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Kyle Christensen

Detroit area clubs info
« on: April 13, 2009, 03:48:37 PM »
My brother and I have been talking about what are some of the best area clubs in Detroit. He is going to be looking into clubs to join soon and he was curious what GCA had to say about the topic. He isn't looking at spending  a fortune so you can cross off Oakland hills from the discussion. He is interested in Detroit golf club, Franklin Hills, and CC of Detroit as of right now but hasn't put to much thought into it yet. If you guys have opinions on the matter that would be excellent. Also if you have pics of the area clubs to help out that would be excellent.

Thanks for the help and opinions. Don't hold back on comments.


Kyle

David Stamm

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2009, 04:11:38 PM »
My brother and I have been talking about what are some of the best area clubs in Detroit. He is going to be looking into clubs to join soon and he was curious what GCA had to say about the topic. He isn't looking at spending  a fortune so you can cross off Oakland hills from the discussion. He is interested in Detroit golf club, Franklin Hills, and CC of Detroit as of right now but hasn't put to much thought into it yet. If you guys have opinions on the matter that would be excellent. Also if you have pics of the area clubs to help out that would be excellent.

Thanks for the help and opinions. Don't hold back on comments.


Kyle


Kyle, I have not been there, but from my research and looking at aerials in the past, CC of Detroit looks to be the best of the bunch, IMHO. Solid looking Alison course. Detroit Golf Club looks like it has had alot of tinkering done to it, but I haven't been there, so I may be wrong. Franklin Hills also looks pretty solid, but I would also check out Indianwood and Red Run.
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PThomas

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2009, 04:16:22 PM »
indianwood worth a look, i woudl think...2 courses there!   the old has look and feel of a links....reminded me of Shinnecock

Franklin Hills is also worth looking into
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Jon Heise

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2009, 04:17:08 PM »
All those you mentioned are good 'ol classics in the area.  He may want to add Grosse Ile G&CC (~10 miles south of the city) as a good course and relatively good deal.  Its a Ross as well with excellent routing and some wicked greens.  Dearborn CC and Western G&CC are Ross too and I'd think fairly affordable.

I thought Oakhurst in Clarkston was a so-so course, though it had some wonderful people there and great amenities.  

I can only comment on these as Ive played them each, even though I dont have specific info about the membership details- only what I saw of the course.

There's a good bunch of great courses that Im sure more peeps here will suggest.  Some fantastic deals too...
I still like Greywalls better.

Brian Cenci

Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2009, 04:29:13 PM »
My brother and I have been talking about what are some of the best area clubs in Detroit. He is going to be looking into clubs to join soon and he was curious what GCA had to say about the topic. He isn't looking at spending  a fortune so you can cross off Oakland hills from the discussion. He is interested in Detroit golf club, Franklin Hills, and CC of Detroit as of right now but hasn't put to much thought into it yet. If you guys have opinions on the matter that would be excellent. Also if you have pics of the area clubs to help out that would be excellent.

Thanks for the help and opinions. Don't hold back on comments.


Kyle

Kyle,
     As far as private clubs in the Detroit area I've played Oakland Hills, Franklin Hills, Detroit Golf Club, Indianwood (old) and Lochmoor Club.  Personally my favorite is Franklin Hills (even over Oakland).  Detroit GC isn't much and as far as the course goes I would not recommend.  I have not played CC of Detroit but heard it is really solid.    Indianwood is good and honestly Lochmoor Club is a nice course and club (can't believe they fit 18 holes into the land they are in).  I don't know what costs are in your budget but I heard a few months ago that Oakland significantly reduced their costs and initiation fee.

-Brian

Dick Kirkpatrick

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2009, 05:06:06 PM »
Brian:

Dearborn CC was a Ross course until 1965 when C.E."Robbie" Robinson was commissioned to completely rebuild it.
This rebuild was necessiated because of the tiny tees and greens, some of the greens were only about 2000 square feet!
The course was re-routed in several areas including two new par 3 holes and a new par 5.
I was the contractor for the work which took over two years as the format was to keep 18 holes in play and at the same time construct new holes and grow them in.
The 3 ponds on the property were excavated to obtain fill material for the construction of the new greens, tees and fairway mounds/bunkers.

