[Patrick_Mucci]

MHM,

I'm with you.

The opening Section of the USGA Rule Book, Section I is entitled, "Etiquette; Behavior on the Course"

It's an integral part of the foundation of the game.

Pat-I don't think anyone disagrees that proper etiquette is an integral part of the game of golf. But how do you go about telling someone who is new to the game or otherwise doing something wrong without sounding like a jerk and running people away from the game?


On the private side,
The same way I did it when I started the Junior Program at my club decades ago.
Before Juniors were permited on the practice range and golf course they had to undergo an educational process and then pass a basic rules and etiquette test.
Once they had completed the basic rules and etiquette test they were allowed on the range for instruction.
Once they underwent the instructional sessions, they had to pass a playing test (ball striking and putting)'
Once they passed the playing test they were permitted on the golf course with a supervising adult.
It worked quite well and remains in affect today.


Certainly the private club side is far different, but being a simple public course guy, from a business point of view, I'd rather have a course full of guys who weren't using the best etiquette (certainly not tearing up the course though) than have a mostly empty course, with 6 or 8 golfers who all were perfectly courteous and used exactly proper etiquette.

Once you established your priority, which is MONEY, it's hard to introduce any qualifying factors (ETIQUETTE)
What it may boil down to is the "tariff" you're allowed to charge.
By "tariff" I mean the following.  If your product is exceptional, you can extract an additional fee for those desiring to play your course, and that fee is Etiquette.  But, it would be Basic Etiquette 101.   It's doubtful that you'd be able to imbue your golfers with a loftier sense of etiquette.
And, it's extremely difficult for you to police "etiquette" amongst your golfers.
Some understand etiquette and want to abide by that golfing culture, others could care less and I don't think there's anything that you can do on the public side

But thats just the business side. Get them out there, I'll do what I can to teach them better etiquette.

I don't disagree with that, in your model, business/money comes first.
As to teaching golfers with no "connection" to the golf course, I doubt there's much you can do.

[John Moore II]

MHM,

I'm with you.

The opening Section of the USGA Rule Book, Section I is entitled, "Etiquette; Behavior on the Course"

It's an integral part of the foundation of the game.

Pat-I don't think anyone disagrees that proper etiquette is an integral part of the game of golf. But how do you go about telling someone who is new to the game or otherwise doing something wrong without sounding like a jerk and running people away from the game?


On the private side,
The same way I did it when I started the Junior Program at my club decades ago.
Before Juniors were permited on the practice range and golf course they had to undergo an educational process and then pass a basic rules and etiquette test.
Once they had completed the basic rules and etiquette test they were allowed on the range for instruction.
Once they underwent the instructional sessions, they had to pass a playing test (ball striking and putting)'
Once they passed the playing test they were permitted on the golf course with a supervising adult.
It worked quite well and remains in affect today.


Certainly the private club side is far different, but being a simple public course guy, from a business point of view, I'd rather have a course full of guys who weren't using the best etiquette (certainly not tearing up the course though) than have a mostly empty course, with 6 or 8 golfers who all were perfectly courteous and used exactly proper etiquette.

Once you established your priority, which is MONEY, it's hard to introduce any qualifying factors (ETIQUETTE)
What it may boil down to is the "tariff" you're allowed to charge.
By "tariff" I mean the following.  If your product is exceptional, you can extract an additional fee for those desiring to play your course, and that fee is Etiquette.  But, it would be Basic Etiquette 101.   It's doubtful that you'd be able to imbue your golfers with a loftier sense of etiquette.
And, it's extremely difficult for you to police "etiquette" amongst your golfers.
Some understand etiquette and want to abide by that golfing culture, others could care less and I don't think there's anything that you can do on the public side

But thats just the business side. Get them out there, I'll do what I can to teach them better etiquette.

I don't disagree with that, in your model, business/money comes first.
As to teaching golfers with no "connection" to the golf course, I doubt there's much you can do.

Glad we see it the same way. Its fairly easy to work etiquette into a beginner golf clinic or something like that. But otherwise, its hard to do. Anytime a course is open to the public, its hard to mandate people be "nice." But like I said, if I can fill the course every day, so long as golfers don't take divots out of the green or other abusive stuff, I'm probably not going to say a whole lot to them.

[Craig Sweet]

I think following rules of etiquette are all well and good...and I think for the most part everyone on the PGA Tour follow them...that said, the PGA Tour is a business and there's lots of money involved.  Golf for these guys is not something they necessarily do for fun with their friends...in ALL SPORTS people get angry with themselves, and with their opponents...it is called competition. When you add money to the competition equation I think some people, such as Tiger, will openly display less than ideal behavior.  Considering, in every sport I can think off, this less than ideal behavior often ends in a fist fight, golf is doing quite well!

[Garland Bayley]

I think following rules of etiquette are all well and good...and I think for the most part everyone on the PGA Tour follow them...that said, the PGA Tour is a business and there's lots of money involved.  Golf for these guys is not something they necessarily do for fun with their friends...in ALL SPORTS people get angry with themselves, and with their opponents...it is called competition. When you add money to the competition equation I think some people, such as Tiger, will openly display less than ideal behavior.  Considering, in every sport I can think off, this less than ideal behavior often ends in a fist fight, golf is doing quite well!

C'mon Craig, I love ya man, but Tiger will openly display less than ideal behavior on the golf course when no money is involved! It's who he is. He says he is trying to change, and I hope he can.

[Anthony Gray]

   Is grab-ass bad for the game?

  Anthony

[Bill_McBride]

   Is grab-ass bad for the game?

  Anthony

My motto (which my wife for one finds hysterical) is "moderation in all things."   

[John Moore II]

   Is grab-ass bad for the game?

  Anthony

My motto (which my wife for one finds hysterical) is "moderation in all things."   

Bill-One sailor to another, I have a feeling that's not true all the time...

[Anthony Gray]

   Is grab-ass bad for the game?

  Anthony

My motto (which my wife for one finds hysterical) is "moderation in all things."   

  Moderation??....Can you ever get enough of Bill McBride?....The more the better.


  Anthony

[Melvyn Morrow]

Is grab-ass bad for the game?  - whatever that actually means. Yet if it does not comply  ALL THE TIME to Course Etiquette then answer it is a Yes.

Ops there I go again in another anti American comment or am I just trying to understand it to see if it work within the rules.

From  GCA.com's own  'Rebel Without a Cause' unless its a golf thing

Melvyn

[Anthony Gray]

Is grab-ass bad for the game?  - whatever that actually means. Yet if it does not comply  ALL THE TIME to Course Etiquette then answer it is a Yes.

Ops there I go again in another anti American comment or am I just trying to understand it to see if it work within the rules.

From  GCA.com's own  'Rebel Without a Cause' unless its a golf thing

Melvyn

  Grab ass is kinda like a 18 hole bromance.

  Anthony

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