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Craig Van Egmond

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2011, 10:21:21 AM »
 
A while back it was mentioned that they may call the 2nd course Grateful Dunes, any word on that?   :)

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George Freeman

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2011, 10:27:11 AM »
Can someone post an aerial/satellite image of the current course and surroundings and mark where the new course will be located (generally)?

Thanks!
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Ryan Farrow

Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #52 on: April 13, 2011, 10:43:57 AM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on April 13, 2011, 06:33:07 AM
Quote from: Kirk Gill on April 12, 2011, 10:50:18 PM


I wonder when Mr. Iverson will get such an opportunity...........(forgive me if he already has !)


Kirk:

Eric has designed one course on his own already -- Staley Farms in Kansas City.  He was working for a contractor who took on a design-build contract there and Eric did the design.  It's very good, though I thought a couple of the greens were over the top!

He's not going to get another opportunity until after he builds a course for me in China, though.

Tom, I think Eric deserves the 5th 6th course at Bandon for that. As for Wednesday night bowling.... when you struggle to break 100, its not that much fun..... but at least the beer was cold.
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Jim Colton

Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2011, 10:56:11 AM »
Quote from: George Freeman on April 13, 2011, 10:27:11 AM
Can someone post an aerial/satellite image of the current course and surroundings and mark where the new course will be located (generally)?

Thanks!

George, I think the new course wraps around the southern half of the existing course like a 'U', as far as I can tell.  Looks like some pretty rumpled land there!

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Mike Hendren

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #54 on: April 13, 2011, 10:58:44 AM »
Any truth to the rumor that a liger has been spotted at Ballyneal?

Brushy
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Scott Szabo

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #55 on: April 13, 2011, 11:11:02 AM »
Quote from: Ryan Farrow on April 13, 2011, 10:43:57 AM
Quote from: Tom_Doak on April 13, 2011, 06:33:07 AM
Quote from: Kirk Gill on April 12, 2011, 10:50:18 PM


I wonder when Mr. Iverson will get such an opportunity...........(forgive me if he already has !)


Kirk:

Eric has designed one course on his own already -- Staley Farms in Kansas City.  He was working for a contractor who took on a design-build contract there and Eric did the design.  It's very good, though I thought a couple of the greens were over the top!

He's not going to get another opportunity until after he builds a course for me in China, though.

Tom, I think Eric deserves the 5th 6th course at Bandon for that. As for Wednesday night bowling.... when you struggle to break 100, its not that much fun..... but at least the beer was cold.

The same could be said about golf too!
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Brad Isaacs

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #56 on: April 13, 2011, 11:19:47 AM »
Quote from: Michael_Hendren on April 13, 2011, 10:58:44 AM
Any truth to the rumor that a liger has been spotted at Ballyneal?

Brushy

A cross between a male lion and female tiger?  Pretty random??? Care to educate me please? :)
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Brian Potash

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #57 on: April 13, 2011, 11:23:49 AM »
Quote from: Craig Edgmand on April 13, 2011, 10:21:21 AM
 
A while back it was mentioned that they may call the 2nd course Grateful Dunes, any word on that?   :)



Unfortunately I don't think they will be employing Grateful Dunes (I am a huge Deadhead) as the course is going to be on the flatter side of the property and not really on the Dunes

I know that they were still looking for potential course names when I visited in February.  Not sure if that is still the case.

Any suggestions??
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #58 on: April 13, 2011, 11:25:51 AM »
Which poor soul will get the chore of backhoe chopping yucca this time around?  Do any of these operators still have any kidneys left?  Maybe the crew movie could be;  "Beast of Yucca Flats".
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054673/

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Kalen Braley

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #59 on: April 13, 2011, 01:35:32 PM »
Quote from: Brad Isaacs on April 13, 2011, 11:19:47 AM
Quote from: Michael_Hendren on April 13, 2011, 10:58:44 AM
Any truth to the rumor that a liger has been spotted at Ballyneal?

Brushy

A cross between a male lion and female tiger?  Pretty random??? Care to educate me please? :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger

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Carl Rogers

Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2011, 02:49:26 PM »
The second course there could represent a difficult conceptual challenge ... how to differentiate?  how to complement? 
Ballyneal receives considerable praise here ... but all projects involve decisions on what to include and what to exclude, right?  What might Tom & Team left out of the first course that might be included on the new course?

Should Ballyneal be a seamless 36 hole golf course?

One of the great strengths of Bandon is that all the courses have unique identity.
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Patrick Hodgdon

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2011, 04:39:58 PM »
Quote from: Carl Rogers on April 13, 2011, 02:49:26 PM
The second course there could represent a difficult conceptual challenge ... how to differentiate?  how to complement?  
Ballyneal receives considerable praise here ... but all projects involve decisions on what to include and what to exclude, right?  What might Tom & Team left out of the first course that might be included on the new course?

Should Ballyneal be a seamless 36 hole golf course?

One of the great strengths of Bandon is that all the courses have unique identity.

Just having a Liger for the new courses logo would definitely make it unique.  ;D

Has there ever been a seamless 36 built? The cross over at 13 also makes this interesting.
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Wyatt Halliday

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2011, 05:36:12 PM »
Quote from: Patrick Hodgdon on April 13, 2011, 04:39:58 PM
Quote from: Carl Rogers on April 13, 2011, 02:49:26 PM
The second course there could represent a difficult conceptual challenge ... how to differentiate?  how to complement?  
Ballyneal receives considerable praise here ... but all projects involve decisions on what to include and what to exclude, right?  What might Tom & Team left out of the first course that might be included on the new course?

Should Ballyneal be a seamless 36 hole golf course?

