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Ran Morrissett

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In Part II, we get into the relevance of golf course rankings and what purpose they serve. As Bob writes, Crane thought his system 'furnished an accurate and graphic method of exposing the weak point of any particular course." In other words, after a "scientific" assessment, the specific things that needed improving (that is, things that would make certain features more "ideal" under his system) would jump off his spreadsheets, ready to be "recorded" by the architect and then installed by the green committee. It was just a matter of collecting the data.' For instance, following his system, Crane would go on and propose specifics on how to improve certain holes, like the 16th hole at Pine Valley and the 5th at Myopia.

The universal theme that Crane expressed throughout his writings in the mid-1920s was his quest to seek playing conditions that promoted 'fair play.' Bob explains that 'The point of Crane's rating system was to measure how well a course stacked up against a set of ideals rooted in notions of competitive equity. Those ideals might be summarized as control, predictability and proportionality (hereafter referred to as the "CP&P" principles). For Crane the quality of a golf course was a function of how well it tested each shot (the "C"), the predictability of good or bad outcomes and the proportionality of the penalties imposed (the "P&P").  By contrast, generous playing corridors that failed to control shots; irregular or severe contours, blind shots and inconsistent turf conditions were markers of bad or negligent design.'

Links like Prestwick, North Berwick and especially The Old Course faired so poorly in his rankings because, as Bob writes, they promoted ' "unfair" results caused by "rawnesses" or fluky, badly conditioned features were a particular problem on links courses with their irregular swales, dunes, blow-outs, hidden hazards and inconsistent turf. To the extent these irregularities had a bearing on competitive outcomes, to that extent a course was deficient. Crane suggested that those deficiencies had dire consequences. They risked turning the true sportsman against the golf, disgusted by the game's "inequities." '

Though MacKenzie and others were deeply troubled by Crane's design philosophies, the fact that Crane's scoring system received so much attention and was so appealing to so many people made it impossible to ignore. Plus, Crane's writing enjoyed high visibility in Field Magazine where his hole by hole analysis of many of the great courses appeared frequently. Part II concludes with a chronology of the Crane debates in Field Magazine.

As you can see, his writing was extensive and it served as the basis from which the various parties argued from. And it was this ensuing debate from which much was learned. As for one example, Bob notes how Crane served as the inspiration for Charles Ambrose to write a series of articles on ideal holes. Another example is how Crane drew out Max Behr into a series of debates that were mostly published in Country Club/Pacific Golf & Motor, a California golf and travel magazine. Bob considers their exchanges as one of 'the most remarkable, but perhaps one of the least known, in the history of golf architecture' and Part III centers around this historic exchange of ideas. Indeed, it was Max Behr more so than MacKenzie that was Crane's most 'determined opponent' according to Bob as 'from the beginning Behr saw Crane's course rankings as a Trojan Horse. The real issue was a very troubling design philosophy hidden in its belly and it was that design philosophy that Behr focused on and over which he and Crane did battle. That debate amounted to hand-to-hand combat in letters and articles.' Once again, it is important to appreciate what Bob is pointing out:  the intellectual jostling carried out on such a high plane as this was GREAT for the development of golf course architecture. Anyone here disagree?!

Unlike MacKenzie and others, Bob notes that 'Behr understood that if he wanted to argue against Crane, simply asserting that a course was superior because it was more strategic or more fun or more natural (the tact taken by MacKenzie and others) didn't dent Crane's hull.' Bob goes on to say that 'Behr saw that he needed to take on directly the importance Crane attached to the CP&P principles. As a first order of business he needed to undercut Crane's idea that the CP&P principles should play such a central role in golf architecture. Crane's justification for giving them that central role had great intuitive appeal, however. Crane's observation that if such principles were key to equitable sporting competitions generally and they should apply to golf courses too (mutatis mutandi), was a simple and very attractive proposition. After all, Crane asked, golf is a sport, isn't it? Crane's argument put Behr in a difficult spot. It forced Behr to make what appears at first blush to be a very odd claim. To undercut the centrality Crane wanted to give to the CP&P principles, Behr was forced to make the case that golf was in fact not a competitive sport like others; that golf was in important respects sui generis.'