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2009, 06:22:43 PM »
My brother and I have been talking about what are some of the best area clubs in Detroit. He is going to be looking into clubs to join soon and he was curious what GCA had to say about the topic. He isn't looking at spending  a fortune so you can cross off Oakland hills from the discussion. He is interested in Detroit golf club, Franklin Hills, and CC of Detroit as of right now but hasn't put to much thought into it yet. If you guys have opinions on the matter that would be excellent. Also if you have pics of the area clubs to help out that would be excellent.

Thanks for the help and opinions. Don't hold back on comments.


Kyle

Kyle

Where is your bro looking to live?

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Kyle Christensen

Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2009, 06:45:53 PM »
He isn't sure where he is going to live. He is in grad school at Wayne state and will be working downtown Detroit come January. As of right now he is pretty open to living anywhere around the city, but not to far outside of it. probably within 20 miles of downtown. Thanks, and if anyone has pictures of the courses that would be very helpful.

mark chalfant

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2009, 06:51:08 PM »
Plum Hollow
Orchard Lake
Franklin  Hills

Birmingham

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2009, 07:01:19 PM »
Kyle,

I grew up in Windsor, playing golf at Essex G&CC (Ross, 1929), on the Canadian side of the river.

Somewhat comparable (and, arguably, better than) Detroit GC, Essex is a great option for Americans... particularly when the US dollar is more valuable than the loonie (which is almost always the case). Essex is an excellent course: Almost entirely intact, vintage Ross.

On the American side, don't overlook Plum Hollow: A really, really good Chas. Alison layout just off 8 mile. Plum Hollow's not in a great area of the city; but, again, it's a fine course. I bet there are GREAT membership DEALS available at Plum Hollow currently. With some thoughtful, restorative-based work, golfers would be talking about Plum Hollow in the same breath as Franklin Hills (which is really good as well), too.

I haven't been to CC Detroit in many years, but I recall being totally underwhelmed by this course. The clubhouse is legendary, but the golf course is somewhat forgettable... too many goofy trees, relatively uninteresing topo., and glaringly awkward reno. work. 
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Niall Hay

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2009, 07:31:44 PM »
Private Top 10 (in order):

Oakland Hills (South)- hard but worth the hype
Orchard Lake CC (Colt/Allison) - always great condition (looks like the pictures of Kirtland on this site)
Indianwood (Old) - great course, middle of nowhere. Very good overall.
Franklin Hills - Ross lovers love this course, say its the best Ross in city
Meadowbrook CC - very nice, playable
TPC - very good for a TPC, can be very challenging if wind is up and greens are rolling
CC of Detroit - Nice Colt/Allison, very flat, new bunkers, greens health has been as issue
Red Run - very good course, 15-16 good holes
Plum Hollow - good golf course, hosted PGA Championship
Detroit Golf Club - 2 Ross courses - very nice club, some great holes between the 2 layouts

Public:
Shepard's Hollow (2 and 3rd nines) - the best pay for play in area by far
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Sean_A

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2009, 07:45:33 PM »
Kyle

I would have suggested bailing from the Detroit area altogether and moving to Ann Arbor.  In which case Barton Hills is a good course, but probably prohibitively expensive.  There is also little known Washtenaw Country Club heading near Ypsi.  Its possible to stop on the way home from work for golf.  Otherwise, if your bro is looking to be a suburban rat then here are some choices.  

Wyandotte is a cool city and a short drive in Detroit.  Its Downriver so prices for everything will be cheaper.  Golf options are

Grosse Ile - I bet good deals are going on right now.
West Shore is the nearest club on Grosse Ile to the bridge near Wyandotte.  Its not in the class of Grosse Ile, but there is some good stuff there and I bet the price is right.

Royal Oak/Birmingham is a decent area to live.  There is a lot going on and it isn't a long shot into the city.  Prices up this way are higher than Downriver, but I am sure the area is devasted by the slump in the car industry.

