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Ran Morrissett

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Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« on: October 18, 2010, 08:40:38 AM »
The Feature Interview section is meant to be another avenue for exploring and learning about golf course architecture. To that end, our one with Brain Curley triumphs as it contains a wealth of information. 
 
There are great stories (Pete Dye after seeing Brian's talent for drawing, remarking that 'it’s nice to be able to draw but, it’s more important to draw a paycheck' ;D). There are Brian's viewpoints re: what he was trying to accomplish in various situations (see the before and after photos of Oakmont in California with his handwritten notes).There is more information on golf in China than we have ever posted in one spot including the positive effects of Paspalum. There is a thoughtful description of what makes for a great short par four (in this case the 14th at Southern Dunes in Arizona). There are construction sequences of the Dongguan Property in China that will startle you in terms of what man can accomplish with landforms that are otherwise too abrupt for good golf. The list of topics goes on and on.
 
As you read this Feature Interview, remember that you are reading the words of a man who along with his partner Lee Schmidt elected to set up an office on China’s Hainan Island in 2007. That's what I call smart!
 
Given how creative and open Brian has been in forming various partnerships, he has been unusually busy over the past decade. In a lot of ways, he reminds me of Roosevelt's Man in the Arena speech - he is the guy out there with dirt under his nails making it happen and thus commands respect. He notes some very interesting things in his Feature Interview re: golf and Asians like how it is posted on some first tees how strong the mobile phone strength is.
 
Gosh knows I write all the time about using golf to reconnect with nature blah blah blah but Asians are using it as a fundamental underpinning to business. They can take four or five hours on the course because they stay 'connected' through the round, which might likely be a business one anyway. This isn't the traditional golf that many of us know and love but I see what he is saying: Give Asians credit for making the game work for their lifestyle. By doing so, they put golf on a footpath of greater growth than is the case in western civilization at present.
 
Some of things that Brain says may strike folks in North America as counter-intuitive. For instance, some areas in China thrive on labor intensive maintenance designs  :o as it helps provide more jobs for the local villagers. You won't ever see that written in regards to courses in North America!
 
Only by being in the field do you come by such real life stories and it is why Brain's lengthy Feature Interview is thought-provoking from start to finish and well worth your perusal.

Cheers,

PS My apologies for getting behind in posting Feature Interviews but I have been traveling. We will be caught up by Christmas.

Ian Andrew

Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2010, 11:13:27 AM »
I really like Brian and spent a wonderful pair of days with him in Phoenix a few years back. BTW Brian’s musical ability runs in the family since his son’s band won the Battle of the Bands around the time I was there. His music room in the house is pretty darn cool.

I found the insight at the end of the interview about the good and the bad of working in China very insightful. I have always had tremendous hesitation about going over there for many of the reason he shared. I was fortunate to see some of the planning and listened to a couple of good conversations about how you design 10 different courses in one place. I enjoyed the interaction in the office while I visited.

I have seen all three of the song performed and each was very clever. I can just picture Brian working on the lyrics on the way to China.  ;D Each took on different issues associated with golf, mainly for humor, and they all brought on a good laugh.

Marty Bonnar

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2010, 04:08:09 PM »
I met Brian briefly at a Trade Show in Beijing about seven or eight years ago. (Brian, I was the guy in the Kilt!) I remember thinking at the time that if any company could make it out there it might just be SC. They seemed to exhibit all the right 'stuff' for that market. Good connections with the Biggest Golf Resort in the World also can't be bad! China must be a fascinating market in which to operate. One Q, Brian: Did the moratorium really happen????

FBD.
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Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2010, 04:57:36 PM »
You've got to hand it to Brian and to Lee for being way ahead of the curve in China. 

I am excited to see the new projects they are so excited about, and to get into the ground there myself.  It's just too bad that it's all so far from home that few people get to see and report on what's going on over there.  As he says, there are going to be a lot of projects set back for one strange reason or another, but those that aren't provide a great opportunity to build something really out of the box.

Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2010, 11:35:30 AM »
The opening hole at Oak Quarry in Riverside, CA is a terrific shot par 4, 303 from the tips, 274 from next up....the only drawback was the
location in the round....1st hole out of the gate.  The green is located behind the bunkers at upper right:






DMoriarty

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2010, 02:07:38 PM »
Ran,

Thanks for the interview. 

I appreciate Mr. Curley's comment about how they set out to build a "poor man's Riviera" at Goose Creek.  I can definitely see that, and despite the lackluster site and smelly location, I think Goose Creek may be one of their best (if not their best) work of those I have played.

This is probably true of most modern designers, but my sense is that they would do better with less, and Goose Creek is a good example of this, and Oak Valley in Beaumont might be as well.   The photos of the work in China are interesting, with some looking very good and some looking way overdone.   I haven't had a chance to see the Oakmont work in Glendale, but I have heard good things. 

Scott,  Oak Quarry has some fun holes and golf shots, No. 1 among them.   It is a fun course for a very difficult site and probably deserves more mention than it gets.  That said, as architecture goes, it too seems to oscillate between just enough and too much.
Golf history can be quite interesting if you just let your favorite legends go and allow the truth to take you where it will.
--Tom MacWood (1958-2012)

Garland Bayley

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2010, 04:56:48 PM »
Now we know how Brian gets paid for his work there.


"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Alex Miller

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 01:02:04 PM »
The opening hole at Oak Quarry in Riverside, CA is a terrific shot par 4, 303 from the tips, 274 from next up....the only drawback was the
location in the round....1st hole out of the gate.  The green is located behind the bunkers at upper right:


Scott,

I love Oak Quarry and I think it's a top 5 public access course in greater Los Angeles. The first hole is absolutely great. A quick story:

I played with my friend who is insanely long and he drove the green right out of the gate to about 15 feet. I laid up, hit it to 15 ft, putted first and made birdie. He three putted for par.  :D I think the front 9 at that course is pretty special, and easier so more fun too.

