[Michael George]

List your favorite golf course by architect.  You obviously don't need to answer for each architect.  However, if you have played several designs by an architect, don't cop out by saying you don't like that architect (just give the one that you hate the least ).  Here is the list of possible architects (feel free to add if you wish):

Old Tom Morris, Tom Simpson, H.S. Colt, C.H. Alison, Alister Mackenzie, Deveraux Emmet, CB Macdonald, Seth Raynor, Donald Ross, Willie Park Jr., Perry Maxwell, AW Tillinghast, Vernon Macan, George Thomas, Walter Travis, Harry Vardon, Tom Bendelow, William Flynn, William Langford, Herbert Fowler, Herbert Strong, Stanley Thompson, Robert Trent Jones Sr., Pete Dye, Fred Hawtree, Robert Trent Jones, Jr., Arthur Hills, Rees Jones, Chet Williams, Jack Nicklaus, Tom Fazio, Bill Coore/Ben Crenshaw, Tom Doak, Lester George, Donald Steel, Michael Hurzdan/Dana Fry, Mike Strantz, Mike Clayton, Gil Hanse, David Kidd, Tom Weiskopf, Jay Morrish, Kyle Phillips, Jeff Brauer, Tom McBroom, Greg Norman, Dick Nugent, Gary Player, Arnold Palmer.

[Alex Lagowitz]

although some of us may not be the biggest fans of his work, i would hate to include Tom Fazio from that list.

[Mark Saltzman]

Michael,

I think to make this more interesting and to give a point reference, one should list all courses played by any particular architect and bold the favorite.

[Mac Plumart]

Michael,

I think to make this more interesting and to give a point reference, one should list all courses played by any particular architect and bold the favorite.

This would be too much to list every course by every architect, but here is a starter set.

Pete Dye---Kiawah, Pete Dye Golf Club, Sawgrass, Harbour Town, Paiute Wolf, The Golf Club, Honors

Tom Doak—Ballyneal, Sebonack, Renaissance, Rock Creek, Commonground, Pacific Dunes, Old Mac

Coore/Crensahw---Cuscowilla, Chechessee Creek, Sand Hills, Dormie, Bandon Trials

Donald Ross---#2, Inverness, CC of Columbus, Augusta CC, Mid Pines, Pine Needles, Holston Hills, Seminole, Southern Pines, Old Elm

Jack Nicklaus---Southshore, Great Waters, Bears Best ATL, Bears Best LV, Achasta, Harbour Town, Bears Club, Champions Retreat, Dismal River, Sebonack, Turtle Point

Tom Fazio---St. Ives, Crabapple, World Woods PB, Black Diamond Ranch, #8, #4, Sea Island Seaside, Osprey Point, Sage Valley, White Columns, The Farm

CBM/Raynor---NGLA, Yeamans, Shoreacres, Lookout Mountain

[Keith OHalloran]

Mac, what is your favorite Riley redesign? And your favorite Flynn?

[Mac Plumart]

Only played one Flynn...so Shinnecock is the answer.

Riley...played Atlanta CC (were he re-did the greens), Standard Club were he re-did an Art Hills course and made it awesome, and Reunion that isn't well maintained but contains good architecture, and of course Rivermont.  Atlanta CC is probably the best of that bunch, but he only re-did the greens.  So for a total course re-do, Rivermont is my favorite of the group...but all 4 are good with 3 of them being REALLY good!!

[Mark Saltzman]

OK, here goes --- minimum 10 courses for any particular architect.  

Jack Nicklaus (35 Courses Played)

1. Dismal River
2. Old Works
3. Glen Abbey
PGA West - Nicklaus
Cordillera - Summit
Ocean Hammock
Old Corkscrew
Bear Lakes - Lakes
Ibis - Tradition
Mayacoo Lakes
North Palm Beach
PGA National - Champion
Ritz Carlton Club
Promontory
Grand Cypress - East/North
Grand Cypress - New
Reynold's Plantation - Great Waters
Valhalla
English Turn
Grand Bear
Chase at Coyote Springs
Reflection Bay
Legacy Golf Links
Bear Dance
National Golf Club
Dafouskie Island (Melrose)
Idaho Club
Kiawah Islant - Turtle Point
Long Bay Club
The Greenbrier - Greenbrier
Bull at Pinehurst Farms
Mount Juliet
La Robinie
Moon Palace
Nicklaus North