Detroit GC has to be the pick of the bunch especially as its right on the way from downtown to stop in for golf, but it will cost significantly higher than a place like Grosse Ile and I don't think the golf is as good.

Plymouth is a cool little city between Ann Arbor and Detroit. It is easy to play either Franklin Hills or Plum Hollow on the way home from work.  

Unfortunately, Indianwood is a bit out there and isn't convenient from work, but its doable from Oak Park/Birmingham area for weekend golf no problem.

The idea of going to Canada to play golf as a member sounds appealing, but the grind of customs would put me off.  One can get stuck there for quite some time. 

Ciao
 
    
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Tony Petersen

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2009, 07:57:58 PM »
With the media price of a home in Detroit proper hovering around 17K, I would imagine that would free up some funds for your brother to "splurge" a little on some quality private golf, no? ;)

The only Detroit course I've played is Indianwood, both courses many times.... FUN club, just watch your handicap if you get into a net game 'cause more likely than not the guy you're playing has put a lot of thought into his index!  ;)
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Chuck Brown

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2009, 08:13:57 PM »
The Detroit golf club market has taken a huge hit.  There are some unbeleivable bargains now, not surprisingly.

Still, some of the clubs you are talking about are not realistic targets for any casual new resident.  

Franklin Hills is a very small-membership, Jewish club.  There is very little guest play.  An invitation to FHCC is a rare pleasure indeed.  The food and service are extraordinary.  Membership is very pricey, and very much by invitation only.  Don't hold your breath.  FHCC is nearly recession-proof.

CC of Detroit is the Grosse Pointe Farms equivalent of Franklin Hills.  While FHCC is a remarkable Ross jewell, CCD is a remarakble H.S. Colt jewel.  In the past, new members at CCD had to wait 5 years in many cases before they were granted full golf priveleges.  Again, a guest invitation is rare.  A membership invitation is extraordinarily rare.

There are memberships available at OHCC, I think, but they are not begging for new members.  Although they slashed the $100k+ downstroke by tens of thousands recently.


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There are some really nice places to play -- great old-line golf clubs with good memberships that have really taken a hit with the automotive and especially the auto-supplier downturn.  Real bargains right now, and clubs that should be looked into by anyone seriously interested in quality golf clubs:

Detroit Golf Club (36 holes, remarkable high-quality playing membership.  North Course is a fine, if grossly altered, Donald Ross layout.  South course is a shortish, Par-68 unaltered Ross gem.)

Western Golf & CC (Another of the many Ross designs in the area.  A good course and a very friendly memebership; almost as convenient to downtown Detroit as DGC.)

Plum Hollow (A very tasty Alison design, hosted several PGA events in the 1950's.  Used to be a huge hangout for Detroit pro athletes.  Similar to Western.)

Essex Golf & CC  (In Ontario, across the Detroit River.  Wonderful Canadian-American mixed membership.  Hosted one of the best-ever Canadian Opens in 1976, when Jerry Pate dueled with Jack Nicklaus to win.)

Dearborn CC (Tucked into an incredibly convenient corner of a nice part of Dearborn - close to Detroit and the airport.  Nice parkland course; Donald Ross was the putative architect, and while nice, there isn't a lot of classic Ross here.)

Red Run Golf Club (In Royal Oak, which is one of the more fun Detroit suburbs.  Another very nice parkland layout, site of the 1958 Western Open.)

Meadowbrook CC (In the western suburb of Northville, with very nice surroundings.  The club's website says that Class A memberships are still going for $56,000.  I didn't expect that in these times, but that is what memberships at all of these clubs would normally rate in good economic times.)

Washtenaw Country Club (In the Ann Arbor-Ypsilanti area; a lot of transplants to southeast Michigan like that area.)

Clubs that I think are probably out of reach of all but those with extraordinary incomes:

Birmingham CC  (I think BCC's superintendent is a GCA member (!?), but in any case, this is an exceedingly nice club in what might be the finest real estate location in town.  BCC's been badly hurt in the recession, and they want new members, but the price of Class A membership is still out of reach for all but a very few.  A shortish golf course with varying connections/claims to W. Reid and/or Ross heritage.)

