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jeffwarne

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2010, 11:52:49 AM »
Did anyone notice on Saturday when that eagle putt lipped out on #8 Phil made the exact "kicked in the nuts" reaction that he had in that old commercial with the video game? Priceless!

If anyone considers Tiger's bitching and fist pumps and so forth to be more exciting or fun to watch than Phil's goofball reactions, well let's just say they need a sense of humor. Or for that matter Fred Couples' fidgeting, preening and shrugging his way around the course. For my part, watching a bunch of the Masters on TV this year has caused me to resolve to be more like a hacker-Phil or a hacker-Freddie and less like a pathetic hacker-Tiger. As ugly as it is when Tiger wigs out over a ball that doesn't fade precisely as he wanted, it must be really disgusting to see me stomping around after my tenth duffed shot of the round...

I watched Sunday's final this am(not knowing the result) having been at an a field hockey tournament with my daughter Sunday.
having attended the masters Friday I am aware of the respect fans treated Tiger with during the event.
Most people can forgive/forget (or not judge another in the first place) and were genuinely rooting for Tiger(if they were fans before)
Having watched his on course outbursts earlier in the week, I was a bit amazed he couldn't control himself in light of what was at stake (his reputation and promises), but figured it was a work in progress. I continued to root for him all week, and was disappointed to see his lapse on 14-which eventually meant nothing.

After watching his post round interview, Sunday i was stunned there was no mention of the warm reception he got or how he was happy to be back, and better yet, be in the hunt (and could've added he was disappointed with his play).
Tiger  was coming off a eagle,par,par, birdie finish, and should've had plenty of time to compose himself and not say something "in the heat of the moment"
He came across as a complete spoiled, petulant child.
I have been a fan for years-as of this morning, I'm not.
I hope history ends up reflecting Nicklaus as the best player ever.


Meanwhile, what a great win for Mickelson.
Best shot ever on 13, great win, emotional family win.
What were we all thinking, not embracing this guy before?

I was a Mickelson fan before, but a bigger Tiger fan.
I'm done with Tiger, and my gues is the world is too.


And by the way, I can't stand it when the announcers say Tiger's playing well despite all HE'S been through.

Bill,
I think Tiger has become Darth Vader (i.e. gone over to the dark side despite being given a chance to return)
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Roger Wolfe

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2010, 11:59:48 AM »
Tiger should be in the NBA or the NFL...  this is why I love Phil...

"Mickelson's win a victory for women"

RICK REILLY

 Harry How/Getty ImagesPhil Mickelson slipped on his third green jacket, but having his wife Amy by his side meant the most.
AUGUSTA, Ga. -- It's not often women win the Masters, but they did Sunday.
Actually, Phil Mickelson won, but for millions of women around the country, it must feel like a lipstick-sized victory. Mickelson, in case you forgot, is the guy who stayed true to his wife. He's the guy who's been missing tournaments the last 11 months while he flies her back and forth to a breast cancer specialist in Houston. He's the guy who didn't need reminding that women are not disposable.
Mani-pedis for everybody!
Also winning Sunday: karma, which proved to be alive and well. And guys who never had a temper in the first place. And endings that make you wipe your tears on the couch pillows.
Mickelson is the guy whose heavy head on the bed pillow lately wasn't self-inflicted. Both his wife, Amy, and his mother, Mary, have breast cancer. Usually, those two are at every tournament he's in, but for the last year they've been fighting, resting, and fighting again at home. And Mickelson has gone back to his rented homes alone.
So when Amy turned up on the 18th green Sunday at Augusta National for the first time in 11 months and Mickelson practically fell into her outstretched arms, you wanted to hug somebody yourself. Mickelson hugged and cried. And his wife hugged and cried. And his coach and his caddy hugged and cried. And 10 minutes later, the caddy was still crying.
So when Amy turned up on the 18th green Sunday for the first time in 11 months and Mickelson practically fell into her outstretched arms, you wanted to hug somebody yourself.
"This is way beyond golf," said caddy Jim "Bones" Mackay, who's been with Mickelson for 19 years. "This is about a guy who loves his wife. This is about a guy who had a really hard year. Twenty years from now, nothing will compare with this. This is his greatest win, by far. Because of Amy, because of his mom, everything. God bless all those women that go through what Amy and Phil's mom have gone through. Because I've seen it and it ain't easy."
"Of all the majors I've been involved in," said Mickelson's coach, Butch Harmon, "be they with Tiger, Phil, anybody, this is the most emotional by far. This year has been a big, big strain on him. His game has suffered. What he really wanted was to be home with his family."
You figured a guy who came into this Masters having played only seven tournaments this year -- and never placing better than eighth in any of them -- would have a snowball's chance. But something melted in him when his wife and three kids showed up for the first time in nearly a year on Tuesday.
"He just had this peace to him that I haven't seen in awhile," said Bones.
Amy was still hurting, so she wasn't able to come to the golf course, but it was close enough. Each morning, Mickelson would take his oldest, Sophie, to a local coffee shop and play chess for an hour. At night, the whole brood would watch dumb movies. Mickelson came through that door each night after work like it was Christmas morning. You don't know how dispiriting it is to come home after a long day to a strange, empty house. Come to think of it, maybe Tiger knows.
"It's been tough," Mickelson said. "The meds that she's been taking have been very difficult and she didn't feel well and she doesn't have energy and she's not just up for a lot. But to have her here, man …"
 