Tom Fazio (35)

1. Victoria National
2. Shooting Star
3. Coppinwood
Red Sky - Fazio
Gozzer Ranch
Alderra
Glenwild
Grayhawk - Raptor
Pelican Hill (North)
Trump National
Black Diamond (Quarry) (West)
World Woods - Pine Barrens
World Woods - Rolling Oaks
Emerald Dunes
Mirasol - Sunrise
PGA GC - Ryder
PGA GC - Wanamaker
PGA National - Haig
PGA National - Squire
Disney - Osprey Ridge
Lake Nona
Legacy at Alaqua Lakes
White Columns
Mountaintop
Fallen Oak
Primm Valley - Desert
Shadow Creek
Pinehurst No. 4
Pinehurst No. 8
Barefoot - Fazio
Kiawah Island - Osprey Point
TPC Myrtle Beach
Barton Creek - Fazio Canyons
Barton Creek - Fazio Foothills
The National


Pete Dye (30)

1. Kiawah Island (Ocean)
2. Promontory (Dye)
3. Pete Dye GC

Harbour Town Golf Links
La Quinta - Dunes
La Quinta - Mountain
PGA West - TPC
TPC Sawgrass
Delray Dunes
Medalist
Old Marsh
PGA GC - Dye
Ruffled Feathers
Brickyard Crossing
Crooked Stick
TPC of Louisiana
Bulle Rock Golf Club
U of M - Radrick Farms
Pauite - Wolf
Mystic Rock
Kiawah Island - Ocean
Prestwick Country Club
TPC San Antonio - Canyons
Kingsmill - River
Pete Dye Golf Club
Blackwolf Run - Meadows Valleys
Blackwolf Run - River
Whistling Straits - Irish
Whistling Straits - Straits
Casa de Campo - Dye Fore
Casa de Campo - Links
Casa de Campo - Teeth of the Dog


RTJ Sr (24)

1. Spyglass Hill
2. Mauna Kea
3. Point O'Woods

Cambrian Ridge
Capitol Hill - Senator
Capitol Hill - Judge
Capitol Hill - Legislator
Grand National - Lake
Oxmoor Valley - Valley
Crag Burn
Poppy Hills
London Hunt
Spyglass Hill
Inverrary CC - East
Inverrary CC - West
Celebration
Mauna Kea
Prairie View
Boyne Highlands - The Heather
Point O'Woods
Treetops - Masterpiece
The Dunes
The Homestead - Lower Cascades
Atlanta Athletic Club - Highlands
Half Moon
Valderrama
Kananaskis - Mt. Lorette


Tom McBroom (23)

1. Rocky Crest
2. Oviinbyrd
3. National Pines

Royal St Kitts
Wildfire
Cranberry
Deerhurst
Hockley Valley
National Pines
Oviinbyrd
Parry Sound
Raven at Lora Bay
Ridge at Manitou
Rocky Crest
The Lake Joseph Club
Deer Ridge
Fire Rock
Heron Point
Legends - Battlefield
Donalda Club
Glencairn
Granite Club
King's Riding
Rattlesnake Point - Copperhead
Rattlesnake Point - Sidewinder
Le Geant


Arnold Palmer (20)

1. Tralee
2. Sawgrass CC
3. Teton Pines

Aviara
Eagle Ranch
Legacy Golf Club
Saddlebrook - Palmer
Frenchman's Reserve
PGA National - Palmer
Bay Hill
Kapalua - Bay
Kapalua - Village
TPC at Piper Glen
Myrtle Beach National - King's North
Myrtle Beach National - West
Barton Creek - Palmer Lakeside
Kingsmill - Plantation
The Bog
The K club
Teton Pines
Hapuna Beach


Rene Muyalert (19)

St Andrew's Valley
Brooklea
Heritage Hills
Horseshoe - Highlands
Horseshoe - Valley
Tangle Creek
Greenhills
Indian Wells
Oaks (The)
Caledon Country Club
Diamondback
Emerald Hills
Glen Cedars
Glen Eagle
Mill Run
Nobleton Lakes
North Halton
Pheasant Run
Richmond Hill