One of the great strengths of Bandon is that all the courses have unique identity.

Just having a Liger for the new courses logo would definitely make it unique.  ;D

Has there ever been a seamless 36 built? The cross over at 13 also makes this interesting.

I've always wondered if course architecture would veer in this direction for future projects. The stray from 18 as the norm toward building more holes routed in such away that you could play multiple combinations to make an 18. For a club with heavy traffic, would it reduce strain on the golf course overall?

I know scorecard printers would love it.


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Bill_McBride

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2011, 05:49:32 PM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on April 13, 2011, 06:33:07 AM
Quote from: Kirk Gill on April 12, 2011, 10:50:18 PM


I wonder when Mr. Iverson will get such an opportunity...........(forgive me if he already has !)


Kirk:

Eric has designed one course on his own already -- Staley Farms in Kansas City.  He was working for a contractor who took on a design-build contract there and Eric did the design.  It's very good, though I thought a couple of the greens were over the top!


YOU thought a couple of his greens were over the top?  OMG.  I thought Old Macdonald's greens set the curve!
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #64 on: April 13, 2011, 06:10:12 PM »
Sounds like a perfect situation. A talented and hungry architect who knows very well but isn't wedded to the vibe and ethos of the place/original course, and who gets to work on a site that's markedly different - and less undulating - than the first, and whose whole training has prepared him for working with the land as it presents itself. Perfect.

I can imagine jumping ahead 40 years (or will it be only 4) and listening to the debates about how the later/less famous 18 more than holds its own against the original.

Of course, I'm already on record with my (wholly intuitive) opinion that Ballyneal will become the No. 1 ranked course in the country within all of our lifetimes.

Peter

 
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2011, 06:13:37 PM »
Quote from: PPallotta on April 13, 2011, 06:10:12 PM

Of course, I'm already on record with my (wholly intuitive) opinion that Ballyneal will become the No. 1 ranked course in the country within all of our lifetimes.

Peter
 

Thats quite the statement Peter.  Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved Ballyneal as much as the next guy, but #1 in the US is a pretty darn big bite.  ;)

As for me, I have CPC, Pacific Dunes, and RCCC in front of it.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #66 on: April 13, 2011, 06:24:43 PM »
Kalen - I can't argue with you, literally; and you're righ to call me out on my big pronoucement. But it's just a feeling I have that, all things taken together, that place will keep steadily and quickly rising in the rankings, and that (with changing tastes and times and socio-economic conditions and the ever-increasing buzzy frenzy of our shallow pursuits and amusements), it will eventually be considered the ideal golfing experience in America.
Peter
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Jim Colton

Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #67 on: April 13, 2011, 09:11:37 PM »
Quote from: PPallotta on April 13, 2011, 06:24:43 PM
Kalen - I can't argue with you, literally; and you're righ to call me out on my big pronoucement. But it's just a feeling I have that, all things taken together, that place will keep steadily and quickly rising in the rankings, and that (with changing tastes and times and socio-economic conditions and the ever-increasing buzzy frenzy of our shallow pursuits and amusements), it will eventually be considered the ideal golfing experience in America.
Peter

Peter,

  I hope you are right, but I'd gladly settle on eventually making it ahead of Rich Harvest Farms. Then my faith in humanity would be restored.
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John Mayhugh

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #68 on: April 13, 2011, 09:30:35 PM »
True test of GCA geekdom:  who's skipping their third (or fourth) round of the day at Ballyneal to walk around the site for the second course? 
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Ron Farris

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #69 on: April 14, 2011, 08:00:15 AM »
Congratulations to Bruce.  I look forward to seeing yet another sand hills golf club. 
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Brad Isaacs

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #70 on: April 14, 2011, 08:47:16 AM »
Got me, if not the leader of geekdom then definitely a first lt. ::)
This might be a tougher question for J Colton.
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Jim Colton

Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #71 on: April 14, 2011, 08:55:42 AM »
Brad/John,
 It's a pretty simple solution, really. The sun rises around 5:15 out there during the summer, and the first "tee time" isn't until 7:30.

 Jim

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Adam Clayman

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #72 on: April 14, 2011, 09:14:00 AM »
Brad, I've already had inquiries about touring the second course. Granted, the guy is a total gca geek. :)
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #73 on: April 14, 2011, 09:29:59 AM »
First of all, Congrats to everyone.  Just another reason to retire to Denver.

I saw this ditty posted as a comment on http://www.geoffshackelford.com/ as it relates to the new course.


"Ballyneal is a special place. I was lucky enough to take an ATV tour of the land proposed for that second course and it is pretty spectacular. Looking at that raw land while bouncing around on three wheels running over all sorts of plant life was inspirational and at the same time made me realize the talents of real architects to see practical golf holes within those dunes."

The last thing any of you city boys need to do is jump on a 3 wheeled ATV.  The good Dr. must have been mistaken.  From Wiki:

Production of three wheelers ceased in 1987 due to safety concerns:[5] three wheelers were more unstable than four wheelers (although accidents are equally severe in both classes).[6] A ban on sales of new or used three wheelers and a recall of all remaining three wheelers has been proposed by the American Academy of Pediatrics.[7]
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Tony Weiler

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Re: Ballyneal 2nd Course - Bruce Hepner to Design
« Reply #74 on: April 14, 2011, 11:25:47 AM »
John, I remember seeing a "4 wheeled" ATV when at BN, but not a 3 wheeler.  I wouldn't get on one of those for anything, except maybe to play ANGC.   ;)  Now a trip around that country in a 4 wheeler, however, would be a lot of fun, even for a city boy. 
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