Amy Mickelson is the kind of walking rainbow that could put a smile on a mortician's face, so when she showed up, everything started looking up. The golf gods started raining favors down on Mickelson's curly hair. On Saturday, golf balls started going into tiny little cups from great distances. Sunday, it got even better:
At 9: ball hits tree, bounces back into fairway. Par.
At 10: ball hits tree, bounces back into playable territory. Par.
At 11: ball hits fan, bounces into short, happy grass. Par.
"Got an assist there," Mickelson said.
Did the guy say anything?
"Ouch?" Mickelson guessed.
The big lefty took it from there.
At 12: looked into his "book of reads" for the 20-foot putt -- the green-studying book that Bones and he spent "days and days" putting together on a trip this year to Augusta -- and buried it. Birdie.
At 13: pulled off the most audacious, swashbuckling shot of his life at 13 -- from the right woods, off pine straw, through two trees (4 feet apart), over Rae's Creek, from 207 yards, to 3 feet. Two-putt birdie.
At 15: smashed an 8-iron from 205 yards -- yes, 8-iron to 15 feet for a 2-putt birdie.
Suddenly, the guy who'd spent a career being eaten alive by Woods had left him 5 shots behind. It was only a matter of lag for par, lag for par, 10-foot birdie and get the Kleenex ready.
"I saw Amy just before I putted," Mickelson said. "That was so great. I mean, I didn't know if she would be there. To walk off the green and share that with her is just very, very emotional. We'll remember this [for] the rest of our lives."
Contrast that with Woods, who spent the week reverting to form -- acerbic answers, sprayed swear words, and curt interviews. He finished fourth, which shows that the golf game is very close. The personality makeover, though, looks like it needs some work.
Soon enough, though, Woods will win tournaments like this, pass Nicklaus, and order will be restored in the universe. But for this one Sunday in a flower-stuffed pocket of Georgia, the good husband, the good son, the good man actually got rewarded.

Ian Andrew

Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2010, 12:44:17 PM »
I had a meeting in the same hotel he was staying in near Cog Hill last year. We entered the hotel at the same time and he was great to all the staff. He was funny at times and polite to each one that he dealt with. There was no one around for him to impress, it struck me as sincere.


Steve Strasheim

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2010, 01:13:41 PM »
No details yet, so I'll stick by my naive impression of Phli. He has a great golf game. Aggressive and fearless with incredible creativity and touch. Nowdays, he is a proven champion as well.

I do not buy the line that he will win more green jackets than Tiger, however.

David_Tepper

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2010, 01:20:30 PM »
There was a time when Phil had a reputation as a smarmy know-it-all with a gambling problem. Hopefully, his transformation to a family man is a genuine one. 

Jim Nugent

Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2010, 01:46:54 PM »

He was asked about the shot in his press conference.  He said the shot was actually pretty easy--he had a perfect lie and the trees weren't a factor.  He said it was a simple 6 iron.  He was aiming at the front left portion of the green.  Then he gave a smirk.  He obviously pulled the shot, but he got away with it.

Which shows he had a pretty good margin of error.  The more I hear, the less risky the shot seems.  Hit a solid six iron. 

Sean Leary

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2010, 01:46:57 PM »
If you talk to people/players who are close to the tour, he has a fair amount of detractors. Surely some of that is jealousy, but maybe some  is that they see a change in his persona when the camera is on, for example. It also could be that he has changed quite a bit and the FIGJAM persona is no longer, due to maturity.

I know some people that knew him in high school, and they say he was quite awkward back then, which really isn't a surprise.