Orchard Lake CC  (See Birmingham CC.  Another superb true country club with sailing, competitive swimming, etc.  A very good golf course with notoriously fast greens and superb conditioning on an architecurally unremarkable layout.  The superintendent years ago was a GCSAA President.)

Bloomfield Hills CC (See, Birmingham and Orchard Lake, only moreso.  Another shortish, nicely finished golf course that traces its original nine holes to Tom Bendelow, the current layout to H.S. Colt, with revisions claimed to Ross, R.T. Jones and Art Hills.  I expect that neither Birmingham, OLCC, BHCC, nor perhaps even Meadowbrook are what you have in mind.  BHCC is, along with CCD, FHCC, OLCC and OHCC, the uber-elite of Detroit Golf Clubs.)

Again, the great bargains in Detroit clubs (and they really are amazing bargains right now) are the clubs that were the stomping grounds for all of the sales reps for the thousands of Michigan auto suppliers -- In order of general golf course quality, clubhouse amenities and club memebership, I'd rate them:

Detroit Golf Club
Plum Hollow Golf Club
Essex Golf & Country Club (Ontario, Canada)
Dearborn CC
Red Run Golf Club
Western Golf & Country Club
Washtenaw CC

There are others -- Forest Lake CC and Pine Lake CC in the northwest suburbs, Lochmoor in the Grosse Pointes, and the superb Indianwood (host to several U.S. Womens Opens) in the far northern suburbs.  Except for the remarkable Indianwood, these clubs don't compare, in terms of the course quality or the exceptional value now offered by the old, Detroit area golf clubs.  They are more for families in those areas wanting traditional full range country clubs.

Again, somebody who has Franklin Hills and the Country Club of Detroit on a short list of clubs to join hasn't thought much about it.  It is a little like moving to Los Angeles and saying that you don't think you have the means for Riviera, but you have Bel Air and LACC on a short list of clubs you might like to join.  Or like moving to Westchester County New York and saying that while Winged Foot might be out of your reach, you are thinking about joining Old Oaks, or Quaker Ridge.  Not.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2009, 08:18:41 PM by Chuck Brown »

Niall Hay

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2009, 08:21:02 PM »
With the media price of a home in Detroit proper hovering around 17K, I would imagine that would free up some funds for your brother to "splurge" a little on some quality private golf, no? ;)


Certainly the Detroit area has been hit hard and continues to be hurting, but the areas where most of the good clubs/courses are are still desirable places to live and memberships are still a premium. Bloomfield Hills, Franklin Hills, Oakland Hills Orchard Lake will continue to be attractive memberships for the foreseeable future.

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2009, 08:25:43 PM »
The Detroit golf club market has taken a huge hit.  There are some unbeleivable bargains now, not surprisingly.

Still, some of the clubs you are talking about are not realistic targets for any casual new resident.  

Franklin Hills is a very small-membership, Jewish club.  There is very little guest play.  An invitation to FHCC is a rare pleasure indeed.  The food and service are extraordinary.  Membership is very pricey, and very much by invitation only.  Don't hold your breath.  FHCC is nearly recession-proof.

CC of Detroit is the Grosse Pointe Farms equivalent of Franklin Hills.  While FHCC is a remarkable Ross jewell, CCD is a remarakble H.S. Colt jewel.  In the past, new members at CCD had to wait 5 years in many cases before they were granted full golf priveleges.  Again, a guest invitation is rare.  A membership invitation is extraordinarily rare.

There are memberships available at OHCC, I think, but they are not begging for new members.  Although they slashed the $100k+ downstroke by tens of thousands recently.


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There are some really nice places to play -- great old-line golf clubs with good memberships that have really taken a hit with the automotive and especially the auto-supplier downturn.  Real bargains right now, and clubs that should be looked into by anyone seriously interested in quality golf clubs:

Detroit Golf Club (36 holes, remarkable high-quality playing membership.  North Course is a fine, if grossly altered, Donald Ross layout.  South course is a shortish, Par-68 unaltered Ross gem.)

