[John Moore II]

Sam-Yes, I would teach that, if I thought about it. I haven't actually seen someone do that in forever, probably since I did it last 10 years ago. So, it probably wouldn't even occur to me to tell someone that its a bad thing to do unless I saw them doing it. I mean, I teach about not walking too close to the hole, staying out of people's view, etc., but pulling the ball out of the hole with a putter wouldn't run through my head as something to teach.

[Sam Morrow]

Sam-Yes, I would teach that, if I thought about it. I haven't actually seen someone do that in forever, probably since I did it last 10 years ago. So, it probably wouldn't even occur to me to tell someone that its a bad thing to do unless I saw them doing it. I mean, I teach about not walking too close to the hole, staying out of people's view, etc., but pulling the ball out of the hole with a putter wouldn't run through my head as something to teach.

It is something that will aid in your lessons, espically with kids.

[John Moore II]

Sam-Yes, I would teach that, if I thought about it. I haven't actually seen someone do that in forever, probably since I did it last 10 years ago. So, it probably wouldn't even occur to me to tell someone that its a bad thing to do unless I saw them doing it. I mean, I teach about not walking too close to the hole, staying out of people's view, etc., but pulling the ball out of the hole with a putter wouldn't run through my head as something to teach.

It is something that will aid in your lessons, espically with kids.

I will try and do that, but like I said, I see it so rarely, that I forget it even happens.

[Melvyn Morrow]

Mark

You have every right to voice your opinion, perhaps the format on that occasion was not ideal but then neither was his action.

Course etiquette is so important in that is shows an equal courtesy to all, ignore it and you are nothing short of being a selfish individual who cares not for the wellbeing of others on a course.

I may have handled its slightly differently and caught him in the bar afterwards, addressing no one in particular but in a loud voice say ‘Did you see that ignorant, lazy ar*#hole using his club to retrieve his ball from the hole – God in this day and age you would have thought that golfing etiquette would have penetrated his thick skull, but it just goes to show the poor manners some player display on the golf course. Oh yes, that’s the ar*#hole over there”.  Pointing to the gentleman concerned.

Although there may be wiser ways to make your point. Perhaps if there is a next time say ‘Melvyn would cut your F*#@king bo**#cks off if he saw you doing that’  at the same time you move your arm in a backward motion as if cutting upwards, in case he might be hard of hearing.

Signs are a great reminder to players. Simple notes around the changing rooms and Pro Shop, stating that “This course/club requires golfers to strictly observes to course etiquette as being reminded on the course can be embarrassing".

Well done Mark, but next time can you say it face to face as the player on the 8th, 9th, 11th & 13th thought you where referring to them.

No, being serious you where indeed right in making a comment, we need golfers to start thinking about others on a golf course.

Melvyn

PS Watch out for that John K Moore not to mention Sam Morrow, both believe Etiquette is a European sports car and don't understand a floor shift believing it to be old and out of date technology. You have to love them for their little ways, don't you.

[Ronald Montesano]

Is Sam Morrow the guy that kept bugging Andy Troeger?  He sure seems incapable of leaving a point alone.  Bravo to John for not losing his cool.  Sam, you might consider a book called "Lighten Up."  I have to believe that removing a ball with the putter head, if that is the only breach of etiquette, will not bring about the fall of the kingdom we call golf.

I have come to my senses, however, and here is the explanation:  although I am a deft (not daft) ball-remover-with-putter-head, others might see me do it and be more daft than deft, less adroit, if you will.  Therefore, my actions will influence them to do something that they are not prepared, or do not wish, to handle:  the repair of the cup's edge, should damage occur.

Mike Hogan, do you mean to tell me he destroyed the cup on #1 at True Blue?  I think your skill with embellishment is unmatched on this site.  If it is not, do you mean to say that you did not take the high road and repair the cup?  The story smells something rotten.

[Stan Dodd]

Wow! What a great and improtant thread.

[Ronald Montesano]

Stan, you saw through the mist...very funny.

[Mike Hogan]

Ron,
I'm not proud to admit it but yes. we did wreck the hole.  I did repair the cup best I could. The sharp edge was gone and the hole was not round, kind of scraped off on one side and definately lower on one side.  We were the first or second group of the day, so I'm pretty sure that most everyone behind us noticed the damage. Is this story so unbelievable?

[Carl Rogers]

I need to remember that at times I am taken 100% literally.

[Kalen Braley]

I'm not proud to admit that I used to do this too before I realized it was improper.  Ignorance is never an excuse per se, but when I learned the game it always seemed the emphasis was on the big no-nos like not talking in one's backswing, not walking in someones line on the green, making sure to repair divots and ballmarks, etc.

[John Moore II]

I'm not proud to admit that I used to do this too before I realized it was improper.  Ignorance is never an excuse per se, but when I learned the game it always seemed the emphasis was on the big no-nos like not talking in one's backswing, not walking in someones line on the green, making sure to repair divots and ballmarks, etc.

I think that is true for most. Its just not a practice that is thought of when trying to teach someone a little bit about etiquette. Its really such a rare practice that no one thinks to tell anyone about it. Like I said, I haven't seen someone do it in forever. But being rare doesn't make it correct and when you do see someone do it, its a real shocker and needs to be addressed quickly.

[Melvyn Morrow]

John

"But being rare doesn't make it correct and when you do see someone do it, its a real shocker and needs to be addressed quickly".

Well said but do you not think that golfers should be considering the consequence of their action as they play. Does that not show that course etiquette or simple course consideration for others does not appear to come into play unless it is remarked upon.

That’s why IMHO we need the Pros to lead with this, they may make a difference to the next generation of young golfers. It should in my opinion be as natural as putting on your seatbelt when in a car.

Melvyn 

[John Moore II]

John

"But being rare doesn't make it correct and when you do see someone do it, its a real shocker and needs to be addressed quickly".

Well said but do you not think that golfers should be considering the consequence of their action as they play. Does that not show that course etiquette or simple course consideration for others does not appear to come into play unless it is remarked upon.

That’s why IMHO we need the Pros to lead with this, they may make a difference to the next generation of young golfers. It should in my opinion be as natural as putting on your seatbelt when in a car.

Melvyn 

Of course golfers should consider the consequences of their actions. But many, myself included, do things like this and don't realize they are destructive until someone either says something or they tear something up. And I think Pro's should go over this as well, its just that it doesn't come up all that often, and, speaking for myself, I don't have some checklist written down that I go over for etiquette.

[Ronald Montesano]

Which is worse, stepping advertently too close to the hole and contributing to the lumpy donut, or gently caressing a ball out of the hole with the putter head?

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