There are lots of rumors about Phil's personal life that may or may not be true.  Some are probably somewhat true and get exaggerated, but often times where there is smoke there is fire.

Bill Brightly

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2010, 01:52:34 PM »
I was stunned when Phil hit that iron on 13 from the line needles onto the green. If that shot had landed two yards short and in the creek, Phil would have been harshly criticized, just as he was for hitting driver on 18 at Winged Foot. I have to give him tremendous credit for having the courage and confidence to hit that shot yesterday. It was not a "miraclous" shot once he determined that the trees were not really in play and hitting a ball cleanly off pine needles is not much harder than a fairway. So it is not that Phil gambled with a tough shot, he "gambled" by opening himself up to criticism.

Bill,
It might not rise to the status of miracle but you are totally underestimating the difficulty of that shot. Hitting a ball as hard as he did from pine straw is a difficult task, especially when aiming it at the small target he chose and not just at the center of the green....and did you notice how compact his follow through was?

He's one of the few players willing to take a chance, no matter the stakes. I hope he never changes.

Jim,

I am the one who brought up the shot on 13, I know it was a great shot. However, if you break it down, it was not as hard as it first appeared for these reasons:

1) The trees were so close to the ball that he knew he would not hit them. It was a simple mental hurdle to just forget the trees.
2) Hitting a solid shot off pine straw is only slightly more difficult than fairway, far easier than rough. Pines straw lifts the ball nicely and it is is not hard to put a good clean hit on the ball and
3) He played a club that would either reach the hole or go long and he had a banked green as a backstop. IMO, hitting a crucial shot when "long is ok" is the most comfortable thought.

Nevertheless, I think it was a tremendously gutsy play, I commend him for the attempt, and he hit it perfectly. He deserved to win.

Sean Leary

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2010, 01:54:21 PM »
I was stunned when Phil hit that iron on 13 from the line needles onto the green. If that shot had landed two yards short and in the creek, Phil would have been harshly criticized, just as he was for hitting driver on 18 at Winged Foot. I have to give him tremendous credit for having the courage and confidence to hit that shot yesterday. It was not a "miraclous" shot once he determined that the trees were not really in play and hitting a ball cleanly off pine needles is not much harder than a fairway. So it is not that Phil gambled with a tough shot, he "gambled" by opening himself up to criticism.

Bill,
It might not rise to the status of miracle but you are totally underestimating the difficulty of that shot. Hitting a ball as hard as he did from pine straw is a difficult task, especially when aiming it at the small target he chose and not just at the center of the green....and did you notice how compact his follow through was?

He's one of the few players willing to take a chance, no matter the stakes. I hope he never changes.

Jim,

I am the one who brought up the shot on 13, I know it was a great shot. However, if you break it down, it was not as hard as it first appeared for these reasons:

1) The trees were so close to the ball that he knew he would not hit them. It was a simple mental hurdle to just forget the trees.
2) Hitting a solid shot off pine straw is only slightly more difficult than fairway, far easier than rough. Pines straw lifts the ball nicely and it is is not hard to put a good clean hit on the ball and
3) He played a club that would either reach the hole or go long and he had a banked green as a backstop. IMO, hitting a crucial shot when "long is ok" is the most comfortable thought.

Nevertheless, I think it was a tremendously gutsy play, I commend him for the attempt, and he hit it perfectly. He deserved to win.

Did he hit the tree on his follow through? I thought he did but couldn't tell for sure.

The TV makes everything look tighter than it is, so it is hard to tell really how much room he had.

Stan Dodd

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2010, 02:06:53 PM »
The waitress I know in Pacific Grove who received the $100 tip for a $20 breakfast thinks he is a pretty good guy.
My buddies who were playing Steele Canyon in San Diego when he was practicing on the course and greeted them, shook hands all around and then let them play through do not think of him as FIGJAM.

Scott Warren

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2010, 02:10:03 PM »
Thanks Stan, Ian and others.

The recurring theme appears to be that those who have met him have had generally prositive experiences...

Brent Hutto

Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2010, 02:12:36 PM »
Yeah, and for the guys who don't like him those positive encounters just prove he's a "faker"...as though that's a bad thing.

