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Jud_T

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2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« on: November 16, 2010, 08:07:46 PM »
1. Pac Dunes
2. Old Mac
3. Pebble
4. Whistling Straights
5. Pinehurst #2
6. Bandon Dunes
7. Shadow Creek
8. Spyglass
9. Sawgrass
10. Kiawah Ocean
11. Bandon Trails
12. Beau Rivage-Fallen Oak
13. Harbour Town
14. Blackwolf River
15. Homestead-Cascade
16. Sea Island-Seaside
17. Pine Needles
18. Kapalua-Plantation
19. We-Ko-Pa-Saguaro
20. Cougar Canyon
21. Caledonia
22. Princeville-Prince
23. Primland-Highland
24. May River
25. Prarie Club (Dunes)

other Highlights:

27. Barona Creek
28. French Lick-Dye
30. Dunes Golf&Beach
34. Atlantic City C.C.
37. Greenbriar-Old White
39. Linville
44. Dove Mnt.
50. Crosswater
51. Reynolds Plantation-Great Waters
54. French Lick-Ross
56. Tobacco Road
59. Talking Stick-North
63. Mid Pines
65. Doral
68. Spanish Bay
71. Wynn Las Vegas
78. Treetops-Signiture
80. Kiva Dunes
82. Barton Creek-Fazio
83. Pelican Hill-Ocean
85. Blackwolf-Meadow
88. Couer D'alene
90. Southern Dunes
94. Bay Harbor-Links/Quarry
98. The Glen Club

Talk amongst yourselves....
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

J Sadowsky

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 08:28:27 PM »
I don't really care that much about ratings, but it looks like TOC, Cascades, and Kapalua are low and Fallen Oak is high.

I also know nothing of Cougar Canyon, except it sounds like a place that 20 year old boys would find fascinating.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2010, 10:00:43 AM by Justin Sadowsky »

jonathan_becker

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2010, 08:39:45 PM »
Off of a brief glance, it's damn hard to argue with #1 and I love that Old Mac is #2.

I think Kiawah is low as well.

Matthew Sander

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2010, 09:08:46 PM »
I understand that with lists such as these, the difference between #28 and #54 is negligible. That said, for those of you that have played both of the French Lick courses, which do you prefer? I've not played either, but the photos of the Ross appeal to me quite a bit more. Joe Bausch's photo tour of the Ross course was one of the best pictorials I've viewed on this site. I'm curious to hear how some of you have received the Dye course...

Ted Cahill

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2010, 09:23:14 PM »
Glad to see Spyglass up there.  Played it last week for the first time in 18 months- was once again reminded how impressive it is.  It's fairly walkable, as well- green to tee distances are reasonalbe, obviously you have some hills to navigate. 
“Bandon Dunes is like Chamonix for skiers or the
North Shore of Oahu for surfers,” Rogers said. “It is
where those who really care end up.”

Bret Swanson

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 10:25:03 PM »
The Dye Course is a Dye course in a unique top-of-the-world setting. It's spectacular, intimidating, and (on the day I played it this September) in exquisite condition. But I can't fairly judge it yet. We had sustained winds of 30+ mph with gusts to 50 mph. It was simply brutal. Hard to evaluate a course when you're just trying to remain upright on drives. The day before with maybe 20 mph winds, we played the Ross Course, which for me was the bigger surprise. I was expecting Dye to impress. But the Ross far exceeded my expectations. A super-dry August had left it in less than perfect condition, with its famous greens bearing long grass to keep them healthy. Nevertheless the course is a classic layout on mostly-open, rolling, hilly terrain with a good mix of holes, beautifully restored large bunkers, steeply sloped putting surfaces, and great views. Eager to play both courses again next year.

Mac Plumart

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2010, 11:09:28 PM »
I find these interesting due to the GCA connection...

Pacific Dunes...Tom Doak
Old MacDonald...Tom Doak and Jim Urbina
Atlantic City CC...Tom Doak
Greenbriar (Old White)...Lester George
Wilderness at Fortune Bay...Jeff Brauer
Longbow Golf Club...John Ken Kavanaugh

If I missed any, please point them out. 