Stanley Thompson (20)

1. St George's
2. Westmount
3. Kawartha

Banff Springs
Cataraqui
Couchiching
Beach Grove
Brantford
Cutten Club
Kawartha
Highland CC
St. Thomas
Sunningdale - Thompson
Westmount
Credit Valley
Islington
Whirlpool
Brampton
Highland Gate
Oakdale
St. George's
Thornhill
Montebello


Doug Carrick (17)

1. Bigwin Island
2. Osprey Valley Hoot
3. Muskoka Bay Club

Cobble Beach
Legends - Ussher's Creek
Angus Glen - South
Ballantrae
Copper Creek
Eagle's Nest
Glenway
Greystone
King Valley
Mandarin
Osprey Valley - Heathlands
Osprey Valley - Hoot
Osprey Valley - Toot
Magna
Muskoka Bay Club
Angus Glen - North


Donald Ross (19)

1. Plainfield CC
2. Franklin Hills
3. Pinehurst No. 2

East Lake
Plainfield
Detroit GC
Oakland Hills (South)
Oak Hill CC - East
CC of Buffalo
Carloina GC
Charlotte CC
Mid-Pines
Pine Needles
Inverness
Pinehurst No. 2
Aronimink
Grove Park Inn
The Homestead - Old
Essex
Roseland
Rosedale
Franklin Hills


Arthur Hills (13)

1. Oitavos Dunes - I believe there is also credit due to Drew Rogers
2. Mirasol - Sunset
3. Newport National

Half Moon Bay - Ocean
Journey at Pechanga
Palencia
Ironhorse
Mirasol - Sunset
Shepherd's Hollow
TPC at Eagle Trace
Bay Harbor (Links/Quarry)
Fox Hills - Golden Fox
Legacy Club
Newport National
Palmetto Dunes - Hills


Michael Hurdzan (10)

1. Devil's Paintbrush
2. Calusa Pines
3. Devil's Pulpit

Raven at Three Peaks
Royal Woodbine
Devil's Pulpit
Georgian Bay Club
Calusa Pines
Harvest Hill
Bond Head - North
Bond Head - South
Le Diable


Rees Jones (11)

1. Victory Ranch
2. Cascata
3. Haig Point

Legend Trail
Naples Grande
Falcon's Fire
Waldorf Astoria
Victory Ranch
Reynold's Plantation - Occonee
Cascata
Pinehurst No. 7
Haig Point (Calibougie)
Grand Niagara
Three Creek Ranch


And a couple archies of interest:

Coore/Crenshaw (9)

1. Sand Hills
3. Dormie Club
3. Colorado

Talking Stick - North
We-Ko-Pa - Saugaro
Sugarloaf Mountain
Kapalua - Plantation
Bandon Trails
Barton Creek - Crenshaw Cliffside
Sand Hills
Colorado GC
Dormie Club


Tom Doak (

1. Ballyneal
2. Rock Creek
3. Sebonack

Beechtree Golf Club
Old MacDonald
Pacific Dunes
Tumble Creek
Rock Creek Cattle Co
Ballyneal
Sebonack
Common Ground


Colt / Colt & Alison (6)

1. Toronto Golf Club (Pre reno)
Sea Island - Seaside
Royal Liverpool
Muirfield
Hamilton
Orchard Lake


Jim Engh (6)

1. Lakota Canyon Ranch
St Ives - Tullymore
Club at Pradera
Sanctuary
True North
Awarii Dunes


Greg Norman (9)

1. Doonbeg
PGA West - Norman
Red Sky - Norman
Doral White
Champions Gate - International
Champions Gate - National
Ritz Carlton Grand Lakes
El Camaleon
Wyndance


Willie Park Jr. (4)

1. Sunningdale (Old)
Olympia Fields (North)
Maidstone
Weston


RTJ Jr. (9)

1. Chambers Bay
Spanish Bay
Prairie Landing
Lucayan Reef
Pierre Marques
Seneca Hickory Stick
Four Seasons Golf Course Nevis
Jackson Hole
Chateau Whistler

[Michael George]

although some of us may not be the biggest fans of his work, i would hate to include Tom Fazio from that list.

