guitar on great songs like "The Knife" and "Return Of the Giant Hogweed."

He left shortly after the release of the second Genesis album because he feared the band was was going no where.

Steve Hackett answered an ad placed in Melody Maker by Peter Gabriel, Tony Banks and Tony Stratton-Smith, Genesis longtime manager and fellow school chum at Charterhouse in Bath, England, which when they heard him play for the first time they were instantly mesmerized.

I can't begin to tell you all how much his music has meant to me. Just a mystifying guitar player who seems to be able to produce any sound he wants out of a guitar, whether it is electric or classical.

Photo taken by Genesis afficando and official biographer, Armando Gallo at the Starlight Amphetheater in Burbank, around 1978.

[A Clay Man]

While a G fan from high school, I didn't see them live till about 82-83. I was always impressed with Chester and when he and Phil would do syncronized bangin man that was cool. One of my all-time favorites was the story of Sarah Jane and remember when Phil had to sit at the Oscars and listen to someone else sing his nominated song. It must've been 2 years before he let everybody forget Ann Renkin.

[Gib_Papazian]

Adam,

I named my cat "Genesis."

Maybe we should get the NorCal gang together and instead of playing golf, get a hookah and listen to "Supper's Ready."  

[A_Clay_Man]

"on Broadway" perhaps?
While it wasn't thier best...
I once had a hairdresser who was a family friend and psychic too boot. When we listened to "mama" for the first time he was so clued in. He interepted the song as being a rebirthing process and he stated it so emphatically after hearing it only once that till this day I still can't see where he was wrong.
His name is Danny Foley and works with his brother at James Patrick on Division st. in Chitown. I always try to find out what Danny dresses up for @ Halloween. Being psychic it usually portends some future happening.
Go figure

[Tommy_Naccarato]

Have you ever heard the interpretation from Peter Gabriel of what Supper's Ready was about, and where his inspiration to write it came from?

Pretty far out there.

[A Clay Man]

Never have. Please share.

[Will E]

A great day of golf in Chicago, Las Vegas or New York is perfectly finished with a night of BLUE MAN GROUP TUBES. I still miss the Dead but BMG is a blast.
In my CD player now
Squeeze, Greatful Dead, Mick Jagger, Steve Earle, Elvis Costello and Amiee Mann.

[BillV]

Archies: (Mother Earth/Links), CBMacdonald, Ross, Flynn, Park, ?Dye, Hanse et. alia

Art: Greek Architects, Roman Architects, Chicago Architects (Love them buildings) Mark Rothko, Edward Hopper

Music:  Mozart, Ludwig van, Sinatra, Nat Cole, Hendrix, Doors, Police, Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins! and currently Lit, Live and Bush.

Almost forgot, concert highlight Hendrix at Miami, 1968.

[Gib_Papazian]

Well,

As long as I am not the only one who finds this subject fascinating, how about literature?

What non-golf books do you look back on as having changed your life?

Somehow, at the end of this thread, I am going to prove the words of Lord Tennyson: "Whatever you are to know, know this: You are dreadfully like other people."

Rendevous with Rama (the series)
Confedercey of Dunces
Animal Farm
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Goombata
The Philosophy of Aesthetics
One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest
Instant Replay
Stranger in a Strange Land
The Art of War
Winning Through Intimidation

[Ed_Baker]

The Little Engine That Could
The combined library of Cliff Notes.
Kama Sutra
The Joy of Flying
FM 31-13

[Peter Galea]

A Brief History of Time
The Stand
Dante's Inferno
East of Eden
The Zone System

[TEPaul]

What a wonderful topic--I hadn't looked at it until now. As far as I can see with the connection to the music a lot of you fellows are just showing basically what your age is!

For me and music I sure will show my age by admitting this but I loved it when I was young (early rock, R&B and even the show tunes, the Big Bands and the smaltzy transition music coming out of WW2 and later definitely all the stuff like MOTown) but for some reason the music died for me at that Altamont thing--or whatever it's called where the Stones hired the Hell's Angels for security! I guess I ain't the only one but I basically was never really aware of the music again.

Again, I hate to admit it but some of the music and musicians some of you fellows mentioned, I ain't never even heard of. Even my wife who's about eight years younger than me,  although she's from Pennsylvania, she spent time in college on the coast and was probably sort of a medium grade flowerchild for a while and her music interest probably evolved into a more generic area.

