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Anthony Gray

Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« on: October 25, 2011, 08:54:59 AM »


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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2011, 09:29:27 AM »
Not any on good sites... Because by bulldozing them you are already putting yourself at a disadvantage...

There are plenty of examples on average sites...
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BCrosby

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2011, 09:45:03 AM »
No. None.

Any golf course is better than no golf course.

Bob
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Will MacEwen

Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2011, 09:52:22 AM »
Cruden Bay. 












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Garland Bayley

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2011, 10:08:24 AM »
Quote from: Will MacEwen on October 25, 2011, 09:52:22 AM
Cruden Bay. 

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I hear Cruden Bay could use a few nips a tucks. Removing the sidewalls to the bathtub green, straightening and removing blindness from the dogleg par 3, etc.
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Anthony Gray

Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2011, 10:22:32 AM »
Quote from: Garland Bayley on October 25, 2011, 10:08:24 AM
Quote from: Will MacEwen on October 25, 2011, 09:52:22 AM
Cruden Bay. 

...

I hear Cruden Bay could use a few nips a tucks. Removing the sidewalls to the bathtub green, straightening and removing blindness from the dogleg par 3, etc.


  You are no longer diety.

 
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Melvyn Morrow

Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2011, 10:35:40 AM »

The one and only Satin Bug, The Seventh among the Angles Angels, The Young Pretender, fake to its core, golf's Deadly Sin known by its name ‘The Castle Course’. Are we certain it’s not a Trump development?

Melvyn

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Garland Bayley

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2011, 10:38:31 AM »
Quote from: Anthony Gray on October 25, 2011, 10:22:32 AM
Quote from: Garland Bayley on October 25, 2011, 10:08:24 AM
Quote from: Will MacEwen on October 25, 2011, 09:52:22 AM
Cruden Bay. 

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I hear Cruden Bay could use a few nips a tucks. Removing the sidewalls to the bathtub green, straightening and removing blindness from the dogleg par 3, etc.


  You are no longer diety.

 

I asked Rees Jones about Cruden Bay, and that's what he said. Don't shoot the messenger. Are you saying you know better than someone involved in Golf Architecture for a lifetime?




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Melvyn Morrow

Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2011, 11:00:30 AM »


Garland

Looking at today’s standards then I must say Anthony is right and  Rees is out of touch - but then is that not the problem with today’s game and course. Hell nothing is 100% perfect, not EVEN ME, although I am close at 99.99% ;)

Melvyn

PS

Anthony   Shoot the bloody messenger :o

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Jeff Taylor

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2011, 11:34:05 AM »
Harbor Course @ Wild Dunes, South Carolina
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Sean_A

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2011, 11:36:40 AM »
I would like to see old Head bulldozed and put back to what it should be.  Same for Trump Aberdeen.  As far as trying to improve the course, my vote is for Hillside.  That property is awesome and the course doesn't do it any sort of justice.

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Alex Miller

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2011, 11:42:48 AM »
Quote from: BCrosby on October 25, 2011, 09:45:03 AM
No. None.

Any golf course is better than no golf course.

Bob

Really? Even if a dramatic improvement could be made?

I'd like to bulldoze Trump LA.
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BCrosby

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2011, 01:24:10 PM »
Alex -

If the question is keepng or eliminating a gc, them I'm for keeping it, however bad it is.

It's a different - and easier - question to ask if there are courses that could be improved by taking them back down to the dirt. 

Bob

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Gary Slatter

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2011, 01:31:32 PM »
Quote from: Jeff Taylor on October 25, 2011, 11:34:05 AM
Harbor Course @ Wild Dunes, South Carolina
why?  10 years ago I thought the course was very good, I prefer the first five and last 4 holes.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2011, 02:28:18 PM »
Many times changing existing maintenance practice could turn a course you might like to bulldoze into one that you might like. The obvious example is courses where there has been excessive tree planting. Other examples are unnecessary artificial ponds that could be drained, penal rough that could be mowed, etc.
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Jeff Taylor

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2011, 03:06:47 PM »
Quote from: Gary Slatter on October 25, 2011, 01:31:32 PM
Quote from: Jeff Taylor on October 25, 2011, 11:34:05 AM
Harbor Course @ Wild Dunes, South Carolina
why?  10 years ago I thought the course was very good, I prefer the first five and last 4 holes.

4th hole is ridiculous. The sidewalk of an approach fairway is damn near imposible to hit if you have to lay up. Fairway mowed too narror for the average player. Then there is the 1 mile commute to the next tee. Not every course that has been built should have been built. While there are some good holes on the course, the world is no better off that it was built.

Probably a bit harsh but it seemed like they built a short narrow golf course because that is all the land they had. Have you played Harbortown? I have not. I wonder if they are similar.
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George Pazin

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2011, 03:48:39 PM »
Quote from: BCrosby on October 25, 2011, 09:45:03 AM
No. None.

Any golf course is better than no golf course.

Bob

Along these lines, there is a little 9 hole mom and pop'er near me that went NLE. I'd like to bulldoze the scrub that has grown over and build another. It was the ego building course of all-time - can't remember ever reaching a 510 yard par 5 with two 5 irons before... :)

I'm sure everyone would support bulldozing Cypress and building the Raynor version, once the plans are found...
« Last Edit: October 25, 2011, 03:50:48 PM by George Pazin »
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Bruce Wellmon

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze? New
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2011, 04:08:39 PM »
Rocky River Concord, NC
Played it once. Not going back.
 And they built a drag strip literally next door.
 Wish I knew how to do a google map picture. Classic.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2011, 01:17:01 AM by Bruce Wellmon »
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2011, 04:10:02 PM »
Quote from: BCrosby on October 25, 2011, 09:45:03 AM
No. None.

Any golf course is better than no golf course.

Bob

Agreed.

But here is what I wish could happen:  if a course had multiple architects put in proposals, have each of those hung in the clubhouse for comparison and "what could have been".  But I'm thinking not many clubs would ever do that!
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Ken Fry

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2011, 04:23:02 PM »
High Pointe.



After bulldozing down all the overgrowth, have the course shaped back up, seed it and get it open again!

Ken
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Carl Rogers

Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2011, 04:45:28 PM »
Torrey Pines
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Alex Miller

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2011, 04:50:17 PM »
Quote from: Carl Rogers on October 25, 2011, 04:45:28 PM
Torrey Pines

That facility for the locals is still an excellent place to go play golf. There's not much good golf architecture in San Diego, so why would you bulldoze one of the best places to play?
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Ian Andrew

Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2011, 04:57:03 PM »
Essentially your asking what is a great site with a bad golf course....
« Last Edit: October 25, 2011, 06:01:38 PM by Ian Andrew »
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Carl Rogers

Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2011, 04:57:23 PM »
Quote from: Alex Miller on October 25, 2011, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: Carl Rogers on October 25, 2011, 04:45:28 PM
Torrey Pines

That facility for the locals is still an excellent place to go play golf. There's not much good golf architecture in San Diego, so why would you bulldoze one of the best places to play?
It just strikes me as a very inept effort on an incredible site while spending ultra high $.
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David Cronheim

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Re: Is there a course you would like to bulldoze?
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2011, 05:17:15 PM »
Quote from: Jeff Taylor on October 25, 2011, 11:34:05 AM
Harbor Course @ Wild Dunes, South Carolina

As long as you don't bulldoze the other course - it's where I had my only ace! The Harbor Course isn't my favorite, but it really wasn't that bad. Spread out, yes (incredibly so if you've never played it), but it's better than having only one course.
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