This is where it gets very complicated and it turns on the highly important distinction that Behr placed on golf being a sport and not a game. In one of the great Behr quotes of all time, Crosby found this gem: 'Golf is not a game. It is a sport. And the very essence of a sport lies in the suspense between the commencement of an action and the knowledge of its result. The courses of the Penal School deny this. The golfer has merely to place his ball within the bounds of the fairway. Thus the expert, because his ball rarely strays, can anticipate knowledge. And the inexpert knows in short order whether his ball is safe or not…This is the status the Penal School has reduced golf to.'

Part III concludes with Crane's writing in 1934 and it will SHOCK you. What he proposes is a strategic enhancement to the first hole of The Old Course (as well as the 2nd, 3rd and 4th) but Crane's  diagram included here by Bob of the 1st is truly brilliant in every respect. Crane's proposed changes to the 1st highlights how much his thinking had evolved since he first went public with his ranking system in 1924. Now, unlike then, strategy plays an important role.

We will post Part IV on Monday after I finish pasting Bart  ;D at Grandfather Mountain this weekend. In the concluding section, Bob shows just how relevant Crane is today's game and concludes that 'if you want to understand the real points of friction in disagreements over foundational issues in golf architecture since the Golden Age, you would do well to use Joshua Crane and the fuss he stirred up in the 1920's as your starting point.'

Don't miss it but in the meanwhile, hope you find Parts II and III as engrossing as I do.

Cheers,

Tom MacWood

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I have a question. Am I doing something wrong when clicking on the footnotes? It appears to be a hyperlink but for some reason I cannot get it to work.

Paul_Turner

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sFantastic stuff Bob....Ambrose is kind of a forgotten man too with his highly distinctive drawing style.    I have some magazine going back to 1909 with his drawings of famous golf personalities.

 In the "Field" articles, where he details specific great British holes, does he draw the hole itself or a schematic/plan?  Thanks
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John Mayhugh

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This gets even better.   Bob, you have done a wonderful job teaching more about Crane than I could have learned anywhere else. 

I wonder why Behr didn't bring up wind during his arguments against Crane's CP&P principles?  That one factor can ensure "fairness" disappears and you cannot design it out. 

BCrosby

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sFantastic stuff Bob....Ambrose is kind of a forgotten man too with his highly distinctive drawing style.    I have some magazine going back to 1909 with his drawings of famous golf personalities.

 In the "Field" articles, where he details specific great British holes, does he draw the hole itself or a schematic/plan?  Thanks

Paul - Yes, there are Ambrose drawings of each of the inland holes he reviewed in Field. They are small and I can't get them to reproduce well off the copies I have. (In fact, they are little blurrs.) He also did a sort of topo diagram of each hole. Not sure how best to describe them.

Bob

TEPaul

In my opinion, Bob Crosby's own term CP&P is a brilliant articulation of the dynamics of and between what some of us refer to as Penal and or vs  Strategic and I think CP&P (control, predictability and proportionality) should become a seriously used part of the lexicon of golf course architecture. It's initial description can be found in Part II.
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Tom MacWood

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TEP
I had a problem with the third P, proportionality. I don't see Crane advocating proportionality as a general rule.

Mike_Young

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Bob,
I have taken the day to read and reread the entire article.....you did a superb job.  And FYI your brother Vic said he would start to read it tonite....
Congrats
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Tom_Doak

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Bob:

Congratulations on your work.  There is a lot in there that I have felt, but never been able to articulate so well, most of all the quote from Browning near the end of Part III.  Of course I don't have the password to read the final instalment yet, but I look forward to it.

Adam Clayman

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TEP
I had a problem with the third P, proportionality. I don't see Crane advocating proportionality as a general rule.

Maybe Homogenize would be a better P word?
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Rich Goodale

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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2009, 03:04:04 AM »
Tom (and Bob)

That Browning quote also struck me as probably the best articulation of the nature and spirit of golf that I have ever seen.

Rich

TEPaul

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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2009, 12:01:00 PM »
"TEP
I had a problem with the third P, proportionality. I don't see Crane advocating proportionality as a general rule."



