[Pete_Pittock]

where architects fear to tread from a liability standpoint. Where fairways cross. Numerous in GB&I, Royal Porthcawl maybe being the lost famous, they are only occasionally found in the US. Therefore, it was a bit of surprise that I drove to two from Portland, OR within the last ten days.
The only similarity between the two - both are at least 70 years old. They are both acreage challenged.

Salem GC (Salem) -#2 and #8 cross at right angles about 30 yards from the respective teeing grounds. Protection is provided by a thick hedge.
Salem GC opened in 1927
Kinzua Hills (Fossil) #4 and #5 cross at right angles. Both tees are set on hillsides. The crosspoint is about 120 yds from the tee on #4 (249-4)
and 100 yds from the 5th tee (385-4).

A short research shows two more courses in Oregon. Prineville G&CC has #7 (150-3) and #8 (-4) cross are right angles close to the 8th tee and midpoint on#7. PG&CC was designed by E Hogan & G Junor, opening in 1950. 30+ yrs since I was there.

Willow Creek in Heppner (, 1950s) is an executive 9 holer.

Where else in your neck of the woods?
 

[Mike Sweeney]

Where else in your neck of the woods?
 

Actually I would be more interested to know when was the first time a lawyer screwed up a golf course design by saying "No you can't do that."

If Melvin wants to take a shot at American lawyers for screwing up golf course design, well I can get behind Melvyn on that one!

[Garland Bayley]

Pete,

You can also easily drive to Orchard Hills in Washougal where #7 and #8 cross near #7 green and #8 tee. Protected by a hedge.

[Scott Sander]

Douglas Park, Indianapolis.  
It's a tiny piece of property framed by city streets. The crossfire fairways are in the northeast corner of the property.  Actually, it's more like a crossfire teebox/green.  You finish #2 heading northeast, then turn left (north) to walk to #3 tee and fire one southeast across the area fronting the green.

It's fairly terrifying, but it's far from the most dangerous thing about the course, unfortunately.  The neighborhood has severe challenges with crime and violence.


Edited to add:  Douglas was built in the 30's to accomodate "negro" golfers of the time.  It is absolutely nothing to look at these days, but there's a rich history there with some of the great UGA players - and on the clubhouse walls there are also photos from the 80's of a young Eldrick Woods wowing crowds.  Look elsewhere for intriguing architecture, but if you are a history buff the regulars have some stories to tell to those who will listen...

[Kyle Henderson]

Hole # 7 and 9 (Mountain nine) at Cinnabar Hills cross just off of the tee, much before their respective fairways.

I believe Mackenzie's Claremont CC features crossing fairways.

[Mark_Rowlinson]

I am just about to play at Crosland Heath, a MacKenzie course near Huddersfield, which has five pairs of crossing holes. The acreage is low and the crossing holes allowed Mac to make best use of a number of quarries to create very demanding all-or-nothing short holes. We are paying £15 each for the pleasure of playing it. Great value!

[David_Tepper]

Claremont CC (par-68) in Oakland, CA is built on a compact site (90 acres?) and has crossing holes (#4 & #7) on the front-9.

[Andrew Mitchell]

I am just about to play at Crosland Heath, a MacKenzie course near Huddersfield, which has five pairs of crossing holes. The acreage is low and the crossing holes allowed Mac to make best use of a number of quarries to create very demanding all-or-nothing short holes. We are paying £15 each for the pleasure of playing it. Great value!

I played Fixby near Huddersfield recently.  The 1st and the 9th are crossing holes which was surprising given the large acreage the site occupies.

[Pete_Pittock]

Small acreage plots seem to be the common denominator. The architects seemed to ensure safety by erecting a barrier or by providing visibility.
Clubs also have a protocol for right-of-way. Would you agree that crossing holes are less dangerous than shared greens?

Garland,
How could Orchard Hills slip my mind? Maybe alcohol.

[Norbert P]

Bundoran in Ireland has a fairway that crosses the entrance road. Roll up your windows and put on a helmet or you may get one in your ear.

 Cullen, Scotland is scary with it's crossovers.  Many of them.

[Brad Tufts]

Hanover CC...owned by Dartmouth College.

Design had it origins with Ralph Barton and others....current course is a near-total redesign in 2002 by Ron Pritchard.

