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Mac Plumart

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Scotland trip taking shape
« on: November 01, 2010, 08:42:38 PM »
I am on cloud nine.  Just a few days ago I got my tee time confirmation for The Old Course in the mail.   ;D ;D ;D

This makes finalized tee times for Muirfield, Renaissance, and The Old Course.  And now I am communicating with Ralph at Askernish to arrange the details for that round.  I mean simply looking at images of Askernish makes me giddy!!



Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Stewart Abramson

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2010, 08:44:19 PM »
That's fantastic.  I'm jealous.

David_Tepper

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2010, 09:12:32 PM »
Mac P. -

When are you planning to go. I don't imagine getting a teetime at Askernish will be much of a problem. ;)

DT

Mac Plumart

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2010, 09:14:43 PM »
May 3rd 2011 teeing off at Muirfield, May 4th Renaissance, May 9th Old Course.

Stewart, David, join me!  The more the merrier!!
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Anthony Gray

Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2010, 09:29:15 PM »

  Jonathan says play Cruden Bay.
   

Anthony


Tim Johnson

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2010, 09:30:42 PM »
Congrats on the trip becoming a reality Mac.

Too bad, with all the chats we have had about links golf we were very close to the possibility of playing a round together but I have chosen Ireland/Northern ireland for my May trip. I wanted to play The Machrie again but my dad really wanted to play Carne again so with him being 78, I let him make the call.

It would have been a blast but enjoy the trip, I know you will enjoy it.

Let me know if you have any questions regarding some of the courses.

And while this may seem a bit weird considering the usual weather...........bring Sunblock.......a 15 ml advertisement in a Vogue magazine saved my ears at Donegal.

Looking forward to the pictures and reviews.

Tim

Mac Plumart

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2010, 10:10:02 PM »
Tim...

I look forward to finally teeing it up with you.  Anyone who has these words about golf, is okay in my book!   :)

"To be honest, I don't follow nor do I really read other rating methods. I just like to read the write-ups, not how they got to their conclusions.

For me, I remove everything else except the actual golf course. The clubhouse, staff, history etc. has no bearing on the course. Like Hackett, and because of Hackett, I like a course that is suited to the natural terrain. There are a lot of courses where they clear and flatten the land and then build a course. That is Wal-Mart golf.

Personal preferences, every course should have a reachable par 4, like the 12th at St Andrews, which I reached and eagled (sorry, but I have told that story to every golfer I have met since 07, one day you might hear one of your fellow Americans tell the story of how some brash Canadian let out a Tiger like fist pump scream as they were putting on the 6th green, and I apologize for that but it was a double breaker from 25 ft and it was St Andrews).

I am not one to look at a layout and judge if a bunker was properly placed or if the green has too many ledges. I rate the course basically on feel and that doesn't mean how I played that day. I take into account the view, the layout and mostly, just if it feels natural. Kinda like if a golf course was meant to be placed there."
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Martin Toal

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2010, 06:18:10 AM »
Mac

It is not too difficult to get a ferry across to Northern Ireland and play RCD and RP too, especially if you were planning to include Turnberry, which is near the ports to NI.

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2010, 07:53:36 AM »

Brian

If I had known you were at Rufflets Country Hotel I would have asked you to pop into the cemetery a few yards towards to St Andrews to place some flowers upon half my recent family, the remainder are in the ruins of the cathedral. Did you notice the little park (Cockshaugh Park) as you drove in on the right had side (John Street) and the walk along the Ladebraes and the Kinness Burn. No oh well next time, but to assist location I attach a map. As you can see the Hotel is just off map near Cemetery to left had side. As you know this road leads to the walled gate known as ‘West Port’ located at the bottom end of South Street.



Just useless info but if a nice day a short walk along the burn can be enjoyable if with the family. Also did you see the carved stone face well weathered high up on the Uni walls down North Street?

Melvyn

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2010, 09:37:02 AM »

Brian

Something to remember until your return

Ladebraese Walk



West Gate



What you do not see from the Ground



Look back with a tear in ones eyes



The Cathedral Ruins



It will all still be waiting on your return

Melvyn

Mike Hendren

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2010, 09:45:05 AM »
Renaissance? 

Colon Boy.

Bogey
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Bill_McBride

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2010, 10:16:30 AM »
Thanks for the nice photos, Melvyn. Tears in my eyes......

Mac, are you doing the day at Muirfield?  Don't forget your jacket and tie!  It's a great day. I suppose the secretary's staff will pair you up with a group. Enjoy your trip, sounds great!

