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James Boon

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Cavendish GC, Derbyshire: 5,500yards of MacKenzie magic!
« on: September 21, 2011, 03:29:17 PM »
Though we’ve already had a couple of excellent phototours of Cavendish, thanks to Tommy Williamson
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,34493.0/
and Sean Arble
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,41162.0.html
after a couple of trips there this year, and this being a real favourite, I hope you don’t mind a few more pictures. Plenty of history in the discussions on the previous threads so I’ll keep this one simple…

All yardages from the yellow tees, as these re the ones most likely to be played by a visitor.

Hole 1
334 yards
Par 4
A relatively gentle start, but a decent clue as to what is to follow. The drive is from a series of different tees that step up the hillside, and across a rough ravine to a pretty wide fairway that slopes significantly. But then so do plenty of the holes at Cavendish.


The approach to a pretty small green with bunkers right and drop off left


Hole 2
308 yards
Par 4
You double back on yourself a little higher up the hill. The tee shot does play slightly uphill and as the tricky part of this hole is approaching the green, the decision of trying to get as close as possible or laying back for a full shot. Here is the view from the fairway


And from left of the green you can see the difficulty of the narrow green, the drystone wall behind, the hollow short. In the distance, further down the hill, you can see the first tees, and clubhouse. This green was actually enlarged recently as there used to be a small bunker back right.


Hole 3
281 yards
Par 4
A fantastic downhill short par 4, that allows even modest hitters to have a chance of sneaking on onto the green. The funny thing is that though this is one of my favourite holes on the course, it was originally designed by MacKenzie to be a much longer hole, driving down to the current green and then an approach to a green in the field behind, though it turns out the club couldn’t use the field in the end.


From short right you can see how a ball needs to be ran in from this side. Even if the second is a pitch shot it will almost certainly need to be played out well right to get close to the hole, especially if the flag is at the back


From behind the green, you can see the narrow gap between rough and bunkers that a shot needs to be fed through to get on the green from the tee.


Hole 4
121 yards
Par 3
A wider view of the short drop shot par 3. The mound on the right is also the location of the tee for holes 5 and 17 as well as the green for 16. Further in the distance you can see holes 17 and 6 as well as the tees for 7 and 18.


Hole 5
411 yards
Par 4
Like quite a few holes at Cavendish it doesn’t look much on the card, but playing uphill and often into the wind this is a tough hole.


The green is raised up with a false front, and is benched into the side of an embankment. MacKenzie makes splendid use of this feature on this hole and also the 14 green and 6 and 15 tees. The embankment was in fact formed to be part of the Buxton to Manchester railway that never got completed.


Hole 6
406 yards
Par 4
From a raised tee, back down to a wide fairway, the approach is then to a great little greensite, protected by the bunkers and a tree, and plenty of interesting undulations in the green and around


The view from behind


Hole 7
300 yards
Par 4
A big hitter can go for this, but the woods right will gobble up anything blocked right. A ditch across the fairway, is actually a recent addition, pretty shallow and can be ran through if you prefer a shorter approach


Hole 8
361 yards
Par 4
A wander through the woods to the next tee, and the ground appear to all fall away left. This will possibly tempt you to hug the trees on the right, but the ideal position is actually left centre, aimed at the marker post, just on the edge of the fall off.


You can see how any approach from the right must get past the menacing front bunker as there is still quite a bit of green behind this.


Hole 9
131 yards
Par 3
Another short drop shot par 3 to a recently rebuilt green. Plenty of interest in this green, but it feels bigger than a lot of the greens on the course and therefore a little out of place


So the front nine is 2,653 yards and a par of 34. Certainly not the longest, and plenty of birdie chances, but a few stern tests also.

Hole 10
415 yards
Par 4
A cracking par 4 to get the back nine under way. The hole doglegs to the left and the drive must take on a rough drop off to the left to get a shorter shot in. A bail out right leaves a much longer shot and there is OOB on the outside of the dogleg.


The approach is over a stream and small cliff. Not for the faint hearted!


Hole 11
396 yards
Par 4
A narrow drive that gets narrower further down. The second is played from the higher plateau, over the stream again and down to another wickedly undulating green. This picture from a conservative tee shot, doesn’t do the approach justice I’m afraid.


Hole 12
342 yards
Par 4
Possibly the one mediocre hole on the course which may explain the lack of pictures I’m afraid. It runs across level ground to a green that is actually pretty decent.