Tom:

Nevertheless, I think some congratulations are in order to you. At least it seems 2/3 of a concept makes sense to you. I think you are definitely making some good headway! Keep up the good work!  ;)

TEPaul

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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2009, 12:24:30 PM »
Tom:

Bob Crosby can correct me if he thinks I'm wrong about what he means by "proportionality" in the CP&P concept but I think this description by J.H. Taylor in his article "The Evolution of the bunker" pretty well represents what Crane meant by Bob's term "proportionality."


"The value of this system of bunkering lies in it’s powers of graduating the punishment meted out to those golfers who at times wander from the narrow, straight path. The hills and hollows can be constructed that the further the player gets off the course the worse the punishment. The punishment can be made to fit the crime, as it were, and there are few to be found who will not agree that this is as it should be. It is obviously unfair that the ball just finds its way off the course should be treated with the same severity as the ball that is half-way towards the next county."



Of course Taylor was essentially promoting the proportional penalty that resulted from his own idea on his own so-called "Mid Surrey" mounding concept----eg the further off line one went the greater the penalty.

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Tom MacWood

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Re: Part II and Part III of Crosby's Crane piece are now posted under IMO
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2009, 04:12:04 PM »
TEP
Taylor? I thought Bob's essay was about Crane and his rating system.

BCrosby

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Re: Part II and Part III of Crosby's Crane piece are now posted under IMO
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2009, 06:23:30 PM »
Rich -

Yes, the Browning quote is quite good. In fact his History is equally good. People tend to overlook that book but Browning had a sense of the leitmotifs in the world of golf and wrote about them elegantly. Not the usual collection of tournament summaries. (Why is it that so few Americans were/are able to write as well? And Browning isn't usually considered one of the best British golf writers.)

Tom Mac

Crane didn't think proportionality was important? Let's give Josh the microphone:

"The good hole is one where accurate play is always rewarded and inaccurate play is always punished, the rewards and punishment being proportional to the accuracy and inaccuracy."  From a summary of his analytic methods in Field, 9/25. Crane makes the same point at other times in other publications. He's views are actually damn close to Taylor's. And some other people. See the forthcoming Part IV - in your local theater soon.

What's more interesting is how Crane applied such ideas. I think it is fascinating. Perhaps I should have talked about it more in my piece, but Ran wasn't begging me to make it longer ;). For example:

- Crane thought the Eden hole was problematical because you could top a shot and it might roll on the green. Which for Crane was a cardinal sin. There are no proportional rewards and punishments when the design of a hole allows egregiously bad shots to find better rewards than an "almost good" shot that found Strath or Hill bunkers.

- Crane discussed at some length his dislike of o.b., walls, ditches, water, fences, etc. He disliked them because the penalties they imposed were not proportional. He hated the o.b. at Hoylake for that reason. Ditto for ditches at Westward Ho! and walls at N. Berwick and TOC. The crux of the problem for Crane was that a shot x feet off line was ok, but a shot x+1 feet off line was o.b. and a stroke and distance penalty. He talked about this issue at some length in his course reviews. As he noted "It is easy to make a hole difficult..." Making penalties fit the crime was a harder chore.

- Crane thought rough was a good thing for a number of reasons, one of which was because it was naturally so proportional. The deeper into it you went, the worse off you were.

- Crane often discussed bunker sizes, particularly around greens. He thought bigger was better than smaller for, basically, reasons of proportional punishments. He had three lines of thought about the issue.

   - Disproportionate penalties were doled out when two almost identical shots resulted in one being in a bunker and the other on turf. Cure: make greenside bunkers bigger. He hated the pots at TOC for that reason.

   - The penalty of a bunker became proportionate if two  misses both find it, but the worse miss has a longer, much harder shot from the sand. Ergo, proof that bunkers should be big.

   - You don't want to place bunkers too close to greens because "almost good shots" are punished more severely than slobber-knocking foozles hit well away from the green. Think the Road Hole bunker.

There are times when Crane's analysis blended a couple of the CP&P principles. But they were all at the heart of his views. They were the way the rubber met the road when he analyzed specific features on specific holes. I also think they are a useful way to unpack Crane's larger concerns with equity and fairness.