Fazio has been added.  Merely an oversight.  I actually like most Fazio courses.  Plus, I think the answers to the Nicklaus and Fazio designs will be the most interesting.

Mark:

That is really impressive.  I have a feeling that you had it saved somewhere.

[Keith OHalloran]

Mark, you are an animal!
I assume that after the favorite 1,2, or 3, the rest are not listed in order?
And did you give Doak double credit for Sebonack as some sore of Freudian slip.  

[Bill Brightly]

Mark, you are an animal!

+1

Mark, did you have that list ready or did you create it just for this post? Amazing.

[Chris_Blakely]

Devereux Emmet:

1.) Huntington CC
2.) Leatherstocking
3.) St. George's G & CC
4.) Weeburn CC
5.) McGregor Links

Chris

[Joe_Tucholski]

Mark, you are an animal!
I assume that after the favorite 1,2, or 3, the rest are not listed in order?
And did you give Doak double credit for Sebonack as some sore of Freudian slip.  

Keith, it looks like Mark ranked his top three and then also included them in the complete list of courses for the architect.

Mark, that is pretty intense.  I don't have a single architect where I've played 10 of their courses (unless you count Unknown).

Of the architects I've played 4 or more courses
Gene Bates- Circling Raven
Pete Dye- Bulle Rock
RTJ- Spyglass
RTJ Jr - Chambers Bay
William Bell- Torrey Pines South
William Flynn- Homestead Cascades

[Tom_Doak]

Tom Doak (

1. Ballyneal
2. Rock Creek
3. Sebonack

Pacific Dunes not in my top three?  That's an outlier of a viewpoint, especially from someone who hasn't played Barnbougle, either.

Then again, I wouldn't agree with your top choices for Nicklaus or Fazio or Dye, either, Mark.

[Keith OHalloran]

Thanks Joe, I didn't see him do that for any other architect, so I took a swing at humor. I guess it is back to the batting cages for me huh?

[Tim Martin]

Mark-I am both impressed and exhausted from reading your lists.

[Bart Bradley]

Of the ones I have seen:

Doak:  Ballyneal  runner up:  Pac Dunes
C and C:  Sand Hills  runner up:  Bandon Trails
Thompson:  Banff Springs  runner up:  Jasper
Flynn:  Shinnecock  runner up:  Cascades
Phillips:  Kingsbarns runner up:  Cal Club
Nicklaus:  Sycamore Hills  runner up:  PGA West Nicklaus
Simpson:  Morfontaine  runner up:  Cruden Bay, Fountainbleau
Fazio:  Dallas National runner up:  Diamond Creek
RTJ:  Mauna Kea runner up: Spyglass Hill
Mackenzie:  Crystal Downs  runner up:  Meadow
Devries:  Kingsley  runner up:  The Mines
Dye: Ocean Course at Kiawah  runner up:  The Honors
Palmer:  Tralee
Raynor:  Yeamans runner up: The Creek Club
Strantz:  Bull's Bay  runner up:  Caledonia
Player:  Fancourt Links by far

Bart

[Mark Saltzman]

Mark:

That is really impressive.  I have a feeling that you had it saved somewhere.

Michael,

I have a list of every course I've ever played and I have the same list organized by architect (and another list organizing by decade of construction).

I have never ranked the courses of the individual architect and did that quickly tonight.  I reserve the right to change the order when I look over them (for example I realized I forgot about Kiawah (Ocean)).

I assume that after the favorite 1,2, or 3, the rest are not listed in order?
And did you give Doak double credit for Sebonack as some sore of Freudian slip.  

Keith,

You're right, the rest are not listed in any particular order.

And no slip, sometimes I cut and paste and other times it is double-listed.  Apologies for the confusion.

Pacific Dunes not in my top three?  That's an outlier of a viewpoint, especially from someone who hasn't played Barnbougle, either.

Then again, I wouldn't agree with your top choices for Nicklaus or Fazio or Dye, either, Mark.