Holes 6 and 18 still cross though.  6 is a slight dogleg left par four of about 370, and 18 is a par 5 of 480.  Both tees are separated from their respective fairways by the Vale of Tempe, a deep ravine that cuts the course in two.  Those on the 18th tee have the right of way.

[Jed Peters]

SFGC has a couple holes that "feel" as if you're teeing off from the fairway....

[James Boon]

There are probably too many to mention over here. Perhaps the 7th and 11th crossing on TOC beating Royal Porthcawl to the most famous 

Its not a famous example, but a course here in Derbyshire, set in true mountain goat country has several holes tacking backwards and forwards up a hillside, then later in the round you just head straight down hill on the 17th, crossing over the 2nd and 3rd tacking up the hill, as well as the 18th. The shared landing area for the drives on 2 and 17 are especially fun! Not sure if anyone can beat that for the most holes crossed on one hole? I've attached an annotated aerial of this at Chevin just north of Derby to show you.

Cheers,

James

[Niall C]

Bundoran in Ireland has a fairway that crosses the entrance road. Roll up your windows and put on a helmet or you may get one in your ear.

 Cullen, Scotland is scary with it's crossovers.  Many of them.

Slag

I had forgotten about this one. Nice course, isn't it a Harry Colt ?

Niall

[Phil McDade]

Bundoran in Ireland has a fairway that crosses the entrance road. Roll up your windows and put on a helmet or you may get one in your ear.

 Cullen, Scotland is scary with it's crossovers.  Many of them.

Slag

I had forgotten about this one. Nice course, isn't it a Harry Colt ?

Niall

Cullen is OTM; Stonehaven, Braid, also has a bunch of cross-overs.

[Tom_Doak]

I have seen about twenty golf courses that had crossovers ... most of them in the UK, but not all.

Greg Norman became fascinated with the idea of crossover holes a few years ago.  He wanted to build one at The National (Australia) but the club would not let him -- too many lawyers on the board.  But then he built three or four crossover tees at Doonbeg; some of those are really out there.

I've toyed with the idea on two or three potential projects, but haven't done it so far.  Those of you on my mailing list will know that we were planning a course in the Caribbean [on South Caicos Island] which did feature a crossover ... the second hole would be a par-4 toward a point of the island with the ocean to the right of the green, the par-3 third hole would play back off the point with the ocean to the right, and then the par-5 fourth would play across the second fairway with the water on the left (as it curled around the bay from #2 green).  That project (like many others) is on hold right now, but it's not dead, and I really hope we get to build it just so I can get to build that little stretch.

[Doug Wright]

The Mad Russian GC, Millikan Colorado has several. A home made design by the owner, who was a farmer not a lawyer.

[Matthew Rose]

Didn't the TPC of River Highlands have one at one point, when it was still the TPC of Connecticut?

[Philippe Binette]

Alwoodley 3rd tee with the 16th fairway...

the best one of all the 4th and 7th on the Eden course at St. Andrews.. two great par 3s

[Kyle Henderson]

Myfolks just got back from Scotland and brought mea scorecard from the Isle of Iona. For 1 pound, golfers can play a course that twice features crossing fairways  (four separate holes).

[Sean_A]

As a few have stated, there are too many in the UK to recall.  I barely pay attention to crossovers anymore.  In fact, I sometimes think they should be used more.

The best crossover I have seen, and it allows for a rugged piece of land to be used as golf holes, are O.L. and L.O at North Wales. Crossing par 3s which are really the inverse of each other with 16 being a blind shot into a bowl and 17 being a knob to knobber.  The configuration also ensures that one of the holes will be the dreaded down winder.  The course is worth seeing for these two holes alone though there are a handful of other goodies.  

Ciao

[Kyle Henderson]

I just remembered that the 5th and 8th on the St. Andrews Eden course (both par 3s) cross. The course was basically empty when I played it, so I didn't think much of it at the time.

[Sean_A]

For those interested in O.L and L.O.



Ciao

[Jim Sweeney]

Fort Mitchell CC in Ft. Mitchell, KY- 9 holer and oldest course in greater Cincinnati. Holes 1 and 9. Don't know anything about design history of the course. If I can find any info I will post it.

[Bill_McBride]

Alwoodley 3rd tee with the 16th fairway...

I think I remember that the first tee shot at Royal Porthcawl plays across the 18th fairway.

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