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Jon Heise

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Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« on: November 10, 2009, 04:13:51 PM »
Probably my favorite of the 3 Dixie rounds was Palmetto GC.  There are three things I tend to look for in a golf course- beautiful scenery, strategic and fun golf, interesting history.  It's a rare thing for a golf course to have all three at the same time.  Palmetto does it.  Friday night we were treated to a presentation on the course, but several of us were able to get our own personal tour while playing with Palmetto member Tony J.  Not to take away from any of the great courses we played this weekend, the most significant memory I'll take away from this trip is the sense of generosity and pride the members had in their courses.  It seemed to me that while they enjoyed their course, they enjoyed sharing it with newcomers even more.  Don't see that in my area very much...

Now on to Palmetto GC:  My expectations going into the round were pretty high.  

Some things I really liked-  Gentle rolling terrain.  It must have been easy to spot holes on this property back then.  Everything fit just in place.  The width the course played at.  Sure you could bomb it anywhere, but getting it on the right angle into the green was a huge task.  The greens.  I hadn't been so terrified or confused on a green since I played Crystal Downs.  They didn't have gigantic up and down movements for the most part.  They were very subtle, and mix that with the type of grass, I was totally perplexed.  While they were wild, at no point did I think they were unfair, even though I might have putt one off the green into a bunker.  (ahem, 13... everyone did it so I dont feel bad :) )  I can appreciate how the course defends itself at such a "short" length, all the uphill shots will tire you out.  When you do get to the green, you cant let up.  Scruffy bunkers and turf.  GCs dont need to be perfectly Forest Dunesy manicured!  The par 3's were difficult for me as a couple went straight up the hill.  I played so poorly all weekend, that became a chore.  It's definitely got a great mix of fun/quirky/everyday kind of play, but it can be turned to a championship caliber course quickly...

Now the pics...  

1 tee shot.  Big drop to the fw, kinda cool to see how the #1 fw, #15 tee and #14 green all intersect.


1 green


2 approach.  Pinehusrt style raised green with dropoff behind


3's massive green, with its massive-er drop off in front.  Unfortunately didnt seen anybody send one flying back down the fairway.  Im sure it happened though!


4th tee shot and green.  Nice amphitheater setting.  Would love to see it when all the flowers are in bloom.




Some had some complaints with the zaniness of the 5th green.  Just stick it to 3 ft and its pretty easy guys...


Here's a behind the green shot of the par 5 6th, overlooking the day's featured pairing and the wild 7th hole






7 is a medium/short par 3.  Dont miss.  Anywhere...






Another of 6 green.  Very elegant.


You can really see the width of the fairway here in #8.  It reallly pinches in to the green, one that was rather sloped




Par 3 9th is straight up the hill and very difficult.


10 plays as a 3 shot par 5, unless you're Ryan Simper and you blast 250 yd 3 wood over greens.  Fairly difficult green here.


Par 3 11th reminds me of my home state of Michigan, with all our drop shot par 3's.  Were we in Gaylord or something?


12 is the best hole on the course.  Beutiful and up a gentle hill to a crazy green.  380 yards has never played so long...


13th is a longish par 4 to the green with an "interesting pin position"


Par 5 14th from the trench


I thought a sub 300 yard par 4 would be nice with the 15, until I noticed it was insanely up hill


LONG par 3 16th.  Mayyyybe a boring hole.  I had to hit driver up there...  I tended to like the "Loop" as members call it, 16-17-18.  Maybe put in an odd location, maybe kind of forced, but I liked the fact that the course is wide open until you get here, then tightens up like a snake around your neck.  Good luck in tournaments!


17 thru the trees, down the hill


...to a pretty green just over a valley


Then off to 18, over the scruffy sand to a tight fairway


...and a fun setting right beside the clubhouse.


And what a beauty it is





« Last Edit: November 10, 2009, 04:49:48 PM by Jon Heise »
I still like Greywalls better.

Joe Hancock

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2009, 05:26:59 PM »
Jon,

Thanks for taking those pictures. A great reminder of a wonderful course.

Joe
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John Mayhugh

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2009, 05:34:35 PM »
Nice photos Jon.  I'll add some more when I get a chance. 

Palmetto reminded me a lot of Pasatiempo.  Different flora, but similar greens and playing feel.  Already looking forward to getting back down there.  After I-40 reopens, it's only a little over seven hours from Louisville.

Jamey Bryan

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2009, 07:57:09 PM »
John:

Come down any time......  with some advance planning, a trip could be put together including Palmetto, Aiken, Camden, Country Club of Charleston, Yeamans, and Bull's Bay (all within 1.5 hours of each other).  This even omits obvious candidates like the Ocean Course....

Jamey

Mark Pritchett

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 09:06:36 PM »
Thanks for the photos, keep'em coming! 