Western Golf & CC (Another of the many Ross designs in the area.  A good course and a very friendly memebership; almost as convenient to downtown Detroit as DGC.)

Plum Hollow (A very tasty Alison design, hosted several PGA events in the 1950's.  Used to be a huge hangout for Detroit pro athletes.  Similar to Western.)

Essex Golf & CC  (In Ontario, across the Detroit River.  Wonderful Canadian-American mixed membership.  Hosted one of the best-ever Canadian Opens in 1976, when Jerry Pate dueled with Jack Nicklaus to win.)

Dearborn CC (Tucked into an incredibly convenient corner of a nice part of Dearborn - close to Detroit and the airport.  Nice parkland course; Donald Ross was the putative architect, and while nice, there isn't a lot of classic Ross here.)

Red Run Golf Club (In Royal Oak, which is one of the more fun Detroit suburbs.  Another very nice parkland layout, site of the 1958 Western Open.)

Meadowbrook CC (In the western suburb of Northville, with very nice surroundings.  The club's website says that Class A memberships are still going for $56,000.  I didn't expect that in these times, but that is what memberships at all of these clubs would normally rate in good economic times.)

Washtenaw Country Club (In the Ann Arbor-Ypsilanti area; a lot of transplants to southeast Michigan like that area.)

Clubs that I think are probably out of reach of all but those with extraordinary incomes:

Birmingham CC  (I think BCC's superintendent is a GCA member (!?), but in any case, this is an exceedingly nice club in what might be the finest real estate location in town.  BCC's been badly hurt in the recession, and they want new members, but the price of Class A membership is still out of reach for all but a very few.  A shortish golf course with varying connections/claims to W. Reid and/or Ross heritage.)

Orchard Lake CC  (See Birmingham CC.  Another superb true country club with sailing, competitive swimming, etc.  A very good golf course with notoriously fast greens and superb conditioning on an architecurally unremarkable layout.  The superintendent years ago was a GCSAA President.)

Bloomfield Hills CC (See, Birmingham and Orchard Lake, only moreso.  Another shortish, nicely finished golf course that traces its original nine holes to Tom Bendelow, the current layout to H.S. Colt, with revisions claimed to Ross, R.T. Jones and Art Hills.  I expect that neither Birmingham, OLCC, BHCC, nor perhaps even Meadowbrook are what you have in mind.  BHCC is, along with CCD, FHCC, OLCC and OHCC, the uber-elite of Detroit Golf Clubs.)

Again, the great bargains in Detroit clubs (and they really are amazing bargains right now) are the clubs that were the stomping grounds for all of the sales reps for the thousands of Michigan auto suppliers -- In order of general golf course quality, clubhouse amenities and club memebership, I'd rate them:

Detroit Golf Club
Plum Hollow Golf Club
Essex Golf & Country Club (Ontario, Canada)
Dearborn CC
Red Run Golf Club
Western Golf & Country Club
Washtenaw CC

There are others -- Forest Lake CC and Pine Lake CC in the northwest suburbs, Lochmoor in the Grosse Pointes, and the superb Indianwood (host to several U.S. Womens Opens) in the far northern suburbs.  Except for the remarkable Indianwood, these clubs don't compare, in terms of the course quality or the exceptional value now offered by the old, Detroit area golf clubs.  They are more for families in those areas wanting traditional full range country clubs.

Again, somebody who has Franklin Hills and the Country Club of Detroit on a short list of clubs to join hasn't thought much about it.  It is a little like moving to Los Angeles and saying that you don't think you have the means for Riviera, but you have Bel Air and LACC on a short list of clubs you might like to join.  Or like moving to Westchester County New York and saying that while Winged Foot might be out of your reach, you are thinking about joining Old Oaks, or Quaker Ridge.  Not.

Great post Chuck, 100% accurate and I couldn't agree more!  Although Franklin Hills is very well critically received (particularly in the forum) and Oakland is Oakland, Orchard Lake os often overlooked in the scheme of great clubs in the Detroit area and is a superior Colt/Allison course to CCD in GP.