Tim Pitner

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2010, 03:10:07 PM »
I'm not a "Phil hater"--I certainly don't have any inside scoop on him being a phony--but I've never rooted for him.  Maybe it was the up-turned collar and the acid-washed polos he wore when he first turned pro?  He struck me as somewhat smarmy and cheesy.  And he was an example of a style over substance kind of player--he had the game but not the mettle to win majors.  Obviously, that's changed.  His game has come a long way.  He used to be a long hitter who occassionally got hot with his irons and who relied a lot on his short game.  Now, his long game has finally caught up--you have to credit Butch Harmon (at least in part) for Phil's metamorphosis into a great ball-striker.  He really wasn't one before. 

I've never rooted for Tiger either--even before recent events, he seemed like kind of a jerk.  To me, Lee Westwood is the sort of player I would think people would root for--he's certainly more of an everyman than Phil or Tiger and he has a pretty nice comeback story of his own going on.  But, he's British (foreign) and maybe that's a minus in some people's eyes.  And, there are some people who like a winner no matter what.  (I'm not in favor of treating Tiger like a leper but I thought the story of Tiger's "comeback" was a bit much--how much credit do you want for "coming back" from sleeping around too much?)

JC Jones

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2010, 04:11:50 PM »
Scott,

I was (attempting) to be complimentary.  And yes, I am very much a Phil fan. 

I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Scott Szabo

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2010, 05:12:34 PM »
I've always been a big fan of Phil's.  I had the pleasure of walking a round with him at the International during the pro-am a few years back.  It was a bit windy that day and if memory serves me correctly, he shot 85.  Couldn't have been more of a gentleman during the round and interacted quite generously with his pro-am partners, as well as with those of us helping during the tournament.  Could the same be said about many other professionals while in the midst of a horrific round?  I'm not so sure...

  
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"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

Matthew Rose

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American-Australian. Trackman Course Guy. Fatalistic sports fan. Drummer. Bass player. Father. Cat lover.

Steve Pozaric

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2010, 05:59:28 PM »
Gotta love the green jacket in the drive-through.

A friend played with Phil in a pro am two summers ago and had absolutely nothing but positive things to say about Phil after the experience. 
Steve Pozaric

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2010, 07:06:34 PM »
I've posted this before:

He and the missus took an entire school full of children to a big box department store and bought them a school year's worth of clothing and classroom supplies.

"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Cliff Hamm

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2010, 07:11:34 PM »
Ok..so still waiting for the huge negatives about Phil...overall comments have been absolutely positive - family man, tips well, considerate to amateurs, treats people well, etc.  Tell me what I'm missing.

Sean Leary

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2010, 07:47:28 PM »
Ok..so still waiting for the huge negatives about Phil...overall comments have been absolutely positive - family man, tips well, considerate to amateurs, treats people well, etc.  Tell me what I'm missing.

Perhaps people have mistaken his some of his awkwardness for arrogance....

Chris Kane

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2010, 11:51:12 PM »
As with many Tour-related things, I don't know the ins and outs, I'm just a fan/viewer, so maybe he really is an arsehole and has his legion of fans conned, but if he is and does, could someone with actual knowledge of Phil Mickelson the person please speak up?

Many think he's a fake. 

And there are two rumours which have not been addressed - the nine-figure gambling debt and fathering an illegitimate child. I have absolutely no idea whether those rumours are true or not. 

Sean Leary

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2010, 11:56:17 PM »
As with many Tour-related things, I don't know the ins and outs, I'm just a fan/viewer, so maybe he really is an arsehole and has his legion of fans conned, but if he is and does, could someone with actual knowledge of Phil Mickelson the person please speak up?

Many think he's a fake. 

And there are two rumours which have not been addressed - the nine-figure gambling debt and fathering an illegitimate child. I have absolutely no idea whether those rumours are true or not. 

Nine figures? I think it was only 8? ;)




Shane Gurnett

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #47 on: April 13, 2010, 12:13:22 AM »
Sean, the rumours going around a few years ago re Phils gambling suggested the losses were well north of $100m and that Callaway bailed him out. Chris, the second rumour involved a hooker didn't it? Again, no idea if they were true or not, but interesting nonetheless.

jeffwarne

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #48 on: April 13, 2010, 12:14:52 AM »
Sean, the rumours going around a few years ago re Phils gambling suggested the losses were well north of $100m and that Callaway bailed him out. Chris, the second rumour involved a hooker didn't it? Again, no idea if they were true or not, but interesting nonetheless.

no golf company pays out 100 million
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Shane Gurnett

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Re: Some details from the vocal Phil haters, please
« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2010, 12:16:06 AM »
Jeff, maybe they have Phil locked into a long term contract and get it back that way? Didn't they do something similar with Daly?

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