Bob



         

Tom MacWood

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Re: Part II and Part III of Crosby's Crane piece are now posted under IMO
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2009, 06:27:02 PM »
Bob
Where in his rating system do you find the concept of proportionality?

Tom MacWood

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Re: Part II and Part III of Crosby's Crane piece are now posted under IMO
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2009, 08:09:40 PM »
Rich -

Yes, the Browning quote is quite good. In fact his History is equally good. People tend to overlook that book but Browning had a sense of the leitmotifs in the world of golf and wrote about them elegantly. Not the usual collection of tournament summaries. (Why is it that so few Americans were/are able to write as well? And Browning isn't usually considered one of the best British golf writers.)

Tom Mac

Crane didn't think proportionality was important? Let's give Josh the microphone:

"The good hole is one where accurate play is always rewarded and inaccurate play is always punished, the rewards and punishment being proportional to the accuracy and inaccuracy."  From a summary of his analytic methods in Field, 9/25. Crane makes the same point at other times in other publications. He's views are actually damn close to Taylor's. And some other people. See the forthcoming Part IV - in your local theater soon.

What's more interesting is how Crane applied such ideas. I think it is fascinating. Perhaps I should have talked about it more in my piece, but Ran wasn't begging me to make it longer ;). For example:

- Crane thought the Eden hole was problematical because you could top a shot and it might roll on the green. Which for Crane was a cardinal sin. There are no proportional rewards and punishments when the design of a hole allows egregiously bad shots to find better rewards than an "almost good" shot that found Strath or Hill bunkers.

The idea that the topped drive was the worst shot in golf was pretty common, but that is not something Crane was particular worried about. In fact he suggested the ground in front of the tee should be graveled and sanded so the rough would be sparse instead of heavy.

- Crane discussed at some length his dislike of o.b., walls, ditches, water, fences, etc. He disliked them because the penalties they imposed were not proportional. He hated the o.b. at Hoylake for that reason. Ditto for ditches at Westward Ho! and walls at N. Berwick and TOC. The crux of the problem for Crane was that a shot x feet off line was ok, but a shot x+1 feet off line was o.b. and a stroke and distance penalty. He talked about this issue at some length in his course reviews. As he noted "It is easy to make a hole difficult..." Making penalties fit the crime was a harder chore.

Crane did hate water and OB, but he wasn't alone there either.

- Crane thought rough was a good thing for a number of reasons, one of which was because it was naturally so proportional. The deeper into it you went, the worse off you were.

I don't follow you. The farther you hit off line, even if there is no rough, the worse off you are. If he was favoring proportionality wouldn't the trouble become more severe with the ultimate penalty eventually being water or OB?

- Crane often discussed bunker sizes, particularly around greens. He thought bigger was better than smaller for, basically, reasons of proportional punishments. He had three lines of thought about the issue.

Doesn't that relate more to predictability? The smaller the hazard the better your chances are in avoiding it.

   - Disproportionate penalties were doled out when two almost identical shots resulted in one being in a bunker and the other on turf. Cure: make greenside bunkers bigger. He hated the pots at TOC for that reason.

Again, doesn't the relate more to predictability?

   - The penalty of a bunker became proportionate if two  misses both find it, but the worse miss has a longer, much harder shot from the sand. Ergo, proof that bunkers should be big.

Predictability.

   - You don't want to place bunkers too close to greens because "almost good shots" are punished more severely than slobber-knocking foozles hit well away from the green. Think the Road Hole bunker.

Isn't the Road Hole bunker affectively large or larger do to its gathering nature? What did Crane say about the Road Hole bunker?

There are times when Crane's analysis blended a couple of the CP&P principles. But they were all at the heart of his views. They were the way the rubber met the road when he analyzed specific features on specific holes. I also think they are a useful way to unpack Crane's larger concerns with equity and fairness.

There is no doubt Crane system was flawed. Two of the major flaws being half the points are awarded for upkeep and conditioning, and Crane did not incorporate strategic interest into his system. Its understandable since he was new to the game and didn't know what the hell he was doing, and that is why do few took him seriously.


Bob



        
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BCrosby

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Re: Part II and Part III of Crosby's Crane piece are now posted under IMO
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2009, 09:39:30 PM »
Tom -

Crane was neither the first nor the only one to come up with most of the ideas that went into his analysis. I have not claimed otherwise. So I don't get the gotcha tone.