Kyle Christensen

Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2009, 08:29:06 PM »
Thanks guys for the help so far. Seems like everyone enjoys Plum Hollow so far. Anyone have any pictures of the Club? the website doesn't show to much. keep the comments coming if you have any, this thread will be very beneficial for my brother.

George Freeman

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2009, 09:23:36 PM »
I would ecco a lot of what Chuck said in his post:

Franklin Hills is REALLY good, my favorite course in metro detroit, although I haven't played Oakland Hills.  But as Chuck said, I wouldn't imagine they are hurting for members and is presumably by invitation only...

Indianwood seems like an excellent club.  The Old course is a fantastic layout that works the topography wonderfully.  I haven't played the new course but from what I hear it is the exact opposite of Old course, which would probably be nice being a member for some variety.  The 18th green and clubhouse setting is one of the coolest I have seen.  The only problem here is that the club is quite a ways north of the city.

Orchard Lake CC is another really good track that seems to fly totally under the radar.  Once again, very old school feeling course that doesn't seem to have been tinkered with much and also works the great terrain very well.  However, I also doubt this club is hurting for memberships.

Essex CC is a really neat track over in Windsor, but I honestly can't imagine living in metro detroit (especially NW such as Royal Oak or Birmingham) and being a member here...the drive coupled with traffic and waiting to get accross the bridge or through the tunnel would be aweful.

Haven't played Plum Hollow, but have heard it is really good; sounds like a good option for your brother.

Western is fun little Ross course in Redford that I really enjoyed; another good option for your brother.

Detroit Golf Club seems like another good fit.  Two courses, and like others have said, a pretty good if heavily altered North course, and a charming/quirky par 68 south course, both Ross'.  Probably the best players of all memberships in the Detroit area.

Grosse Ille is another fun track, but again would be very difficult to get to if you lived in the NW suburbs.
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Niall Hay

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2009, 10:48:12 PM »
Orchard Lake CC  -  "an architecurally unremarkable layout."  - can you explain further or in more detail?

Chuck Brown

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2009, 12:09:32 AM »
Orchard Lake CC  -  "an architecurally unremarkable layout."  - can you explain further or in more detail?
Sure.  First, let's stipulate that Orchard Lake is a great place to play golf, and one of the very small handful of superior country clubs in the region.  It has an extraordinarily fine membership; as far as I know, all three of Detroit's ANGC members were also members at OLCC.

And, as I said, OLCC has a history of being maybe the best-conditioned course in the district.  Greens that, for speed and surface quality, were second to none including the great Oakland Hills.

That said, I do think OLCC is architecturally unremarkable.  Not bad, neccessarily.  But unremarkable.  Is there a single remarkable hole from a design standpoint?  Ceratinly not one of the three holes in the valley next to the clubhouse, 1, 9 and 18.  The collection of Par 3's are not particularly special.  Not bad, but nothing special.  I think 10 and 11 are good golf holes, but nothing like the interest of 10 and 11 at OHCC.  Even the Par 5's at OLCC are somewhat short, and not particularly interesting.

But now you've got me interested -- am I missing something of great interest at Orchard Lake?  I did work there one summer, cutting greens and placing cups.  I know something about the course's construction, the drainage issues on 18, 1 and 9, and about the greens surfaces.
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Sean_A

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2009, 03:04:59 AM »
There are so many architecturally middling clubs around Detroit which are nice, but in no way distinguished.  Among those, and some are very pricey considering the quality of the golf, I would include:

Orchard Lake
Bloomfield Hills
Birmingham
CC of Detroit (like all the east side clubs is way over-rated)


Clubs like Red Run, Western and Dearborn are probably in the same class architecturally as above, but cheaper as the clubs aren't as nice.  Still, I don't think any are that good. 


I would agree with Chuck, Franklin Hills would take some luck to get in as I would be surprised if they are actively seeking new members in any sort of recruitment way.  Heck, loads of people around Detroit who play golf never heard of FH - its a low key place and they like it that way.  That said, I would be surprised if Plum Hollow isn't doable with the right approach.  For the immediate clubs around Detroit which are doable Detroit GC and Plum Hollow are the best bets. 