Tom,

I was questioned in the "Whip it Out" thread about my low ranking of Pac Dunes as well.  The one time I visited Bandon the experience was about as far from positive as could be possible (all external factors, nothing to do with the golf or resort).  While I have 'played' Pacific Dunes and Old Mac and thus are included on my list, I would not rank them.

I have no doubt my Nicklaus pick is debatable, as is my Dye pick (though I have changed it to Kiawah Ocean), but what to you is Fazio's best?

And does that mean you agree with all my other picks?  Ross, S. Thompson, McBroom, RTJ?

[Tim Bert]

Mark - interesting that Sebonack is number three on your Doak list but is not on you Nicklaus list at all. Would it be #1 if you included it there?

[Mark Saltzman]

Mark - interesting that Sebonack is number three on your Doak list but is not on you Nicklaus list at all. Would it be #1 if you included it there?

Yep, definitely.  I don't know why, but when I think Sebonack I think Doak much more than I think Nicklaus (though in no way am I claiming it is more Doak or Nicklaus or anything) and as a result I have it on my Doak list.

[Peter Ferlicca]

I haven't played the amount of courses as much as others have on this site (not even close, well everyone looks miniscule compared to Saltzman)

Doak-  Pacific Dunes,  Ballyneal, RCCC, Old Mac, Stone Eagle, Tumble, Commonground
Nicklaus- Cabo Del Sol, Pronghorn Nicklaus, Idaho Club, all the ones in the desert
George Thomas- LACC, Riveria, Red Hill
Fazio- Aldarra, all the ones in the desert, and preserve
Dye- Crooked Stick, La Quinta Mountain, all the ones in Indiana and the desert
Weiskopf- Adams Mountain CCFaldo- Shadowridge, Southern Dunes
Engh- Club at Black Rock, Redlands Mesa
Vernon Macan- BroadmoorPalmer- Tradition Club (very underrated), all his courses in the desert, prospector
Ted Robinson- Vista Valley, Sahalee (IMO very overrated)
Max Behr- Rancho Santa Fe, Victoria
John Fought- Sand Hollow, Indian Wells GR Players
Robert Trent Jones Jr. - Chambers Bay

[Mark Pearce]

Then again, I wouldn't agree with your top choices for Nicklaus or Fazio or Dye, either, Mark.

But you might his Colt choice?  An exhausting list but some odd preferences, it seems.

[Michael George]

Ross - Brookside (Canton)
Flynn - Country Club (PP)
Dye - Pete Dye GC
Nicklaus - Muirfield Village
Doak - Pacific Dunes
Hurzdan/Fry - Calusa Pines
Weiskopf - Forest Dunes

[Terry Lavin]

Mark,

I think that's a good post for the nerd column:  you know you're a gca nerd if you have a list of all courses played organized by architect..

Then again, I'm guessing a bunch of us will now try to  create such a list...

[jonathan_becker]

MG,

I'll pick guys that I've at least played more than a couple of their courses

C&C- Friar's Head, Bandon Trails
Doak- Old Mac, Pacific Dunes
Dye- The Golf Club, Kiawah
Fazio- Butler, WWPB
Flynn- Shinnecock, TCCPP
Nicklaus- Sebonack, Muirfield Village (i guess)
Ross- Seminole, Canton Brookside
Strantz- Tobacco Road, Caledonia

[Mac Plumart]

A few more...

Colt/Alision---Sea Island/Seaside, Old Elm, Muirfield

Herbert Strong---Canterbury, Inwood

RT Jones---AAC Highlands, AAC Riverside, Eugene CC, Ponte Vedra

Art Hills---Longaberger, Golf Club of GA Lakeside and Creekside, Standard Club (really a Mike Riley re-do), Olde Atlanta, Shaker Run

Bob Cupp—Hawk’s Ridge, Druid Hills, Setindown, John A. White

Rees Jones---Cascata, Piedmont Driving Club, Rio Secco, Echelon, Charlie Yates, East Lake

Mike Strantz—Tobacoo Road, Stonehouse

Gary Player---Mission Hills, Champions Retreat, Cougar Point

Dennis Griffiths---St. Marlo, River Pines, Legends, Crystal Lake

Tom Morris---Muirfield, Balcomie, Askernish, I won’t count The Old Course

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