[PCCraig]

Pat,
Did his win at the Masters 2 springs ago add anything?  How about his final rd charge this
year at St Georges?  The guy is exciting and open about everything.  Probably too open...
I love how much he is getting to you haters

Adding to what? An American on the leaderboard? The game as a whole? He's not "exciting", he just has the driver yips and can't hit a fairway to save his life. If I'm in the trees/rough/bunker off every tee even I'm lucky enough to have one miraculous up and down or par save. Hence how the biggest myth in golf got started, that Phil Mickelson has a "great" short game.

[Bradley Anderson]

I'm with Terry.

Dill Pickleson's comments are very reckless.

The owners and staff of a club put their heart and soul into preparing their course for the best competition possible. The Tour Players should respect the clubs that host them. Maybe some day clubs will choose not to host these events anymore, if this is how they may be treated.

[Jud_T]

I'd just be happy if he finally started wearing a Manssiere.

[Phil McDade]

Hence how the biggest myth in golf got started, that Phil Mickelson has a "great" short game.

Yeah, look at all these crappy tee shots from par 3s at Augusta, and approach shots with short irons, and all of these lousy putts and chips at probably the most demanding short-game course in the game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDipTE-CS2M

[Jud_T]

Currently tied for 86th in putting from 8'.  That preshot routine is painful...I'd say he has a broom inside of 3 years...

[Tim Martin]

Pat,
Did his win at the Masters 2 springs ago add anything?  How about his final rd charge this
year at St Georges?  The guy is exciting and open about everything.  Probably too open...
I love how much he is getting to you haters

Adding to what? An American on the leaderboard? The game as a whole? He's not "exciting", he just has the driver yips and can't hit a fairway to save his life. If I'm in the trees/rough/bunker off every tee even I'm lucky enough to have one miraculous up and down or par save. Hence how the biggest myth in golf got started, that Phil Mickelson has a "great" short game.

Pat-Do you have your fingers and toes crossed when you make these types of statements? I know you are a hater but to say that he is not exciting and it`s a myth that he has a great short game is utter foolishness.

[JMEvensky]

Hence how the biggest myth in golf got started, that Phil Mickelson has a "great" short game.

I believe PM has won ~40 tournaments--including a PGA and 3 Masters.

Really think you want to diss any part of his game?

[George Pazin]

I don't get all the uproar. And I really don't understand the reckless comments. Could someone please explain that more in depth? (That's an honest request, not an attempt to trip up someone.)

And as before with Bubba Watson, I don't see how anyone can say he's phony without actually knowing him. There are many characteristics one can evaluate without knowing someone, but sincerity is not one of them, imho.

[PCCraig]

Hence how the biggest myth in golf got started, that Phil Mickelson has a "great" short game.

Yeah, look at all these crappy tee shots from par 3s at Augusta, and approach shots with short irons, and all of these lousy putts and chips at probably the most demanding short-game course in the game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDipTE-CS2M

I said he has the driver yips, not that he is a bad iron player.

Hey, Vijay won the Masters too with his short game.

[PCCraig]

Hence how the biggest myth in golf got started, that Phil Mickelson has a "great" short game.

I believe PM has won ~40 tournaments--including a PGA and 3 Masters.

Really think you want to diss any part of his game?

And if he had a short game he would/could of won upwards of 3 more majors.

[Kalen Braley]

I can see how Phil rubs some people the wrong way...

...but also count me in the group of Phil supporters.  The way I see it is like this.

Phil may not be correct about everything he spews concerning architecture, and his course may not be a world beater...but the point is he seems to be genuinely trying to do the right thing.  I'm baffled how his remarks at Cog Hill can be taken as anything but positive from the perspective of what GCA.com is supposed to be about.  Playable courses for the average hack, strategy, choices off the tee, etc. etc...aren't these all values we espouse?

As for his off the course pursuits, I don't see how anyone can criticze him because he's donated millions if not tens of millions to very good causes including veteran funds, cancer research, scientific learning programs for kids, etc.

But how about this though..what other current player has done more for the game on and off the course and been a greatful role model for people of all ages in the process?  I'm genuinely curious to know.

[PCCraig]

But how about this though..what other current player has done more for the game on and off the course and been a greatful role model for people of all ages in the process?  I'm genuinely curious to know.

Arnold Palmer for one.

[Kalen Braley]

But how about this though..what other current player has done more for the game on and off the course and been a greatful role model for people of all ages in the process?  I'm genuinely curious to know.

Arnold Palmer for one.

What I meant with current player is "currently active on the PGA Tour".  I should have been a bit more specific.

[Phil McDade]

But how about this though..what other current player has done more for the game on and off the course and been a greatful role model for people of all ages in the process?  I'm genuinely curious to know.

Arnold Palmer for one.

Oh, lordy lordy Pat -- that's like saying Shakespeare wrote more great literature than Tolstoy. No kidding!

Arnold is probably the most important figure golf has had in the last half-century. Unlike, well, nearly everyone else in golf, it's hard to find anything to say that's even remotely critical of Arnie. Maybe he was a poor putter in the waning stretches of his best days. That's about it.

By the way, you backtracked off your criticism of Lefty -- you said his "short game" is a myth. Hard for me to think anyone who's won at Augusta National three times -- which tests a player's short game perhaps more than any course regularly or semi-regularly played on Tour (name another that's remotely close) -- has a "myth" of a short game.