Hole 13
178 yards
Par 3
Mackenzie again utilises a par 3 to get across some tricky ground. This one plays uphill to a green with a hint of a Redan. Your approach needs to be played out right, a little draw will help, over the front bunker, and it should feed back round to the green nicely.


The view from behind shows the shape of the green


Hole 14
488 yards
Par 5
The only par 5 and a dogleg to the left. If you take on the tree and drystone wall off the tee, then the green is easily in reach in two shots.


The wall again pinches in on the layup short of the green as can be seen on this picture. You need to get as close as you can to the wall to give a good chance to go for the green in two, but if you cant make it, the lay up is then very tricky as you try to steer away from the wall and end up in the right rough. However, a conservative tee shot will leave a relatively straightforward layup.


The green sits at the end of the railway embankment mentioned earlier and has a big false front.


From behind you can see how the drystone wall hugs the fairway all around the dogleg.


Hole 15
108 yards
Par 3
A great little par 3 at the far end of the course, surrounded by Derbyshire hills, playing from knob to knob so to speak and to a green with some great undulations. You can use the back slope to get the ball back onto the green, but if you accidentally carry it, its an impossible shot  back. Also, anything long, if kicking back a little too strongly can easily run right back off the front, between the bunkers, leaving a devilish shot back.


The green as seen from the left


Hole 16
391 yards
Par 4
The downhill drive is to a wickedly sloping fairway


And if the downhill approach is to be ran in, you must avoid bunkers and a knob just short left of the green, but don’t go long or its real trouble!


The view from behind the green


Hole 17
154 yards
Par 3
The last par 3, and its another interesting green with plenty of undulation


Hole 18
427 yards
Par 4
The last drive is to a rolling fairway that runs round to the right. Your drive needs to be either up the right or long enough to reach the far plateau otherwise you wont have a view of the green, and with a lot of club in hand.


The long approach needs to carry all the way, due to the slope short of the green. As the ground falls away to the right also, you may be tempted to bail a little left but the bunker and clubhouse beckon!


The back nine adds up to 2,899 yards, par 34 which gives a total of 5,552 yards from the yellows to a par of 68. The medal tees stretch the course to 5,721 yards but I don’t think it will feel that short, mainly due to a series of par 4s that might not be 470 yard monsters but 4 or 5 of them can be really tough.

The one disappointment of my recent visit was the conditioning of the course, which was pretty lush. They get plenty of rain in that part of the World, but it was as soft and wet as I’ve ever played it. But this is a minor gripe about a course that may be short on length but is long, very long, on character!

Cheers,

James
« Last Edit: September 25, 2011, 04:22:02 AM by James Boon »
2023 Highlights: Hollinwell, Brora, Parkstone, Cavendish, Hallamshire, Sandmoor, Moortown, Elie, Crail, St Andrews (Himalayas & Eden), Chantilly, M, Hardelot Les Pins

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John Mayhugh

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Re: Cavendish GC, Derbyshire: 5,500yards of MacKenzie magic!
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 05:41:27 PM »
Nice to see these photos, especially the one from the left of the second green.  What a great course.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Cavendish GC, Derbyshire: 5,500yards of MacKenzie magic!
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2011, 06:09:26 PM »
The par 3 13th is very reminiscent of # 11 at Alwoodley, and, although I've only seen photos, "Gibralter" at Moortown.  A Mackenzie template?

And the 15th is certainly very similar to # 8 at Porthcawl, beautiful stone wall.

Sean_A

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Re: Cavendish GC, Derbyshire: 5,500yards of MacKenzie magic!
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2011, 07:38:57 AM »
Boony

Thanks for a tour of wonderful Cavendish.  I need to get back there, but I fear the season is lost and I be better off waiting til next year.

The course is deceptively severe.  Do you think Dr Mac did a wet design - meaning it was not designed to be f&f?

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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Cavendish GC, Derbyshire: 5,500yards of MacKenzie magic!
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2011, 08:30:25 PM »
Thanks for the tour. I think Cavendish is just brilliant. Numbers four, ten, and eighteen are wonderful par fours and nine and fifteen are superb short par threes. it is also in a splendid setting.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Cavendish GC, Derbyshire: 5,500yards of MacKenzie magic!
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2011, 11:11:45 PM »
Thank you, James. How few today -- or even yesterday - would have used that land the same way Mackenzie did. What a shame.  I imagine the dozens of lovely and modest little Cavendishes that might've dotted the landscapes of North America, but don't.  All the minor Mackenzie and Colt masterpieces; and so few architects -- then or now -- willing or able to embrace the "minor" part of that equation.

