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paul cowley

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Has "Hope and Change" helped golf?
« on: September 05, 2011, 08:29:13 PM »
...or how has "Hope and Change" helped or harmed golf?
« Last Edit: September 05, 2011, 08:31:20 PM by paul cowley »
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Mac Plumart

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Re: Has "Hope and Change" helped golf?
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2011, 08:31:13 PM »
Well, if golf is a derivative of the economy...it has hurt golf.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

paul cowley

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Re: Has "Hope and Change" helped golf?
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2011, 08:33:53 PM »
Think positive Mac...lt's lowered greens fees!
« Last Edit: September 05, 2011, 08:38:04 PM by paul cowley »
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Mac Plumart

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Re: Has "Hope and Change" helped golf?
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2011, 08:34:21 PM »
 :)

You know what...that is true.

Membership fees are cheaper, per round fees are cheaper.  So, it is good for the golfer...but perhaps not great for the owner/operator.

Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Has "Hope and Change" helped golf?
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2011, 08:53:55 PM »
This is a very interesting question.

Income distribution in the US over the past 30 years has skewed toward the top 2-5%.  (Look it up!)

Middle class income has basically been flat for those 30 years.  Productivity is up 70% at the same

So what has the impact of those trends been on golf?   How does it effect high end privates?   Middle of the road privates?  Munis?  Public access investor owned?   New development and construction?
« Last Edit: September 05, 2011, 09:26:56 PM by Bill_McBride »

Mike_Young

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Re: Has "Hope and Change" helped golf?
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2011, 08:54:43 PM »
Ask Paul Azinger ;D ;D
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Bill_Yates

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Re: Has "Hope and Change" helped golf?
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2011, 09:10:19 PM »
If Obama is paying green fees - YES! 
Bill Yates
www.pacemanager.com 
"When you manage the pace of play, you manage the quality of golf."

John Kirk

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Re: Has "Hope and Change" helped golf?
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2011, 09:44:01 PM »
The question is largely irrelevant, because this administration's decisions have little impact.  The dominant economic reality is the continued unwinding of the real estate bubble of the 2000s.  Both Congress and the Federal Reserve have been manipulating the law and the money supply to avoid a severe collapse of real estate values.

I expect the relative price of golf and the number of operating courses to continue falling, though repeated quantitative easing events may make asset values look stable.

Your eternal optimist...

John


archie_struthers

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Re: Has "Hope and Change" helped golf?
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2011, 05:46:41 AM »
 ??? ??? ???

At some point the reduction of the number of courses will stabilize the price points , which have been falling. However the initial change may be in the way courses are managed and cared for. Look for less maintenance and amenities at the public venues, and a continued decline in the CCFAD that was so popular in the late 90's.

Adios , I'm off to Philly CC, a wonderful Flynn course in Philly.

Steve Lapper

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Re: Has "Hope and Change" helped golf?
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2011, 07:10:47 AM »
The question is largely irrelevant, because this administration's decisions have little impact.  The dominant economic reality is the continued unwinding of the real estate bubble of the 2000s.  Both Congress and the Federal Reserve have been manipulating the law and the money supply to avoid a severe collapse of real estate values.

I expect the relative price of golf and the number of operating courses to continue falling, though repeated quantitative easing events may make asset values look stable.

Your eternal optimist...

John




John has it 100% correct.

I'd also add that previous Administrations and Congresses have had a far greater impact on the state of golf with their re-jiggering of allowable tax deductions related to club memberships and development activities.

This super debt delationary cycle (largely, but not exclusively, RE-related) an event that we've not, as a contemporary US society, experienced since the early 1800s, and it is little but sheer folly to blame it on a single political administration's policies. It has taken years of greed, political corruption and willful ignorance, and compression of time frames to produce our present dilemma. Unfortunately, it will likely years longer to dig our way out of it. While it would certainly help if our politicians didn't purely pander to their $$ and re-election interests, people need to look longer in their own mirrors and less at their faux-ideological faiths to find the character to return to a longer-term American prosperity.
The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking."--John Kenneth Galbraith

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