Mike Sweeney

Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2010, 10:43:36 PM »
Fascinating stories about working China. Thanks.

These guys are obviously well traveled:

http://us.schmidt-curley.com/#s=11&mi=1&pt=0&pi=6&p=-1&a=0&at=0

Jon Spaulding

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2010, 02:41:54 PM »
Thanks for posting this.

Schmidt & Curley have certainly helped bring a level of acceptable architecture to Southern CA, along with Eckenrode/Hanse/Doak.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2010, 03:26:03 PM by Jon Spaulding »
You'd make a fine little helper. What's your name?

DMoriarty

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2010, 04:12:54 PM »
Thanks for posting this.

Schmidt & Curley have certainly helped bring a level of acceptable architecture to Southern CA, along with Eckenrode/Hanse/Doak.

Doak?  Did I miss something?   
Golf history can be quite interesting if you just let your favorite legends go and allow the truth to take you where it will.
--Tom MacWood (1958-2012)

Jon Spaulding

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2010, 04:18:46 PM »
Stone Eagle......
You'd make a fine little helper. What's your name?

Sean Leary

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2010, 04:45:36 PM »
Thanks for posting this.

Schmidt & Curley have certainly helped bring a level of acceptable architecture to Southern CA, along with Eckenrode/Hanse/Doak.

You forgot Blue Moon, which makes ENCC a hidden gem...

Sean Leary

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2010, 04:47:29 PM »
I really enjoyed Oak Quarry as well as the Palms and the Plantation in the desert. Would really like to play the one they built south of Phoenix that keeps changing names

DMoriarty

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2010, 05:09:23 PM »
Stone Eagle......

Thanks Jon,   I guess I must consider Palm Desert to be Western Arizona or something.   

At least I figured out the Hanse efforts for myself . . .
Golf history can be quite interesting if you just let your favorite legends go and allow the truth to take you where it will.
--Tom MacWood (1958-2012)

Jeff Doerr

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2010, 11:15:45 AM »
Sitting in on a Brian Curley jam session is a serendipitous moment that you all need to enjoy sometime in life. I really enjoyed his work at The Wilderness Club. If you are figuring out a journey to Rock Creek or something else up that way it is worth your while to get there.



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the greatest practical assistance to a man in Life's struggle.”

David Stamm

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2010, 07:15:38 PM »
   I haven't had a chance to see the Oakmont work in Glendale, but I have heard good things. 

 


There are some good things, and some not so good.
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Rob Rigg

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2010, 03:24:08 AM »
Having spent some time in China this is a great read - thanks Ran and Brian!

I played my first round in China a few weeks ago at the Tanspring Golf Resort and it was pretty cool. Definitely not prime GCA territory but a very interesting and fun experience - cart golf but everyone had a caddie per Brian's comment in the interview so you could walk from fairway to green.

For our Chinese hosts, the day was both about business and just getting away from the office (factory). They were very proud to host us at their club and thoroughly enjoyed the game. They also really enjoyed the bets. Tanspring had a hotel so our hosts would sometimes head over there for a w/e - golf, massage and beer.

Brian, Ryan and anyone else who has spent a lot of time there - Can you recommend some courses in Southern China - Dongguan/Shenzen area? Of the ten or so at MH which are your favorites? Where is it worth teeing it on Hainan? etc.

I'm planning on leaving some clubs over there next time as I visit every quarter and it's a fun change to the routine.

The photos from MH Haikou looks very interesting. I really want to see a course with paspalum over there - the greens at Tanspring Resort were pretty tough - very slow and bumpy - but you just roll with it.

JC Urbina

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2010, 01:48:58 AM »
Nice interview,  very refreshing.  I have explored many of the golf courses designed By Curly / Schmidt.  I really liked the Plantation and Southern dunes courses.  The last time I saw Brian was at the Pete Dye induction ceremony in Florida. He was showing me pictures of the courses he was involved with in China.  Some pretty creative stuff. 

Tim Nugent

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2010, 06:40:16 AM »
Sitting in on a Brian Curley jam session is a serendipitous moment that you all need to enjoy sometime in life.
A fringe benefit of ASGCA membership. After Hours "in the bar" jam sessions with the like of Brian, John LaFoy, Paul Cowley while LMOA listening to Jay Morrish stories.
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Forrest Richardson

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2010, 10:32:06 PM »
Brian is the consummate golf designer — he has about done it all.  As for the introductions at our ASGCA meetings [end of the interview], I really do not have any apprehension introducing the guys as "The Stiff Shafts", but I took better to "The Curley Hairs", which I think defines them much better...after all, they are all in their 40s or more..."stiff shafts" seems a bit much unless they are throwing Viagra to the audience.   ;D

Hats off to Brian. We are all very proud of their accomplishments. Patrick Burton, who worked with me for a few years, is now among their China designers. While I have yet to see the work in person, I look forward to seeing it one day — and having opportunity for a quick critique as that is a good role for former employers.   :D
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2010, 04:06:20 PM »
I really enjoyed Oak Quarry as well as the Palms and the Plantation in the desert. Would really like to play the one they built south of Phoenix that keeps changing names

That would be Southern Dunes in Mariposa, really nice shaping of big bunker complexes and some interesting greens.  It's a lot of fun to play, although I dropped $6 to Forrest there in February.   >:(

Apparently Troon is running the place now, which should be good.  http://www.golfsoutherndunes.com/index.php

Forrest Richardson

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Re: Feature Interview with Brian Curley is posted
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2010, 04:42:39 PM »
And, I have nearly spent it all by now.   ;D
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