Peter  

 
« Last Edit: September 22, 2011, 11:15:40 PM by PPallotta »

Ben Stephens

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Re: Cavendish GC, Derbyshire: 5,500yards of MacKenzie magic!
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2011, 04:07:42 AM »
Boony

Aww no mention of my amazing eagle on 10!!  ;D a PW from 150 yards and you saw it! as well as me almost hitting 'Sir' Lorne Smith on the green from the 7th tee!

Great to see the other GCA'ers but most of all I can't wait to get back to Cavendish thanks to your pics!

Cheers
Ben

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: Cavendish GC, Derbyshire: 5,500yards of MacKenzie magic!
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2011, 12:34:20 PM »
Nice set of photos, James, despite the cloud cover. You capture the architectural points well.

Having played quite a number of the MacKenzie courses in and around the Pennines I don't think any have greens of such diversity and interest as these. Perhaps that is because these are comparatively late in MacKenzie's English career. I've only played two of MacKenzie's American courses, Pasatiempo and Mill Valley, but I think you can see elements of Cavendish (and its greens in particular) which have been continued and further developed in the States.

I also like the routing at Cavendish in the way that the course unfolds through several separate tracts of land, yet you come back to points in common such as the 5th tee/16th green/17th tee and the 6th tee/15th tee and 5th and 14th greens. You could say that it is a failing, however, that it is a bit of a routemarch to reach the 8th tee from the clubhouse for an alternative starting point. But it's a minor criticism of an inspiring course.

Richard Crumb

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Re: Cavendish GC, Derbyshire: 5,500yards of MacKenzie magic!
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2011, 01:34:49 PM »
I had the pleasure of playing at Cavendish earlier this summer.  It was my only encounter (so far) with the doctor's work.  A very enjoyable course in all regards.  Great routing on that piece of land with some very memorable holes.  A true gem and well worth the trip to Buxton.

James Boon

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Re: Cavendish GC, Derbyshire: 5,500yards of MacKenzie magic!
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2011, 03:51:31 AM »
All,

Thanks for the kind words.

Sean,

I see where you are coming from with Mackenzie maybe laying this out as a wet course rather than firm and fast. My recent trips there really have been a case of it being soft underfoot, but even though you could throw a ball at a green knowing it wasn't going to run off to far, the slopes and contours still really came into play.

I recall playing Cavendish when I was much younger, when it was very firm and dry and some of the fairways, 16 in particular, were virtually impossible to hold! So maybe he did take the local weather into account?

Bill,

Indeed, I suppose the 13th is also similar to Gibralter at Moortown, not identical, but certainly a very similar feel to it!

Cheers,

James
2023 Highlights: Hollinwell, Brora, Parkstone, Cavendish, Hallamshire, Sandmoor, Moortown, Elie, Crail, St Andrews (Himalayas & Eden), Chantilly, M, Hardelot Les Pins

"It celebrates the unadulterated pleasure of being in a dialogue with nature while knocking a ball round on foot." Richard Pennell

James Boon

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Re: Cavendish GC, Derbyshire: 5,500yards of MacKenzie magic!
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2011, 03:51:59 AM »
Buxton Putting Course

I’ve also made a recent trip back to Buxton, and while walking through the town’s Pavilion Gardens, came across the Mackenzie putting course, previously discussed by Mr Crafter and Mr Rowlinson
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,37383.0.html
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,37481.0.html

Here are the pictures I took





Set out across a slope, there are various humps and hollows that would clearly have been the position for the holes, and when walking across the area, even though it’s a long time since it was cut as a putting green, you can really get a feel for how much fun this would have been. If there was any chance of getting even part of this putting course restored, it would be fantastic!

Cheers,

James

2023 Highlights: Hollinwell, Brora, Parkstone, Cavendish, Hallamshire, Sandmoor, Moortown, Elie, Crail, St Andrews (Himalayas & Eden), Chantilly, M, Hardelot Les Pins

"It celebrates the unadulterated pleasure of being in a dialogue with nature while knocking a ball round on foot." Richard Pennell

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: Cavendish GC, Derbyshire: 5,500yards of MacKenzie magic!
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2011, 06:42:25 AM »
James,

I too thought that it would be great to see the putting course restored, but, of course, the chainsaw brigade would have to be called out first! There are several defunct putting courses up here, but there's also what could be an excellent pitch and putt course in The Carrs at Wilmslow. But it's not maintained properly. Such a shame

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