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John_McMillan

Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« on: May 23, 2010, 08:51:58 PM »
No ... not THAT St. Andrews.

St. Andrews Presbyterian Church in Beulah, Michigan will host Tom and Mike on Wednesday night, June 30 at 5:30 pm.
I asked Tom and Mike to do a "Siskel and Ebert" type talk on their perspectives on golf course architecture, and on what makes Northern Michigan a special place for golf.  The early speculation is that Crystal Downs will receive "two thubs up."

If you're in the Traverse City area on June 30, come and participate.
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JC Jones

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2010, 09:00:50 PM »
I can certainly make the drive down from Charlevoix for this.  I'm glad I get 5 weeks to work on my questions.....;)

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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

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I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

JC Jones

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2010, 09:02:36 PM »
First question to Mike:

do you feel guilty taking strokes when playing against a 20 handicap on a course you designed?
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Steve Lang

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2010, 09:30:15 PM »
 8) 

Have they been back to Wilderness Valley - Black Forest to check out how it has held up?
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2010, 09:38:35 PM »
For both:

If they could modify 1 hole at Crystal Downs, what would it be?
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JC Jones

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2010, 09:51:40 PM »
First question for Tom:

are your best days behind you? ;) :)
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

George Freeman

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2010, 10:30:42 PM »
Sounds very cool.  I wish I could make it!
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John Pflum

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2010, 10:34:38 PM »
Hmmm, I wonder if we could arrange to meet at The Cherry Hut for breakfast.........  :-)
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JC Jones

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2010, 10:27:01 PM »
At a little over a week away, I'm bumping this.

John,

Is there a max on the numbered of prepared questions audience members are allowed to bring? ;)
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Richard Hetzel

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2010, 04:51:38 PM »
What is the CHerry Hut?

I will be in Glen ARbor, so I ma show up as well...

Anyone ever play Pinecroft?
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John_McMillan

Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2010, 10:33:04 AM »
Just a reminder.
Doak/Devries talk this Wednesday at St. Andrews (Presbyterian Church in Benzie, MI).

Directions to the church are available at: 

www.benziestandrews.com

Look forward to seeing those who can make it at 5:30 pm.

Limit to prepared questions is 10 per individual.
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JC Jones

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2010, 10:39:17 AM »
Quote from: John_McMillan on June 28, 2010, 10:33:04 AM
Just a reminder.
Doak/Devries talk this Wednesday at St. Andrews (Presbyterian Church in Benzie, MI).

Directions to the church are available at: 

www.benziestandrews.com

Look forward to seeing those who can make it at 5:30 pm.

Limit to prepared questions is 10 per individual.

So what you are saying is that there is no limit to unprepared questions. :)
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Richard Hetzel

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2010, 08:09:06 PM »
Double Barky Sparky, sorry for not saying goodbye, however, you were deeply engrossed in conversation....

The land behind the church would make an EXCELLENT par 4 IMO. Thanks for the Q&A Mike and Tom, much appreciated.

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Richard Hetzel

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2010, 08:27:08 PM »
And, I found the Cherry Bowl Drive In! My kids even made me play the putt putt there. Notice the Ross like mounding in between the holes....



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George Freeman

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2010, 11:36:30 PM »
Over the years I have expressed my passion for golf course architecture to my parents a hundred times over.  Tonight my Mom drove over an hour to Beulah MI to listen to two men, who she has no doubt heard me bring up many times, discuss GCA to a uniformed crowd at a small church.  I'm not even sure how she found out about the event; I was shocked when I heard she attended.  She thoroughly enjoyed the discussion, enough to have jotted down some notes that she would later share with me over the phone on her way home.  In addition, she got to meet Tom, Mike, and Double Barky Sparky (aka JC Jones), enabling her to finally put a few faces to names and stories.  She now wholeheartedly wants me to buy a piece of land that will one day house a great golf course...

This is one proud son!

Sounds like it was a great conversation; wish I could have attended.
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JC Jones

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2010, 10:15:42 AM »
Quote from: George Freeman on June 30, 2010, 11:36:30 PM
Over the years I have expressed my passion for golf course architecture to my parents a hundred times over.  Tonight my Mom drove over an hour to Beulah MI to listen to two men, who she has no doubt heard me bring up many times, discuss GCA to a uniformed crowd at a small church.  I'm not even sure how she found out about the event; I was shocked when I heard she attended.  She thoroughly enjoyed the discussion, enough to have jotted down some notes that she would later share with me over the phone on her way home.  In addition, she got to meet Tom, Mike, and Double Barky Sparky (aka JC Jones), enabling her to finally put a few faces to names and stories.  She now wholeheartedly wants me to buy a piece of land that will one day house a great golf course...

This is one proud son!

Sounds like it was a great conversation; wish I could have attended.

Just because I was there does not mean the crowd was uninformed.

George, your mother is very nice and seemed to be really into hearing what Tom and Mike had to say.  You should be proud.

Thanks to Tom and Mike for their patience, it was good to hear their thoughts on various matters.

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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Wyatt Halliday

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2010, 11:27:13 AM »
Six weeks notice and no video link? I'm disappointed.  :P
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JC Jones

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2010, 12:04:54 PM »
Quote from: Wyatt Halliday on July 01, 2010, 11:27:13 AM
Six weeks notice and no video link? I'm disappointed.  :P

I would have taken video but the subjects have faces made for posting on gca.com.
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Adam Clayman

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2010, 10:25:40 AM »
Come on Boys... You can do better than that for all us living vicariously?

Was it standard geek 101 or what? 
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2010, 10:45:16 AM »
Adam:

It was about a 45-minute question Q & A -- or about 1000 hours less than most of you here have gotten over the past few years.  But it WAS a nicer setting.
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Richard Hetzel

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2010, 03:21:00 PM »
Tom,

Agreed, the setting was nice and will be that much nicer once you get to work on that downhill, par 4 behind the church!
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Joe Hancock

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2010, 07:09:10 PM »
Anthony Gray has dibs on that par 4, Rich......with JC as the historian on record.

Joe
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Steve Lang

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2010, 07:23:08 PM »
 8) so TD and MD.. have you been back lately to The Black Forest to check out how it has held up?

JC-DBS & Joe Hancock.. you're both on notice..  leaving TX on 17th, be up in the woods at Blue Lake 19th.. ms sheila & i are looking for a game.. neutral or non-neutral venue
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JC Jones

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2010, 10:31:25 PM »
Quote from: Steve Lang on July 02, 2010, 07:23:08 PM
8) so TD and MD.. have you been back lately to The Black Forest to check out how it has held up?

JC-DBS & Joe Hancock.. you're both on notice..  leaving TX on 17th, be up in the woods at Blue Lake 19th.. ms sheila & i are looking for a game.. neutral or non-neutral venue

All the golf you can play after 3:30 on Tuesday the 20th at Belvedere for $35  :)
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

JC Jones

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Re: Doak and Devries to talk at St. Andrews
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2010, 10:32:38 PM »
Quote from: Adam Clayman on July 02, 2010, 10:25:40 AM
Come on Boys... You can do better than that for all us living vicariously?

Was it standard geek 101 or what? 

It was geared much more towards the lay person.  The few of us geeks that were there sat back and deferred to those who don't get the generous time that we do.
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.
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