But we were at a business convention in San Diego about two summers ago and one of the companies brought "America" in to perform (from England most ironically!!)--they performed on a beautiful island in an amphitheater inside San Diego harbor as the night was coming and they were just great!!! They seemed like super nice people too!! Anyway, my wife was just transformed back to another time obviously I was never aware of!! And the music?? I couldn't really even place their name ("America") but as they keep going song after song I kept saying "THEY SANG THAT??"

They ended the performance with "Sister Golden Hair" and my wife (who is a pretty little blond--probably the prototypical flower child look once) was standing right in the front up against the stage--and off they went but the guitarist wheeled back around and came over to the stage edge and flipped her his pic!! Damnedest thing, what an effect, she was totally in another world!!--she has that plastic pic stashed carefully in her jewelry box!!!

So the music is great, whatever it is, and I think it can be good at any stage, for whatever reason, but basically it takes you back to some time in your life that you love to remember!!

And to me that's America, the country too, the US of A and the American ethos, which is the real fascination to me (and also how it relates to golf architecture and it does in spades BTW!!)--it's powerful dynamic for change, the need to move forward fast but then to always have to look back and try to move back too to try to feel another wonderful time back then with it's memories and maybe innocence and ease and then away we go again into some unexplored territory and then after another era or whatever we turn and look back again--clothes, music, art, attitude, politics, golf architecture, you name it, fast forward and then a little rewind and on and on it goes--what a dynamic!!

I love the ethos of this culture and other cultures too. For art and the subject we talk about on here it doesn't get much more interesting to me than Tom MacWood's "Arts and Crafts Movement" essays. My interest some day is going to be to analyze the subliminal drive of "Manifest Destiny" and its effect on golf course architecture!

Anyway, wonderful, topic, leave it to Gib to come up with it!

[Ken_Cotner]

Gib,

"Oh, The Places You'll Go"  (Dr. Seuss)
"Mere Christianity"  (C.S. Lewis)
"Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone"  (J.K. Rowling)
"Dead Solid Perfect"  (Dan Jenkins)


Shooter,
Those last 3 in your CD player hit the jackpot -- which discs are they?

TEP,
Now you know how I feel when y'all talk about most of the classics!  Of course, there was some GREAT early R&R, R&B, and show tunes.  Not to mention 50's/60's jazz, which I am drawn to more and more.

KC

[ed getka]

James Taylor, Pink Floyd, REM

Crime and Punishment by Dostoyevsky
Walden by Thoreau
John Muir writings

Mackenzie

[Dan King]

Ken (who has turned me on to some great music over the years) Cotner,

X: Live at the Whiskey A Go-Go was released by Elektra in 1988.

Eight-year-old daughter picking Little Creatures is cool, but don't count on the same sort of selection when she hits her teenage years. Who knows what kids will be into by then.

Now for books, I decided to go through my bookcases and find my favorites.  I'm sure if I made up the list again tomorrow (or even in a half hour) it would be different. In no particular order (except for the first listing):

Might as well start with the most important book I own:

• The Elements of Style -- by William Strunk Jr., E.B. White
  

Fiction

• For Whom the Bell Tolls -- by Ernest Hemingway
  
• A Confederacy of Dunces -- by John Kennedy Toole
  
• The Grapes of Wrath  -- by John Steinbeck
  
• Mercier and Camier  -- by Samuel Beckett
  
• True History of the Kelly Gang  -- by Peter Carey
  
• Midnight's Children -- by Salman Rushdie
  
• The Butcher Boy -- by Patrick McCabe
  
• Myra Breckinridge -- by Gore Vidal
  
• Galatea 2.2 by Richard Powers
  
• Sometimes a Great Notion -- by Ken Kesey
  
• On the Road -- by Jack Kerouac
  
• Memories Of The Ford Administration -- by John Updike
  

Non-fiction

• The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test -- by Tom Wolfe
  
• Founding Brothers: The Revolutionary Generation  -- by Joseph J. Ellis
  
• The Federalist Papers -- by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, John Jay, etc…
  
• Crescent and Star: Turkey Between Two Worlds  -- by Stephen Kinzer
  
• Eyewitness to Power: The Essence of Leadership, Nixon to Clinton -- by David R. Gergen
  
• Vietnam : A History -- by Stanley Karnow
  
• Original Meanings : Politics and Ideas in the Making of the Constitution -- by Jack N. Rakove
  
• One Palestine, Complete: Jews and Arabs Under the British Mandate -- by Tom Segev
  
• Those Are Real Bullets: Bloody Sunday, Derry, 1972 -- by Peter Pringle and Philip Jacobson
  
