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scott_wood

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last week there was a short thread tiltled "Golf Digest top 100 USA complete list"......

GCA has discussed these lists ad nauseum since it's inception, and continues to with each "new" ( read "updated" ) list publised...
The last post was somewhat misleading, in that it referred to/included the earliest lists of Golf Digest , which was not their Top 100 List......

As a summary only ( as I understand it), Golf Digest  was the first golfing publication to publish a list in 1966 but it was NOT Top 100 in the US, it was "America's Toughest 200 Courses" . That list was updated in 1967. However the list now known as Top 100 US ( interestingly titled "America's 100 Most Testing Courses")  was not published until 1969, and listed the courses by inclusion to a "first ten" "fifth ten" grouping, but with no specific numerical designation within the grouping  In 1971 the list was broken in to "first ten" through "fifth ten",  then had a "Second Fifity", again aphabetically. That format continued until 1987 when the Top 100 courses finally were listed by number (Sawgrass CC #100).   The name changed in1975 to the present one: "America's 100 Greatest Golf courses".

Since that first GD list in 1969, throught the recently released 2009/2010 list, there have been 229 seperate courses identified.

Golf Magazine was second to publish, debuting with a Top 100 , but "World", I believe in 1983 ( a World 50 debuted in 1981). Their US Top 100 was first seen in 1991 ( Wannamoisit # 100). There have only been 170 courses identified by Golf magazine.

If you combine the two lists, there have been 269 courses..ie Golf has identified 40 courses that have not made the GD list.

And, finally (snore, snore snore) as you all know , Golfweek found their own niche in 1997 having TWO lists, Modern (Bluffs on Thompson Creek #100) and Classical (Kebo Valley #100). Of interest may be that GW has identiifed only 136 classical courses, but, understandably enough given the golf boom of the 90's and early part of this decade, 223 Modern courses.

If you combine these 3 magazine's lists ( forget T&L, Zagat etc etc..) 423 courses have been identified....

and the trivia question is: How many Clubs/Golf complexes located in close proximity under teh same ownership, have had more than one course listed as Top 100? Obvious hint: Winged Foot and the Bandon Group?

Cheers
Scott
 

Jim Franklin

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2009, 01:48:44 PM »
7.
Mr Hurricane

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2009, 01:56:39 PM »
A man on a mission from God with a bit of time on his hands. cheers

Mike Sweeney

Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2009, 02:00:05 PM »
A man on a mission from God with a bit of time on his hands. cheers

Tiger,

Are you talking about yourself, Scott or Mr Hurricane? I don't think any of you are "Master of Your Domain" when it comes to saying no to a course with open peg hole next to it!  :D :-*

PS. BC is an open target this year during football season, so feel free to take a swipe!

scott_wood

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2009, 03:04:08 PM »
previosuly asked:
b]and the trivia question is: How many Clubs/Golf complexes located in close proximity under teh same ownership, have had more than one course listed as Top 100? Obvious hint: Winged Foot and the Bandon Group[/b]?

Jim, 7 is not even close.....

to better rephrase the question(s)
1. How many clubs/comlexes have two or more course ever listed on the GD and Golf list?
2. How many if you include Golfweek lists, ever?
3. Bonus question: whcih club/complexes have 2( or more) courses listed on Golfweek but are not listed on GD or Golf?


oh, and which clubs/complexes?
scott

Jim Franklin

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2009, 03:37:49 PM »
Pronghorn.
Mr Hurricane

scott_wood

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2009, 03:41:23 PM »
Jim, Pronghorn is one of the 3 two course Clubs that Golfweek lists, but GD and G don't.......

the other two are?????

scott

Jim Colton

Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2009, 03:41:53 PM »
Just some wild guesses:

Baltusrol
Barton Creek
Blackwolf Run/Whistling Straits
Congressional
Grand National - RTJ Trail
Kiawah Island
Lake of Isles
Oak Hill
Oakland Hills
Olympia Fields
Pinehurst
Pronghorn
Pumpkin Ridge
Red Sky Ranch
Reynolds Plantation
Eagle Ridge Resort
Treetops (Masterpiece)
Troon North Golf Club (Monument)
Wailea Golf Club (Emerald)
Winged Foot (East)
World Woods (Pine Barrens)

jim_lewis

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2009, 04:55:31 PM »
I think it was 3 years ago......Both courses ar Forest Creek were listed in GOLFWEEK's Top 100 Modern. South was listed for many years and now North is.
"Crusty"  Jim
Freelance Curmudgeon