RJ_Daley

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2009, 09:37:14 PM »
WOW!!! That golf course is oozing with charm! Thanks for sharing those pics with folks like me who are just kicking themselves for having missed the D.C.  I'll have to live vicariously through your generous posts again for a while...
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Mike Sweeney

Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2009, 09:51:34 PM »
  After I-40 reopens, it's only a little over seven hours from Louisville.

In Kenya, "going for a jog" means running a marathon. In the land of Mayhugh, "a local course" is seven hours from home!!  :D

Thanks everyone for the pictures. Anything from Camden CC?

Jon Heise

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2009, 10:32:24 PM »
Quote
Come down any time......  with some advance planning, a trip could be put together including Palmetto, Aiken, Camden, Country Club of Charleston, Yeamans, and Bull's Bay (all within 1.5 hours of each other).  This even omits obvious candidates like the Ocean Course....

Jamey

Jamey, I know I'd love to make that trip, plus I could visit some friends in Charleston.  And I definitely want another go at Camden after the beatdown it put on me Sunday!  ;)


I've got plenty of Camden too, will get a chance to post tomorrow...
I still like Greywalls better.

Tim Taylor

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2009, 11:13:23 PM »
Nice photos Jon.  I'll add some more when I get a chance. 

Palmetto reminded me a lot of Pasatiempo.  Different flora, but similar greens and playing feel.  Already looking forward to getting back down there.  After I-40 reopens, it's only a little over seven hours from Louisville.

John, I had the exact same thought. In fact, I thought it was the toughest "short" course I'd played since Pasatiempo. Seemed to have just as many uphill approaches and the greens were damn near as demanding. I hope I find myself in Aiken in the future.

Tim

John Mayhugh

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2009, 08:17:10 AM »
Jamey,
Hopefully I can make it back down sometime this winter. 

Mike,
Come play some golf courses in Kentucky.  You'll start to understand my madness. 
I have some photos of Camden, but not enough.  I forgot to recharge my camera battery and it gave out on me.  Fortunately Jon H said he'll be posting some.

Sean_A

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2009, 08:40:45 AM »
Yep, Palmetto looks a lovely course.  You lot must have had a wonderful time - if not - look in the mirror...

Thanks for the pix Jon.

Ciao
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Anthony Gray

Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2009, 09:00:42 AM »


  The 7th is my favorite. 

  Anthony


Carl Nichols

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2009, 09:26:06 AM »
Yep, Palmetto looks a lovely course.  You lot must have had a wonderful time - if not - look in the mirror...


Ditto -- looks like fun courses, terrific weather, and some craic.  What more could one want? 

JC Jones

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2009, 10:11:42 AM »
What stuck out for me was that the green complexes and the greens were absolutely phenomenal (obviously MacKenzie) but the routing was lacking.  Except for a few holes that were truly outstanding in their use of the land (6 and 7), I found some of the transitions to be awkward and thought the land was perhaps not used to its fullest potential.

I am speaking of 15, and also the requirement of an uphill approach shot on close to 14 holes. 

Please also keep in mind that I am nit-picking here and not speaking of the course negatively overall.
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

John Shimp

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2009, 09:08:03 PM »
JC,
How do you get 14 uphill hole approach shots?  You must be confusing pop up greens with up hill shots?  The truly uphill approaches are 1, 5, 9, 12,  13, and 15 (only if you don't drive to the top; if you do it plays a lightening fast flat to a run away green).  The flat approaches with raised greens are 2, 3, and 16.  The flat shots are 6 (your second is over a hill then acutally down hill to the green which you can easily run on), 7, 10, and 18 (unless you are way back then it is barely uphill to a flat green with deep bunkers).  The downhill shots are 4, 8 (slight), 11, and 17.  14 is the only one that is really variable as you might have a tiny uphill short iron if you are within 150 or so or a downhill if you are beyond 150 yds.  The course does play kind of long but its mostly because you can't run it on too many greens due to pops or protective bunkering.   There really aren't a crazy number of uphill approach shot holes although there are several with quite a severe uphill approaches and tee balls.



 

JC Jones

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2009, 09:19:43 PM »
JC,
How do you get 14 uphill hole approach shots?  You must be confusing pop up greens with up hill shots?  The truly uphill approaches are 1, 5, 9, 12,  13, and 15 (only if you don't drive to the top; if you do it plays a lightening fast flat to a run away green).  The flat approaches with raised greens are 2, 3, and 16.  The flat shots are 6 (your second is over a hill then acutally down hill to the green which you can easily run on), 7, 10, and 18 (unless you are way back then it is barely uphill to a flat green with deep bunkers).  The downhill shots are 4, 8 (slight), 11, and 17.  14 is the only one that is really variable as you might have a tiny uphill short iron if you are within 150 or so or a downhill if you are beyond 150 yds.  The course does play kind of long but its mostly because you can't run it on too many greens due to pops or protective bunkering.   There really aren't a crazy number of uphill approach shot holes although there are several with quite a severe uphill approaches and tee balls.