[Jud_T]

Arguably Tiger has done way more for the game.  As for off the course and grateful, that's another matter..

[JMEvensky]

Hence how the biggest myth in golf got started, that Phil Mickelson has a "great" short game.

I believe PM has won ~40 tournaments--including a PGA and 3 Masters.

Really think you want to diss any part of his game?

And if he had a short game he would/could of won upwards of 3 more majors.

It's always easy to spot guys whose sole knowledge of professional golfers comes from TV and Golf Digest.

[PCCraig]

Hence how the biggest myth in golf got started, that Phil Mickelson has a "great" short game.

I believe PM has won ~40 tournaments--including a PGA and 3 Masters.

Really think you want to diss any part of his game?

And if he had a short game he would/could of won upwards of 3 more majors.

It's always easy to spot guys whose sole knowledge of professional golfers comes from TV and Golf Digest.

And it's easy to spot people who have no idea what a short game is. Or for that matter, anything about golf.

[JMEvensky]

Hence how the biggest myth in golf got started, that Phil Mickelson has a "great" short game.

I believe PM has won ~40 tournaments--including a PGA and 3 Masters.

Really think you want to diss any part of his game?

And if he had a short game he would/could of won upwards of 3 more majors.

It's always easy to spot guys whose sole knowledge of professional golfers comes from TV and Golf Digest.

And it's easy to spot people who have no idea what a short game is. Or for that matter, anything about golf.

I admit it--your opinions on PGA Tour players are more valid than any of PM's peers whom I know.I apologize for doubting you.

[Adam Clayman]

George, Apparently anyone affiliated with the WGA, (or close friends who are) is going to have their panties in a knot over criticism of Cog Hill.

People are entitled to their opinion. But, one glaring fact is that to be both a great designer and a tour player is nearly impossible. The amount of time needed to do both well, is why.

[Ed Oden]

I don't get all the uproar. And I really don't understand the reckless comments. Could someone please explain that more in depth? (That's an honest request, not an attempt to trip up someone.)

George, take a look at the links I posted earlier relating to Phil's comments about Quail Hollow.  My personal opinion is that they were harmful.  He missed in the wrong place on a couple of holes (particularly the 18th that Saturday) and responded with extremely negative remarks about the greens generally, resulting in a movement to soften contours solely to accommodate the concerns of pros (arguably just one) under tournament conditions present a single week each year.  His comments were (again, just my opinion) detrimental to the interests of the members who must pay for and live with any changes to their course and also to the interests of golfers generally by reinforcing that features which are sometimes unfair should be removed or softened.  I have nothing against Phil and don't believe that his comments about Quail mean that he hasn't had and won't continue to have a positive influence on GCA through his other actions.  But I am also unwilling to assume that his thoughts and comments are always for the better.  

[George Pazin]

Interesting thoughts, Ed, I will look at your links, thanks.

I will say, off the top of my head, any course that chooses to make changes based on one guy's criticisms pretty much deserves what it gets. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I think it is incumbent upon everyone to listen to criticism and respond in the proper manner.

[PCCraig]

Pat,
Did his win at the Masters 2 springs ago add anything?  How about his final rd charge this
year at St Georges?  The guy is exciting and open about everything.  Probably too open...
I love how much he is getting to you haters

Adding to what? An American on the leaderboard? The game as a whole? He's not "exciting", he just has the driver yips and can't hit a fairway to save his life. If I'm in the trees/rough/bunker off every tee even I'm lucky enough to have one miraculous up and down or par save. Hence how the biggest myth in golf got started, that Phil Mickelson has a "great" short game.

Good Lord. If I didn't know better (come to think of it, I don't), I would venture a guess that you call into radio sports shows under the nom de plume, Bernie from Berwyn.....

Let me guess, you're that guy who stands just outside the ropes with your fist out waiting for Phil to fist bumb you back, make a goofy grin, and give you one of those George W. Bush thumbs up? 

[PCCraig]

Pat,
Did his win at the Masters 2 springs ago add anything?  How about his final rd charge this
year at St Georges?  The guy is exciting and open about everything.  Probably too open...
I love how much he is getting to you haters

Adding to what? An American on the leaderboard? The game as a whole? He's not "exciting", he just has the driver yips and can't hit a fairway to save his life. If I'm in the trees/rough/bunker off every tee even I'm lucky enough to have one miraculous up and down or par save. Hence how the biggest myth in golf got started, that Phil Mickelson has a "great" short game.

Good Lord. If I didn't know better (come to think of it, I don't), I would venture a guess that you call into radio sports shows under the nom de plume, Bernie from Berwyn.....

Let me guess, you're that guy who stands just outside the ropes with your fist out waiting for Phil to fist bumb you back, make a goofy grin, and give you one of those George W. Bush thumbs up? 

Surely you are capable of more than this.....

Do you yell "YOU DA MAN" too?!?!   

[David Kelly]

While I'm at it, I will say that several friends are Whisper Rock members and they just love the club and Phil's layout. I'm sure it's great, not that anybody is suggesting that it's up to tour standards.

No, they would need to bring in Rees to get it up to "tour standards."

[Terry Lavin]

While I'm at it, I will say that several friends are Whisper Rock members and they just love the club and Phil's layout. I'm sure it's great, not that anybody is suggesting that it's up to tour standards.

No, they would need to bring in Rees to get it up to "tour standards."

And wouldn't that beget a fun contretemps!

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