Cool stuff!!  Congrats!!

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Andy Troeger

Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2010, 08:10:44 AM »
Matthew,
I prefer the Ross Course at French Lick to the Dye Course, by a rather large margin, despite generally being more of a fan of Dye. The Ross Course has a lot of interesting holes and features and good topography--they used to call it the "Hill" course as opposed to the Valley Links by the resort which was originally done by Tom Bendelow. That one is now only nine holes. It has long par threes and a lot of medium length par fours, which does hurt variety a bit, but the greens are varied and interesting. Personally, I think the course is every bit as good as some of his private gems in the midwest including Inverness and Scioto, with less history. It did host the PGA, I believe in the 1920's.

The Dye Course is in a spectacular setting, but for the life of me I can't figure out why Dye built these ribbons of fairway that are exceedingly narrow. I think I might have hit one of them in 27 holes played. Quite a few of my drives were very playable from off the fairways so its not entirely a critique of playability, but I didn't see much strategy in 20-25 yard wide fairways other than hit and hope. The overload of bunkers in spots to me also took away from the beautiful natural scenery--it made it look very busy. I think others have made that criticism of Whistling Straits although I found this course to be more jarring. Given ten more rounds with price not factored, I'd play 8 or 9 at the Ross.

Terry Lavin

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2010, 09:24:17 AM »
The first observation is that Mike Keiser has four of the top 11 courses.  Not surprising, given the quality of courses there, but that is quite impressive.  I also found it interesting that only one Pinehurst course is listed (although Jud may have omitted it), I would have thought at least one other would make the top 100.  I was also quite surprised that Dove Mountain was not a lot higher and I'm slightly disgusted that Bay Harbor made this or any list.  Most of all, this list pointed out to me (a private club denizen) that we have a very deep resort course bench here in America.  You could play nothing other than these courses all your life and be plenty happy with the diversity of play options.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Jud_T

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2010, 09:30:17 AM »
Terry,

Yes Pinehurst #4 is ranked 67th and #8 is ranked 84th.  Also interesting that Old Mac is above Pebble.  Perhaps the modern versus classic rating numbers are more comparable than we've been led to believe (i.e. in the best New list Old Mac got an 8.90 while in the top 100 classic Pebble is given 8.86, or perhaps they're simply comparing apples and oranges to compile this list)....
« Last Edit: November 17, 2010, 09:35:30 AM by Jud Tigerman »
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Lou_Duran

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2010, 09:33:17 AM »
How did El Niguel GC make it in at #20?

John Kavanaugh

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2010, 09:40:26 AM »
One thing Golfweek has done that I fully support is the empowerment of husband/wife rater teams.  Has anyone noticed an impact on the results because of this excellent forward thinking policy?

Mark McKeever

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2010, 09:52:33 AM »
Interesting, I would have thought Cascades would be a bit higher as well.

Mark
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Chris Johnston

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2010, 10:08:55 AM »
Teton Pines or JH Golf and Tennis in Jackson Hole left out entirely?  Two of the best and most scenic resort tracks around.

Hmmm.

Tim Gavrich

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2010, 10:32:38 AM »
It's interesting that Cuscowilla is not on the list; I really liked it when I played it.  Does it not qualify somehow?
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Jim Nugent

Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2010, 02:39:12 PM »

Perhaps the modern versus classic rating numbers are more comparable than we've been led to believe....

I got it from the horses mouth that they are NOT comparable. 

Jay Cox

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2010, 03:28:31 PM »
I understand that with lists such as these, the difference between #28 and #54 is negligible. That said, for those of you that have played both of the French Lick courses, which do you prefer? I've not played either, but the photos of the Ross appeal to me quite a bit more. Joe Bausch's photo tour of the Ross course was one of the best pictorials I've viewed on this site. I'm curious to hear how some of you have received the Dye course...