Mark Pritchett

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2009, 05:16:35 PM »
Don't forget Pebble Beach.

scott_wood

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2009, 05:24:31 PM »
Jim and Jim...progress....
yes Forest Creek and Pronghorn are 2 of teh 3 multi course Clubs that Golfweek alone identifies......
and as far as multi course clubs/complexes on both GD and Golf:
Baltusrol
Blackwolf/Whistling aka Koehler
Kiawah (but..trivia..which ones by which mags?)
Pumpkin Ridge and
Winged Foot ( cited in original post)

SO, 8 more clubs/complexes that have been on GD and Golf.....one more that has been listed on Golfweek only....and two that have been on Golfweek and one of the others....


K. Krahenbuhl

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2009, 05:43:04 PM »
Sea Island
Champions
Broadmoor

jim_lewis

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2009, 06:03:13 PM »
GOLFWEEK:

Colleton River (Nicklaus and Dye)
Belfair East and West

I think!

"Crusty"  Jim
Freelance Curmudgeon

scott_wood

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2009, 09:42:38 PM »
Kyle, yes to Jackrabbit (GD & GW only) and Cypress Creek (all 3 mags) @ Champions,

Jim, yes to Colleton, Nicklaus then the Dye (these were Gol Mag only), but a no to Belfair (West only, with GolfWeek only, )

Hints: think Pa, Fl, Az(s).....and a few others....

C. Squier

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2009, 10:06:05 PM »
Whisper Rock
Sawgrass CC / TPC

jim_lewis

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2009, 10:09:16 PM »
As hard as it may be to believe, I seem to recall that there was a time when two of the courses at Grand Cypress may have made the GD list, or was it GM.

Saucan Valley
"Crusty"  Jim
Freelance Curmudgeon

Tony Petersen

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2009, 10:37:15 PM »
How 'bout The Desert Mountain Club in N. Scottsdale, AZ? ;)
Ski - U - Mah... University of Minnesota... "Seven beers followed by two Scotches and a thimble of marijuana and it's funny how sleep comes all on it's own.”

scott_wood

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2009, 03:05:35 AM »
REAL PROGRESS:
Clint: Whisper Rock , Upper and Lower are on Golfweek Modern, but not yet on GD or Golf....a NO to TPC Sawgrass ..even though in close proximity,( closer than Whistling Straits to River as an example)  they are not part of one club ( different ownership)

Jim..resounding yes to Saucon Valley...The Grace is listed by all 3, teh Old by Golf and Golfweek Classical......

Tony Desert Mt seems obvious.....Geronimo and Cochise..BUT both solely by Golf Digest...hmm

more hints;....THINK HI, CA, AND "OLD(ish) FL.....

and hints to the  2 "multi course club" where GD and Golf list one course, and Golfweek lists the other...think "best redo by a deceased GCA"..... and.... "second play" Fl

cheers
scott

Tim Bert

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Cristian

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2009, 07:39:46 AM »
anybody mentioned Torrey Pines?

scott_wood

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2009, 09:15:27 AM »
a YES to MPCC...All 3 have honored the Shore course that has Michael Strantz' imprint ....
but only Golfweek listed, briefly, the Dunes course....

But, alas, Torrey Pines is a NO GO, and is off by approximately 100 crow miles . (hint ,hint)

and, from a previous post by Jim lewis, no to grand Cypress...hint..maybe off by 120 miles, and ten years, or so......

almost all..keep trying

Cheers
Scott 

C. Squier

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2009, 09:22:39 AM »
REAL PROGRESS:
Clint: Whisper Rock , Upper and Lower are on Golfweek Modern, but not yet on GD or Golf....a NO to TPC Sawgrass ..even though in close proximity,( closer than Whistling Straits to River as an example)  they are not part of one club ( different ownership)


Didn't both Sawgrass courses have some affinity when the PGA Tour was making the move from the CC to the TPC?

Mark Pritchett

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2009, 09:29:29 AM »
Homestead
Greenbrier


David Stamm

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2009, 09:34:54 AM »
a YES to MPCC...All 3 have honored the Shore course that has Michael Strantz' imprint ....
but only Golfweek listed, briefly, the Dunes course....

But, alas, Torrey Pines is a NO GO, and is off by approximately 100 crow miles . (hint ,hint)

 

Cheers
Scott 



Pelican Hill?
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

jonathan_becker

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Re: clarification re US Top 100 lists...for those not already snoozing...
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2009, 09:42:00 AM »
PGA West?

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