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james soper

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« on: June 17, 2009, 11:22:50 AM »
good piece in sport illustrated's golf plus authored by past seminole president barry van gerbig on his memories of hogan at seminole. interesting that hogan slammed dick wilson as a golf architect because he wasn't found of wilson's fairway bunker on the second hole. that intrigues me because of hogan's fondness for the well bunkered pine tree golf club designed by wilson.
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1156522/index.htm
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: hogan and van gerbig at seminole
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2009, 11:33:56 AM »
Thanks for posting this. It's really good stuff. Hogan made the SI cover twice. I like this one:

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PCCraig

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Re: hogan and van gerbig at seminole
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2009, 11:55:08 AM »
Quote from: Steve_ Shaffer on June 17, 2009, 11:33:56 AM
Thanks for posting this. It's really good stuff. Hogan made the SI cover twice. I like this one:



What course is that?
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: hogan and van gerbig at seminole
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2009, 12:07:21 PM »
Pat,

That would be the 8th tee shot at ANGC.



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"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Kalen Braley

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Re: hogan and van gerbig at seminole
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2009, 12:07:24 PM »
Looks like the 8th at ANGC...

Edit: Steve you beat me by 3 seconds :)
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Mike Hendren

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Re: hogan and van gerbig at seminole
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2009, 12:13:33 PM »
I think the SI cover with Hogan at Augusta's 8th tee is insightful.  Note how thin and scruffy the turf appears, even on the tee.  The tournament date did not give the bermuda sufficient time to green up and thicken as hot nights are essential for that purpose.  I have read quotes from Nicklaus that the course was pretty ragged through the 1960's with terrible lies and mud on the ball being commonplace.

The conversion to a perennial ryegrass was therefore a necessary move, even if it ultimately resulted in the greening effect so often belittled on GCA.   

Mike
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: hogan and van gerbig at seminole
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2009, 11:17:56 PM »
Note the location of the Bunker as compared to today.
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BCrosby

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Re: hogan and van gerbig at seminole
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2009, 09:09:03 AM »
It was designed to be a c/l bunker. The picture foreshortens things. It was located in the landing area.
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Mike Hendren

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Re: hogan and van gerbig at seminole
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2009, 09:19:39 AM »
Quote from: Patrick_Mucci on June 17, 2009, 11:17:56 PM
Note the location of the Bunker as compared to today.

Patrick,

Is the bunker not better positioned today?  It forces the golfer to play left, virtually prohibiting him from reaching the green in two.  Otherwise, it must be flown or flirted with to leave the best opportunity to reach the green.

The photographs also shows that trees are not a new element at Augusta National Golf Club.

Mike
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: hogan and van gerbig at seminole
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2009, 05:51:38 PM »
Quote from: Michael_Hendren on June 18, 2009, 09:19:39 AM
Quote from: Patrick_Mucci on June 17, 2009, 11:17:56 PM
Note the location of the Bunker as compared to today.

Patrick,

Is the bunker not better positioned today? 

For whom, the 40 to 140 Pros and Ams that play it for 2 to 4 days, once a year, or, for the thousands of member and guest rounds played throughout the entire season ?

It forces the golfer to play left, virtually prohibiting him from reaching the green in two. 

Not really.  You  can reach the green in two from the middle of the fairway.

Otherwise, it must be flown or flirted with to leave the best opportunity to reach the green.

I'd agree with that.

However, in the photo, the golfer had to make one of four choices, left, long, short or right.

We shouldn't view architecture solely in the context of the PGA Tour Pro's game.
The photographs also shows that trees are not a new element at Augusta National Golf Club.

Mike
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Peter Pallotta

Re: hogan and van gerbig at seminole
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2009, 08:11:17 AM »
James - thanks for posting that.  It was a very good read, from a unique perspective.

The older I get, the fonder I grow of Ben Hogan.  What he said to the young and adoring George Knudson was striking:

"You play tournament golf and so do I. Never call anyone you're trying to beat mister."

Patrick M - If you ever feel like sharing some stories, I'd love to hear about your experiences with and memories of some of the old-timers at Seminole.

Peter
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