[PThomas]

i understand bids are due this APril 30..

my question:  where should it be held?  at a traditional venue?  in some country where golf could use a boost?  some great course that has never held the event?

i just hope it doesnt go out to the high bidder again.....

[Adrian_Stiff]

i understand bids are due this APril 30..

my question:  where should it be held?  at a traditional venue?  in some country where golf could use a boost?  some great course that has never held the event?

i just hope it doesnt go out to the high bidder again.....

Paul - I expect it will. My first guess would be they would want Sweden for 2018. With the GB & I + Europe integration it must go to Europe more, provided they bid enough

[Tony_Muldoon]

i understand bids are due this APril 30..

my question:  where should it be held?  at a traditional venue?  in some country where golf could use a boost?  some great course that has never held the event?

i just hope it doesnt go out to the high bidder again.....

Paul - I expect it will. My first guess would be they would want Sweden for 2018. With the GB & I + Europe integration it must go to Europe more, provided they bid enough

AS Mr Alliss has pointed out. With the 'Fedex' and 'Road to wherever has any spare cash left now' fixtures  in September and pro play getting slower and slower, is there enough hours of daylight for them to get round a golf course twice in one day in Nothern Europe in October?

If we have any fog delays at Celtic Manor look forward to the 5 day Ryder Cup in future, with only a single round each day. It would be a money spinner but a huge turnoff to travelling any distance to attend.


I know lets speed up play by introducing  a competion ball, allowing rounds to be played at less than 7000 yards.  Anyone want to join me in selling this idea to the authorities?

[Adrian_Stiff]

The daylight issue is a good point Tony, I had not considered that, however whilst they have not mucked about with the format for 30 odd years, they changed the format amost bi-annually previously. Money will dictate (sadly), perhaps a switch of months, I guess early September for Sweden woud be ok, if it was mid June you could pay 72 holes per day!.

[Ronald Montesano]

Let's remember that the international olympic committee moved the Seoul games to September, I believe.  Having a Ryder Cup in Sweden at a more palatable moment in the calendar year should be viable and considered.

[Matt_Ward]

Gents:

Any place BUT The Belfry !

FYI -- I have heard on the rumor mill that Verdura -- the new Kyle Philips layout in Sicily (36 holes) may also be making a move towards getting attention -- if not for 2018 then for other considerations.

[JESII]

With the Italians winning the World Cup, no better time for Italy to throw whatever is needed on the table...

[Adrian_Stiff]

Gents:

Any place BUT The Belfry !

FYI -- I have heard on the rumor mill that Verdura -- the new Kyle Philips layout in Sicily (36 holes) may also be making a move towards getting attention -- if not for 2018 then for other considerations.

In some respects, the course seems to matter much less for the ryder cup, its more about the battle. The Belfry is a favourite with some ofcourse, lots out there see modern inland courses as the premier, not the favoured ones liked here. I think the Belfry is not a bad ryder cup venue tbh.

[PThomas]

God how i hate the Belfry

[Cristian]

Anything organised before 21 september in Sweden would provide MORE daylght not less than in more southern locations, it is ony well into October where daylight in Scandinavia becomes considerably shorter than in the rest of europe.

[Philippe Binette]

MORFONTAINE... MORFONTAINE... please

[PCCraig]

It's sad to watch the current bidding process for the Euro host site.

Wouldn't it be cool if instead of the K club they played at County Down, or instead of this year in Wales they played at Sunningdale, or what about another Ryder Cup at St. Andrews? Even when heading into the heart of Europe it can't be that hard to find a quality classic design...can it?

[Dean Stokes]

God how i hate the Belfry

So when you watch the repeats of those awesome Ryder Cups in the mid eighties, it really matters that they were at The Belfry? They were great events and would probably not have been so great played at somewhere like Woodhall Spa (as an example of a much better course), that would not cause the same matchplay experience.

It's all about drama and holes that can cause drama. Carnoustie with it's burn running round the last few holes may achieve this. Surely there are some European courses that can provide the same results. Drivable par 4's, go for par 5's over trouble and a dramatic finish that could see 'car crashes' or brilliance that wins matches.

We watch dour golf for forty some weeks per year. Let's at least have fun during the Ryder up.

PS. It's over eight years away so who really cares

[Alfonso Erhardt]

Pat,

A classic course will not be the case. At least if Spain is elected (which I believe it won't be). In Madrid they are saying that they would build a new facility if we are awarded the Ryder Cup.....

[PThomas]

God how i hate the Belfry

So when you watch the repeats of those awesome Ryder Cups in the mid eighties, it really matters that they were at The Belfry? They were great events and would probably not have been so great played at somewhere like Woodhall Spa (as an example of a much better course), that would not cause the same matchplay experience.

It's all about drama and holes that can cause drama. Carnoustie with it's burn running round the last few holes may achieve this. Surely there are some European courses that can provide the same results. Drivable par 4's, go for par 5's over trouble and a dramatic finish that could see 'car crashes' or brilliance that wins matches.

We watch dour golf for forty some weeks per year. Let's at least have fun during the Ryder up.