JC Jones

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2010, 10:21:21 AM »
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Tony Weiler

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2010, 10:44:36 AM »
Oficially jealous, Mac.  Going to be a LOOONG winter waiting for that trip!   ;)

higkgins

Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2010, 12:53:42 PM »
Mac -- that LOOONG winter should be easier to handle if you just remember what Rogers Hornsby once said:

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball.
I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."

Now that's passion !

Good Luck !

Marty Bonnar

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2010, 06:39:33 PM »
Y'all better be planning on meeting up with some of the 'North British' contingent of GCA, laddie!

FBD.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Mark Pearce

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2010, 06:57:34 PM »
Marty,

Fancy another get together at Crail?
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Marty Bonnar

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2010, 07:04:08 PM »
Marty,

Fancy another get together at Crail?

Now that's what I call a bloody good idea! Absolutely, mon frere! Maybe we should even invite Mac???? ;D

best,
FBD.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Tim Martin

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2010, 07:09:39 PM »
Congrats on the trip becoming a reality Mac.

Too bad, with all the chats we have had about links golf we were very close to the possibility of playing a round together but I have chosen Ireland/Northern ireland for my May trip. I wanted to play The Machrie again but my dad really wanted to play Carne again so with him being 78, I let him make the call.

It would have been a blast but enjoy the trip, I know you will enjoy it.

Let me know if you have any questions regarding some of the courses.

And while this may seem a bit weird considering the usual weather...........bring Sunblock.......a 15 ml advertisement in a Vogue magazine saved my ears at Donegal.


Looking forward to the pictures and reviews.

Tim
Tim-Would love to hear more about Carne. I am almost finished with John Garrity`s "Ancestral Links" and the descriptions of the area and course are breathtaking.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2010, 07:12:18 PM by Tim Martin »

Tim Johnson

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2010, 12:58:41 AM »
Mac, although with distance being being the obstacle, we will tee it up one day...more than likely on a North American course but in a perfect world it be would a links course...lets say Carne. A review of your trip wont happen online..it would be over the phone, would like to hear it first hand. And thanks for adding my review of "golf ratings", it is amazing the words  one can come up with after a bottle and a half of a good red.

Tim, in respect to Carne and I am only on 2 glasses of red so my thoughts may not be as grandiouse. In all honestly, and my own opinion, it is the best. When discussing links golf, I believe there are 2 two types, classic links( TOC, Muirfield, Turnberry etc) and then you have the dunes courses(Carne, Enniscrone, Rosapenna etc). The way I have always described it for people who have asked for the difference between Scotland and Ireland is Ireland links is Scotland links on steriods. While that may seem simplistic, generally the links courses in Ireland have bigger dunes.

As for Carne, for me, it has both. It has been said that the front 9 at Carne is not as good as the back but I believe that is because the dunes are not as big. I think the front has the classic layout and the back 9 allows you to enjoy the links golf in the dunes. Much like Portstewart but opposite. At Portstewart, the front 9 is incredible in the dunes and the back is more flat but still an enjoyable 9 holes of golf. In all reality, unless you really send your drive off line, the dunes dont come into play but when you do........I had a shot on the 15 th at Carne that the ball was not only above my feet(as we may get on a North Amercian course in the fairway) but this ball was above my head as I was 40 feet up in a dune and all I could do was hood a 5 iron and hope the line would let the ball runout on the fairway. In North America when a ball is offline, it lands on the top of the tree and most likely bounces down to a bad lie in the rough. In Ireland, you have to climb the tree, find the ball and hope to hell you dont fall down the dune after you have swung. That is something I have come to love about links golf.

Carne has all you could want in a links course and more. The reviews say the front is not as good as the back but I would disagree. The back has great dunes holes but the front offers a more classic layout. Played it 3 times and have never come close to holding the green at 7. I remember hitting a great approach shot  on the 6th out of the "smaller dunes", I was only 20 feet above the fairway as oposed to 60 feet. Trump has boasted recently that his new course has the best highest dunes in all of Scotland but he is an idiot...plain and simple.

I could talk all night about Carne but the best thing you could do is go to their website and see the "Fly Over" option they have. It will show you how great course is. I have been lucky enough to play 35 links course over 4 trips and Carne is the only only course where I can remember each shot.

Also, the people at Carne are top notch and make you feel like you are playing your home course. My dad and I are going to Ireland in May and we have decided to start with 3 days at Carne. We are playing Rosepenna, Ballyliffin, Portrush, Enniscrone  and RCD but we love Carne so much that 3 days might not be enough................man I wish the new 9 was open!!!!!!!


