[Kyle Harris]

It's true in any of the older, established eastern seaboard  and midwest states that were not also winter resorts like FL, NC, SC, GA.

If you took Bethpage out of NY the same would be the case there.

Agreed.

Ryan just happens to hail from the best of those stat... err commonwealths.

[Garland Bayley]

Ryan,
Other than the famous ultra-high end publics like Bandon, Pinehurst, etc...  What state would have "great" public golf?

For example, the USGA Publinx was played in 1990 (ish) at Eastmoreland in Portland, OR.  Eastmoreland is a very fine golf course, but it's hardly great, and it's perhaps the best public in Oregon other than the obvious (Bandon's courses).

Or - what's the are the great publics in New York north of the Rockland/Westchester county line (upstate)?  
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Paul,
Glen Mills and Lederach are very, very good.  I'll let others more knowledgeable speak to their "greatness".

That would have been the public links at Great Blue and Greenback Heron that you refer to.

Eastmoreland public links would have been a completely different era.

[astavrides]

If Glen Mills took my idea to switch the fairways of #11 and #17 I'm sure it would become a great course. The new shot to #17 green from the present #11 fairway would the best on the course.

crossfire?

[mike_malone]

Alex,

    The tee for #11 woud be above #17 green on the hill below #9. The tee for #17 would be above #11 green. I don't see crossfire issues.

[Doug Braunsdorf]

Yes, I know I am the "Benedict Arnold" of Pennsylvania, but, does it need a great public course?  PA (I can't say we anymore) has a number of very good public courses, and some not so good ones.  Like many states.  From my experience in eastern PA, Jeffersonville, Lederach are very good.  Makefield is good.  I am told Glen Mills is very, very good.  Paxon looks good, I would like to see it.  I like Inniscrone, but not everyone does. 

I am not familiar with the western PA courses to list any.

Does PA need a 'great' public course?  And, as defined by whom?  Would it work, economically? 

[Garland Bayley]

When will Ryan see the greatness in PA public courses?

Sean Arble has seen it, and he just visited.

[John Moore II]

Yes, I know I am the "Benedict Arnold" of Pennsylvania, but, does it need a great public course?  PA (I can't say we anymore) has a number of very good public courses, and some not so good ones.  Like many states.  From my experience in eastern PA, Jeffersonville, Lederach are very good.  Makefield is good.  I am told Glen Mills is very, very good.  Paxon looks good, I would like to see it.  I like Inniscrone, but not everyone does. 

I am not familiar with the western PA courses to list any.

Does PA need a 'great' public course?  And, as defined by whom?  Would it work, economically? 

Does PA have a public course that would rate a 7 on the Confidential Guide scale? A course on the same level as The Dunes Club in Myrtle Beach, PGA West or Spanish Bay on the public side, or somewhere in the same level of quality as Stonewall (Old) [Rated an 8]? I don't think you should expect 'great' on the public side to be equal to Oakmont because very, very few public courses come close to that.

[Dan Herrmann]

Garland,
Eastmoreland hosted the 1990 USGA Publinx.  I was there.

The courses at Heron Lakes are certainly good, but hardly great.  Pretty typical RTJ Jr. layouts. 

[Steve_ Shaffer]

There is another former private course now open to the public- Mike Cirba's all time favorite- Country Club of the Poconos:

http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100806/NEWS13/8060304/-1/NEWSMAP

It won't make the Top 10 in PA however. 

[D_Malley]

give it another year or so for more of the private clubs to fail and open their doors to the public.

[Mike Cirba]

D Malley,

Or close them forever, unfortunately.

Steve,

That's just cruel baiting me like that. 

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