 

I find the approaches on 1, 5, 6, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15 and 18 to be uphill.  I think 4 is flat, although the green is built up so it feels up hill.  I agree re 8, 11 and 17 (and 7 is also flat).  I also agree re 2, 3 and 16.  So, I was off by a few but with 10 holes (imo) up hill and another 4 being flat but to built up greens, I get to 14. 

Again, I want to be clear, I'm not knocking Palmetto in any way, its an awesome course and I really enjoyed playing it and would be excited to have the chance to play it again, just trying to clarify why I lean towards Aiken (barely).
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Steve Wilson

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2009, 09:55:34 PM »
At breakfast in the Hotel Aiken on Saturday morning someone mentioned that the partying at the hotel woke them up a time or two during the night.  I replied that I didn't experience that but I did keep waking up in a cold sweat due to a recurring dream that I was above the hole on the short side.  I think the green complexes were the most diabolical I have ever played. 

Mark Pritchett had described one of the par fives at Augusta Country Club as being an algebra problem.  I would extend that metaphor by describing the holes at Palmetto as calculus.   And for all of that I would gladly put myself through the punishment of Palmetto all over again.  If you couldn't learn something on every round there I think it would be because you weren't paying attention.
Some days you play golf, some days you find things.

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John Mayhugh

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2009, 10:33:15 PM »
At breakfast in the Hotel Aiken on Saturday morning someone mentioned that the partying at the hotel woke them up a time or two during the night.  I replied that I didn't experience that but I did keep waking up in a cold sweat due to a recurring dream that I was above the hole on the short side.  I think the green complexes were the most diabolical I have ever played. 

Mark Pritchett had described one of the par fives at Augusta Country Club as being an algebra problem.  I would extend that metaphor by describing the holes at Palmetto as calculus.   And for all of that I would gladly put myself through the punishment of Palmetto all over again.  If you couldn't learn something on every round there I think it would be because you weren't paying attention.


Great post Steve.   I would throw in some geometry too.  I thought the greens & playing angles at Palmetto were brilliant.

Jason Topp

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2009, 12:52:59 AM »
For those that have played both - which is more challenging - the greens at Kingsley or Palmetto? 



JC Jones

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2009, 07:04:24 AM »
For those that have played both - which is more challenging - the greens at Kingsley or Palmetto? 




Kingsley.  Palmetto's difficulty was accentuated by the speed.
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Mark Pritchett

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2009, 10:04:27 AM »

Mark Pritchett had described one of the par fives at Augusta Country Club as being an algebra problem.  I would extend that metaphor by describing the holes at Palmetto as calculus.   And for all of that I would gladly put myself through the punishment of Palmetto all over again.  If you couldn't learn something on every round there I think it would be because you weren't paying attention.


In full disclosure I believe I borrowed the "algebra" line from John Stiles when he was describing the Par 7th at Holston Hills to me.


Steve Wilson

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2009, 10:30:05 AM »
Mark,

It's good of you to credit John Stiles's with being the originator of the "algebra" remark, but it's okay that you didn't at the time.  We're geeky enough on this site without exacerbating the condition by providing footnotes for attribution during converations while playing.

Thanks again for hosting at ACC.  As you could tell both then and then at Camden on Sunday I enjoyed meeting you and playing your home course.

John Mayhugh,

Yeah, geometry probably would have been a better choice than algegra, particularly if we make it solid geometry.  But you have to recognize I'm from a time and place where I was taught 'rithmetic instead of math.


Some days you play golf, some days you find things.

I'm not really registered, but I couldn't find a symbol for certifiable.

"Every good drive by a high handicapper will be punished..."  Garland Bailey at the BUDA in sharing with me what the better player should always remember.

JC Jones

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2009, 10:33:51 AM »
John Mayhugh,

Yeah, geometry probably would have been a better choice than algegra, particularly if we make it solid geometry.  But you have to recognize I'm from a time and place where I was taught 'rithmetic instead of math.


You should be proud to be from West Virginia, not use it as a crutch.  Heck, WV produced such great people as Rich Rodriguez and Anthony Gray ;) ;D
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Steve Wilson

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2009, 10:40:56 AM »
I am proud to be from WV.  That's why you will understand that I look to those exemplars you have referenced as the very beau ideals of loyalty and fashion sense.  I leave it to you to sort out who's who.   ;D
Some days you play golf, some days you find things.

I'm not really registered, but I couldn't find a symbol for certifiable.

"Every good drive by a high handicapper will be punished..."  Garland Bailey at the BUDA in sharing with me what the better player should always remember.

Jason Topp

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Re: Dixie Recap, Palmetto GC
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2009, 10:59:23 AM »
For those that have played both - which is more challenging - the greens at Kingsley or Palmetto? 




Kingsley.  Palmetto's difficulty was accentuated by the speed.

I'm not sure what you mean by that but I bet Kingsley's greens were faster.  Palmetto's greens had much more severe slopes combined with some very difficult hole locations.

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