David,
Are you stating that it is your belief that Campbell planned the course before he staked it out on the ground? If so, when did he do that and when did he then stake it out?
No. I am not stating that.
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Kevin,
While not nearly rising to the level of the posts to which you vaguely refer, Tom MacWood's remark was impolite and uncalled for. Had Jeff Brauer and Phillip Young not already turned this his comment into its own special sub-topic, I might well have said something. Perhaps your comments about only selectively speaking up depending upon the identity of the wrongdoer should have been directed to them as well?
As for your post itself, while I disagree with the insulting nature of TomM's response, I might understand his frustration. I cannot speak for TomM, but as I see it (and as I tried to explain immediately above your post) conclusory opinions do little to advance the conversation, unless they are accompanied by a sound understanding and presentation of the source material backing up that opinion. That is why I keep asking Mike Cirba to provide me with facts that support his position.
Let me ask you the same thing. We have these articles which stated that
Willie Campbell laid out the course. So what is your
factual basis for doubting that Campbell laid out the course?
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Jeff Brauer
Whether or not your comments fail a "reasoned and measured" test, they contain assumptions and/or factual inaccuracies about Myopia's early course.
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Mike Cirba,
Please, please do not turn this into another crazy exploration of those 1906 and 1907 NGLA articles. Again and again you seem to forget that much of the information in those articles is from Macdonald's agreement drafted in 1904,
long before he found the NGLA property. We've been through them a half dozen times at least. Go back and read my responses to you on those numerous other threads.
Besides, you are misrepresenting
my understanding of what happened at NGLA and of the verb "to lay out," but this isn't the place to get into it as it relates to NGLA.
To "lay out" generally meant to place the course
on the ground. With the early simple courses, this often meant that the the course was staked out or otherwise
marked off on the ground, then maybe the greens were prepared and they golfed. Myopia was initially a very simple course requiring little else than marking off the course and preparing the greens and maybe the tees.
As time went on the process became more complicated and "to lay out" became more ambiguous. Sometimes "to lay out" referred to construction, and sometimes it referred to marking off the course
on the ground before construction. I think this confusion is understandable given the evolution of golf design from simple to more complicated projects. Laying out rarely meant the sole act of planning on paper.