If I were moving back to Detroit now (depending on where) I would be looking to join

Grosse Ile
Indianwood
Detroit GC

...but, I can't see ever wanting to live around Detroit without a very special reason when Ann Arbor is just down the road. 

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Andy Silis

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2009, 08:08:02 AM »
Far and away the best bang for the buck is Red Run.

Very solid Travis layout that is always in impeccable condition. Fast greens and a layout that is always enjoyable and can be very challenging from the back tees. You would never tire of playing there.

Head pro Wally Sierakowski is one of THE BEST pros in all of Michigan. Truly a great guy who adds to the enjoyment and benefits of membership there!

Currently the membership programs there are so attractive that I would highly reccomend that you check it out.

Chuck Brown

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2009, 10:30:47 AM »
Far and away the best bang for the buck is Red Run.

Very solid Travis layout that is always in impeccable condition. Fast greens and a layout that is always enjoyable and can be very challenging from the back tees. You would never tire of playing there.

Head pro Wally Sierakowski is one of THE BEST pros in all of Michigan. Truly a great guy who adds to the enjoyment and benefits of membership there!

Currently the membership programs there are so attractive that I would highly reccomend that you check it out.

Red Run's a very lovely, mature golf course that is extremely enjoyable to play.  As I mentioned, it is a course worthy of having hosted the Western Open at a time when the Western was almost inarguably golf's fifth major.  In recent history, Red Run has hosted a bunch of USGA qualifiers and a lot of GAM events.  Legend has it that when D.A. Weibring, a Red Run Assistant, wanted to go on the PGA Tour, they solicited funds in the Red Run grill room and in one afternoon, D.A. had his endowment for a season.  (After that, D.A. did pretty well on his own.)  My dad was a Red Run member in the 50's and 60's, when I was too young to play, but I have very fond memories of that place.

Red Run absolutely needs to be mentioned in the same breath as DGC, Plum Hollow, Dearborn and Western as clubs that are ridiculously good golf values for someone seriously interested in golf club memeberships.  If any of those clubs were in Chicago, New York or Philadelphia, I'd expect that membership costs would be about 300% higher.

Niall Hay

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2009, 11:16:59 AM »

Very solid Travis layout that is always in impeccable condition. Fast greens and a layout that is always enjoyable and can be very challenging from the back tees. You would never tire of playing there.


Isn't Red Run a Willie Park Jr. design? My memory of the 1st tee is a plaque with his name on it. As for the layout, the course is a lot of fun to play, minus holes 1-2.

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Re: Detroit area clubs info
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2009, 11:34:20 AM »
There are so many architecturally middling clubs around Detroit which are nice, but in no way distinguished.  Among those, and some are very pricey considering the quality of the golf, I would include:

Orchard Lake
Bloomfield Hills
Birmingham
CC of Detroit (like all the east side clubs is way over-rated) - AGREED

Orchard Lake is in a different class as the layouts of BHCC or BCC. CCD is a very nice course, with a very nice club but built (very well) on a totally flat piece of land and with what they had to work with Colt/Allison did a great job (again with what they had to work with). A for OLCC, the layout is very strong with much better land and elevation changes to work with. 1 is a tough opener (probably would be easier if later in round) and 9 and 18 are ok (good birdie opportunities). The par 3's are good on front (7 in particular, while 3 is ok with tough green) on the back 13 is solid and 16 is a wonderful one-shotter. I would agree the par 5's are ok as a whole. I would challenge anyone to find a better 3 hole stretch (in the spirit of the recent LINKS feature) than 15, 16, 17 in the Detroit Metro area. 15 is an awesome 450 yard par 4 (best hole on course with challenging green), 16 is an excellent mid length par 3 and 17 is a birdie opportunity with a very exposed elevated green (short but deadly). Having had the pleasure to play all the area courses in Detroit on several occasions OLCC is as much fun to play as any, conditions and setting second to none and the club is top notch. OHCC, FHCC, Indianwood are also very special places. BHCC is a great club with an ok course.

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