As for your other comments, I confess I don't see where you are going. They are Crane's own examples. He was clearly concerned with proportionality. He said so, it is something that threads its way through almost everything he wrote and it played an important role in his analysis. That Tom MacW thinks that Crane was wrong about Crane's own examples, has no bearing on how Crane saw them. Which, after all, is the point. We are trying to get at what Crane thought. (I think his examples are pretty good, actually.)

If your final point is that Crane wasn't taken seriously in his time, then I have no response other than to ask you to re-read my piece with more care. 

Bob

Tom MacWood

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Re: Part II and Part III of Crosby's Crane piece are now posted under IMO
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2009, 10:11:31 PM »
Bob
I don't believe your examples show Crane's system emphasized proportionality.

As far as Crane being taken seriously one thing I don't understand is why Behr never (or rarely) refers to Crane by name in your Pacific Coast Golfer quotes. Are you certain Behr's comments were directed at Crane?

TEPaul

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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2009, 06:31:23 AM »
"TEP
Taylor? I thought Bob's essay was about Crane and his rating system."


Tom:

It is but I don't believe Crane with his rating system was thinking in some total vacuum, but perhaps you do. I believe Taylor's description is a very good articulation of what Crane was thinking about via Bob Crosby's term "proportionality." However, Bob just produced an even better quote from Crane himself that's an even better articulation of "proportionality." I do realize you may not get it and that's OK; there seems to be a pretty fair number of things that don't make sense to you including this one from Wilson's report to the MCC board----"Your committee desires to report that after laying out numerous different courses on the new land, they went down to the National course....." Pretty straight forward stuff really but for some reason the use of the word "they" in the report seems to have thrown you for a total loop.  ;)

Tom MacWood

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Re: Part II and Part III of Crosby's Crane piece are now posted under IMO
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2009, 06:40:29 AM »
TEP
I don't recall Cranes mentioning JH Taylor by name. Which of Bob's quotes do you think best articulates proportionality?

TEPaul

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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2009, 06:44:05 AM »
"Which of Bob's quotes do you think best articulates proportionality?"


Tom:

I think they both articulate proportionality well but Crane's is better. Despite those two extremely explanatory quotes it's too bad the concept of proportionality doesn't make sense to you but again that's not unusual it seems.

TEPaul

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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2009, 06:48:15 AM »
"As far as Crane being taken seriously one thing I don't understand is why Behr never (or rarely) refers to Crane by name in your Pacific Coast Golfer quotes. Are you certain Behr's comments were directed at Crane?"


Tom:

We are. Behr actually rewrote some of his articles in which he was responding to Crane apparently depending on where his article was being published. In one of them about the first half of his first page directly referred to Crane by name and it was pretty rough on Crane. In the same basic article in another publication he simply removed the first half of that first page referring to Crane and kept the rest of the article the same.


 
"So I don't get the gotcha tone."


Come on Bob, of course you do. His entire raison d'etre on here is to prove people, clubs, their histories etc wrong. That seems to be about all he is interested in doing. I guess he must believe that makes him some kind of expert researcher in someone's eyes. And apparently that is so since he seems to have at least one other strong disciple in that vein on here.  ;)
 
 
 
 
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Tom MacWood

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Re: Part II and Part III of Crosby's Crane piece are now posted under IMO
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2009, 06:53:54 AM »
"The good hole is one where accurate play is always rewarded and inaccurate play is always punished, the rewards and punishment being proportional to the accuracy and inaccuracy."  

TEP
How did Crane translate proportionality into his system?
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Tom MacWood

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Re: Part II and Part III of Crosby's Crane piece are now posted under IMO
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2009, 06:56:03 AM »
Tom:

We are. Behr actually rewrote some of his articles in which he was responding to Crane apparently depending on where his article was being published. In one of them about the first half of his first page directly referred to Crane by name and it was pretty rough on Crane. In the same basic article in another publication he simply removed the first half of that first page referring to Crane and kept the rest of the article the same.  
 

TEP
Could you specify which articles refer to Crane and which one's do not?

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