PS. It's over eight years away so who really cares

how do we know they wouldnt have been as good - or even better - if they had been played elsewhere Dean??

its not like the Belfry is close to being a great course, or even a good one....everything i've read and seen shows it to be a BAD golf course, oen that is not worthy to hold an event the stature of the Cup

this event should only be played on the best courses there are..its esp bad when it can be bought....the people who decide that should really really be ashamed of themselves

[Adrian_Stiff]

Paul - I am not sure what your saying would be a majority view. I was with someone this morning that cited The Belfry as his favourite course, when I questioned him he said.. the drama, the history, where Seve drove the green, Sam holed the putt. In some respects the Belfry is hand in hand with the renaissance of The Ryder Cup, pre Belfry days it was not much of an event. The Belfry has some average bits but so do lots of championship courses, but the whole thing (TOC 18th) gets elevated by history. I think if you asked the average golfers where do you want to play Westward Ho! or The Belfry it would be a landslide. This site is very narrow what it likes and dislikes and is not a fair reflection of the masses, I am more liking the minimal thing since I found this site, but its a long haul to convince all. The good thing about the Belfry for match play purposes is there are lots of dramatic bits on that back 9, the easy 10th, the hard 12th, par 5 15th, tricky green at 16, par 5 17th and then 18. The biggest plus is location and ease of viewing. The Ryder Cup is very commercial and raises millions that gets directed back into PGA golf, they cant go to somewhere which wont maximise the £££££.

[Dean Stokes]

Paul, it was being bought back in the eighties when it was at The Belfry. Who cares? Money talks in this world and more than ever in golf.

The belfry may not be a great course. I feel like you are missing the point though. The Ryder Cup is about excitement. The 10th and 18th holes at The Belfry truely provide that.

When a player misses the fairway at 18 and has to go for the green, you know there is a chance for a splash or some great shot. That is fun to watch.

Who cares about whether it is on a 'classic' or not? 99.99% could not. The other 0.01% are on this website and then only a few are really bothered I would presume.

You may want to poll the members of these 'classic' courses and see how many of them want there course to be used for The Ryder Cup. I suspect not many.

[Mark Chaplin]

Private clubs such as RCD and Sunningdale would be asking the facility fee, it is my understanding the the future venues pay a high five figure sum as a licence just to say RC venue in ..... hence it's announced so early. Plus there is the main fee to pay. There is zero chance
of a traditional venue bidding to pay to host it.

[Adrian_Stiff]

I heard (could be crap) Celtic paid £30,000,000. I am not sure how that is broken down but Terry Matthews has been fantastic to Welsh golf and to the PGA by funding golf plus he has created hundreds of jobs in a fairly depressed area and the whole area feel very proud of Celtic Manor.

[Tom Birkert]

The Ryder Cup is simply a cash cow. I hate what they've done in Europe with regards to the choice of venues recently, and I think it's only going to get worse.

Celtic Manor as a venue is a joke as far as I'm concerned.

The Ryder Cup is being devalued by choosing venues such as The K Club and Celtic Manor.

They should look to make less money but play at better courses for the long term good of the Ryder Cup.

No chance of Morfontaine though. No one would be able to find it!!!

[Matt_Ward]

Tom:

Spot on with your take on Celtic Manor -- the Ryder Cup is nothing more than a mercenary event -- sell to the highest bidder.

[Dean Stokes]

In all honesty guys, the Ryder Cup is NOT about the golf course. Who cares if it is on the local muni? It is about drama, excitement and who wins.

All of us are on this site because we like great golf architecture and discussing it. I would probably NEVER go to the British Isles and play either The Belfry or Celtic Manor but it does not matter to me one iota if a pro/team/matchplay event for three days is held there.

Nobody remembers the course, they remember who wins. I am just watching the golf channel and a program about the top 10 ocean courses. One gentleman just said he cannot believe the Cup has not been back to Kiawah due to the DRAMA that course brings. This is a man made links by Pete Dye with guess what, man made water hazards. Maybe one of the best Ryder Cups ever televised.

And if some businessman wants to pay millions to revitalize an area and give money back to golf who are we to stop that, so we can see one of our 'beloved classic' courses on tv?

[Brian Phillips]

The Ryder Cup will be going to Sweden and it will be at Bro Hof.

The perfect golf course for the perfect commercial event.

http://www.brohofslott.se/en/show.php

[Adrian_Stiff]

Largely though Matt isnt that the world. What would you do if you were in charge? The money remember is directed back into golf, the Ryder Cup spawns lots of tournaments on the second tier tours, its a bit like our own Open championship that generates so much money it cant go to an Aberdeen or Dornoch or another great course. The infrastructure thing has dominated. The thing to remember is the Ryder Cup will be just as good wherever, the KClub event was fantastic, and ever Belfry one. I am not convinced a Ryder Cup at Sunningdale would be any better.

[Dean Stokes]

The Ryder Cup will be going to Sweden and it will be at Bro Hof.

The perfect golf course for the perfect commercial event.

http://www.brohofslott.se/en/show.php

PERFECT

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