The Ross Course continues to be among the most underrated golf courses in the country.  I would put it in the top 10 with some room to spare.

I haven't played the Dye course, so I can't compare the two.

Matthew Petersen

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2010, 03:58:54 PM »
I find these interesting due to the GCA connection...

Pacific Dunes...Tom Doak
Old MacDonald...Tom Doak and Jim Urbina
Atlantic City CC...Tom Doak
Greenbriar (Old White)...Lester George
Wilderness at Fortune Bay...Jeff Brauer
Longbow Golf Club...John Ken Kavanaugh

If I missed any, please point them out. 

Cool stuff!!  Congrats!!



Had to look it up and I see Longbow is named as a "course of distinction." Which is fine except ... I have no idea how it qualifies as a resort course. Anyone have any ideas what their criteria for a "resort" course is?

Greg Ohlendorf

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2010, 04:18:56 PM »
To the Ross vs Dye question. The Ross course is more fun by a factor of 5 to 1. Trying to drive the ball on the Dye course into a 17-20 yard wide fairway on 435+ yard long par fours with no miss left or right isn't much fun. It's certainly hard but not much else. Other than three very similar par threes on the Ross course, it is very interesting with excellent greens and shot variety. A must play if in the area. 

William_G

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2010, 04:28:50 PM »
It's clear that Bandon will be considered the best golf resort. 8)
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Will MacEwen

Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2010, 04:43:16 PM »
I find these interesting due to the GCA connection...

Pacific Dunes...Tom Doak
Old MacDonald...Tom Doak and Jim Urbina
Atlantic City CC...Tom Doak
Greenbriar (Old White)...Lester George
Wilderness at Fortune Bay...Jeff Brauer
Longbow Golf Club...John Ken Kavanaugh

If I missed any, please point them out. 

Cool stuff!!  Congrats!!



Had to look it up and I see Longbow is named as a "course of distinction." Which is fine except ... I have no idea how it qualifies as a resort course. Anyone have any ideas what their criteria for a "resort" course is?

Can't help you - I played We Ko Pah two years ago and just now learned it was a resort.

Matthew Petersen

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2010, 05:21:25 PM »
I find these interesting due to the GCA connection...

Pacific Dunes...Tom Doak
Old MacDonald...Tom Doak and Jim Urbina
Atlantic City CC...Tom Doak
Greenbriar (Old White)...Lester George
Wilderness at Fortune Bay...Jeff Brauer
Longbow Golf Club...John Ken Kavanaugh

If I missed any, please point them out. 

Cool stuff!!  Congrats!!



Had to look it up and I see Longbow is named as a "course of distinction." Which is fine except ... I have no idea how it qualifies as a resort course. Anyone have any ideas what their criteria for a "resort" course is?

Can't help you - I played We Ko Pah two years ago and just now learned it was a resort.

That i can at least understand, though it's a stretch. The courses there are owned by the Yavapai Nation and more or less a part of the Fort McDowell casino area, which now includes a Radisson. Thus, a resort.

Southn Dunes out in Maricopa is similar, though even more of a stretch. It's now owned by the Ak-Chin tribe, though the course isn't on the rez land. Technically it's a part of the same resort that the Whirlwind courses are, I guess.

Last I knew, longbow was owned by a real estate company, and there's no resort really anywhere near it.

Carl Johnson

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2010, 09:49:31 PM »
The last time I checked out the Bandon Dunes courses, in person, which was two or three years ago, I would not have called them a resort.  A wonderful golf destination,Yes.  But a resort, No.  Just the way I look at things.

mike_beene

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2010, 11:07:14 PM »
Pine Needles is the one that jumps out as far to low.It is top ten to me and overcomes the real estate element.

Cliff Hamm

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Re: 2011 Golfweek's Best Resort Courses
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2010, 11:33:11 PM »
Odd definition of resort...checked the list on golfweek.com and Tobacco Road was there.  Great clubhouse (small). No housing.  No hotels.  Yes, you can get a package thru the Pinehurst hotels but resort?  Not really.

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