JC Jones

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2010, 02:05:30 PM »
Mac,

Don't you know that anything they have over there, we have better over here?
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Sean Leary

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2010, 03:10:50 PM »
Mac, although with distance being being the obstacle, we will tee it up one day...more than likely on a North American course but in a perfect world it be would a links course...lets say Carne. A review of your trip wont happen online..it would be over the phone, would like to hear it first hand. And thanks for adding my review of "golf ratings", it is amazing the words  one can come up with after a bottle and a half of a good red.

Tim, in respect to Carne and I am only on 2 glasses of red so my thoughts may not be as grandiouse. In all honestly, and my own opinion, it is the best. When discussing links golf, I believe there are 2 two types, classic links( TOC, Muirfield, Turnberry etc) and then you have the dunes courses(Carne, Enniscrone, Rosapenna etc). The way I have always described it for people who have asked for the difference between Scotland and Ireland is Ireland links is Scotland links on steriods. While that may seem simplistic, generally the links courses in Ireland have bigger dunes.

As for Carne, for me, it has both. It has been said that the front 9 at Carne is not as good as the back but I believe that is because the dunes are not as big. I think the front has the classic layout and the back 9 allows you to enjoy the links golf in the dunes. Much like Portstewart but opposite. At Portstewart, the front 9 is incredible in the dunes and the back is more flat but still an enjoyable 9 holes of golf. In all reality, unless you really send your drive off line, the dunes dont come into play but when you do........I had a shot on the 15 th at Carne that the ball was not only above my feet(as we may get on a North Amercian course in the fairway) but this ball was above my head as I was 40 feet up in a dune and all I could do was hood a 5 iron and hope the line would let the ball runout on the fairway. In North America when a ball is offline, it lands on the top of the tree and most likely bounces down to a bad lie in the rough. In Ireland, you have to climb the tree, find the ball and hope to hell you dont fall down the dune after you have swung. That is something I have come to love about links golf.

Carne has all you could want in a links course and more. The reviews say the front is not as good as the back but I would disagree. The back has great dunes holes but the front offers a more classic layout. Played it 3 times and have never come close to holding the green at 7. I remember hitting a great approach shot  on the 6th out of the "smaller dunes", I was only 20 feet above the fairway as oposed to 60 feet. Trump has boasted recently that his new course has the best highest dunes in all of Scotland but he is an idiot...plain and simple.

I could talk all night about Carne but the best thing you could do is go to their website and see the "Fly Over" option they have. It will show you how great course is. I have been lucky enough to play 35 links course over 4 trips and Carne is the only only course where I can remember each shot.

Also, the people at Carne are top notch and make you feel like you are playing your home course. My dad and I are going to Ireland in May and we have decided to start with 3 days at Carne. We are playing Rosepenna, Ballyliffin, Portrush, Enniscrone  and RCD but we love Carne so much that 3 days might not be enough................man I wish the new 9 was open!!!!!!!



Funny how different people like different things.I love links golf more than any other kind and of all the links courses I have played (15 or so in all,) the one I have the least desire to go back to is Carne. And I liked the front there more than the back.

Kevin Pallier

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2010, 06:04:47 PM »
Mac,

Don't you know that anything they have over there, we have better over here?

JC

Ease of access to the private clubs ? volume of links golf ?  ;)

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2010, 06:44:04 PM »


JC

First of all you do not have me. Second, how many links courses do you actually have? Third, you need distance aids to select your clubs, we do it by instinct, Fourth, your designers are limited in design ability (they come up with island greens), they also have to steal our old course designs i.e. Redan Road Hole etc, as without a distance aid they can’t count past 1 (island Green).  ??? 8)

Then let’s look at the real list, we play golf your something called cartball, Christ guys over three quarters of your guys can’t play golf unless they ride and can’t work out which club to use without a distance aid or caddy.  Other minor points you need a bigger ball to make it easier to see and I suppose hit, you need to keep updating your equipment as the only way to reduce your scores each year and lets not forget your love for shallow bunkers as its the only bunkers you will ever get out off – Can’t wait to watch some more Americans trying to escape the Road Bunker. ;) :-*

WE are happy to share our great GOLF courses with you guys any time, they are all playable by visitors, even get you into the R&A trophy room. You see we will share in our good fortune. 8) 8) 8)

Melvyn 


Mark Chaplin

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Re: Scotland trip taking shape
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2010, 08:44:01 PM »
Tim - some women have larger breasts but that doesn't make them better. One of my favourite links is Harlech and the highest point is probably the 16th tee and that's what 20' above sea level.

Melvyn - a positive statement about the R&A, you mellowing?
Cave Nil Vino