• The Stolen Election : Hayes Versus Tilden-1876 -- by Lloyd Robinson
  

Biographies

• Che Guevara : A Revolutionary Life -- by Jon Lee Anderson
  
• The Autobiography of Malcolm X -- by Malcolm X
  
• Seabiscuit: An American Legend -- by Laura Hillenbrand
  
• The Trial of Henry Kissinger -- by Christopher Hitchens
  
• Motorcycle Diaries : A Journey Around South America -- by Ernesto Che Guevara
  
• Crazy Rhythm : My Journey from Brooklyn, Jazz, and Wall Street to Nixon's White House, Watergate, and Beyond... -- by Leonard Garment
  
• Duel: Alexander Hamilton, Aaron Burr, and the Future of America -- by Thomas Fleming
  
• Bobby Sands and the Tragedy of Northern Ireland -- by John M. Feehan
  

Books currently in various states of being read

• The Joy of Freedom: An economist’s Odyssey – by David R. Henderson
  
• Cigarettes: Anatomy of an  Industry. From Seed to Smoke – by Tara Parker-Pope
  
• Theodore Rex – by Edmund Morris
  
• The Metaphysical Club: A Story of Ideas in Amercia – by Louis Menand
  
• A Grand Delusion: America’s Descent into Vietnam – by Robert Mann
  

"This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force. . . This must be a gift book. That is to say, a book which you wouldn’t take on any other terms."
 --Dorothy Parker

[Gib_Papazian]

Ken,
I cannot fathom how on earth I managed to forgot "Oh The Places You'll Go." We have three copies lying around the house.

Dan,
A Confederacy of Dunces -- by John Kennedy Toole . . . . how did I know that would be on your "A" list?

Tom,
I had not considered the transformative powers of music as it can move you instantly back in time and recapture the feeling of a long forgotten moment.

Artists and music like "America" bound together a generation in a more general sense - and that includes those whose tastes run towards the more esoteric - because we all occupy the  same air space when it comes to popular culture.

For example, regardless of how I feel about the Bee Gees, their music was a reflection and perhaps even defined the era.

Even now, hearing those familiar bass lines sends a powerful chill of deja vu back to 716 W. 28th St. in Los Angeles in a long demolished fraternity house where so many memories both good and bad are embedded in the reaches of my mind.

But though their sounds are inextricably entwined with my memories, I do not own a single Bee Gees album (just calling it an "album" dates me).

By contrast, last night I listened to Pink Floyd's "Adam Heart Mother" - which pre-dates  "The Dark Side of the Moon."

Music like that did not define their era, but spoke directly to the soul of a sub-culture. Evidently many of us on the site, rather than marching to the prevailing popular beat, found themselves drawn to the fringes.

Genesis, Yes, ELP, the Grateful  Dead, Pink Floyd etc were largely experimental forms that pushed the envelope in an effort to expand the consciousness of their audience. It is no accident that these bands are largely identifed with the so-called "drug culture."

And this passionate devotion we share in the study of golf architecture is in many respects the equivalent of these musical vectors off the mainstream.

Is Mike Strantz the Emerson Lake & Palmer of golf design? Is Tom Doak a sort of Frank Zappa, fusing all sorts of styles together to create something uniquely his own?

Does this make sense?    

How else to explain the sheer number of devotees on this website to "alternative" art forms?

[David Wigler]

I have been ducking this discussion because I know that in Literature and Music, I simply cannot hunt with the big dogs but here goes.

Literature is a close four horse race between "The Godfather", the entire Lord of the Rings series, and either "IT" or "The Shining" by Steven King.  

Music would be Pink Floyd, Aerosmith, and Jimmy Buffet.

Politics would be extremely conservative.

I wonder if these results were predictable for one of the tree house members who likes a large portion of Fazio and Nicklaus's work?

Hope you all have a very Merry Christmas!

[Gib_Papazian]

"I wonder if these results were predictable for one of the tree house members who likes a large portion of Fazio and Nicklaus's work?"

David,

With one exception on your list, it was definitely predictable. But I believe in the "Big Tent" theory - and guys like you keep us pedantic pseudo's from drifting too far into LA LA Land.

Sincerely though, even though we are friends in real life away from GCA, just by your previous postings I'll bet most of the Treehouse could have guessed at your response - or at least not be surprised by it.

Just out of curiosity, because you are quite a bit younger than me - which Pink Floyd albums?

If you write "Obscured by Clouds" or "Mettle," I'll fall out of my chair with shock.

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