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Alister Matheson

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2009, 01:03:28 PM »
Fraserburgh is a fantastic links course and seems to be of most peoples radar when they visit the North East !
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Deucie Bies

Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That aren't well known
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2009, 02:03:53 PM »
Sean,

I would actually vote for the other University of Michigan course, that being the alumni course Radrick Farms, over the course you mentioned.  As I am sure you know, Radrick was one of Pete Dye's first efforts and a joy to play day in and day out.  I think the par 5s are too short nowadays, but I find the greens on the course tough to read.

In Jackson, Michigan, I always enjoyed Cascades.


Deucie

Deucie

Yes, Radrick seems to be more in favour these days, but I can't understand why.  The greens alone would make choose Blue over Radrick.  I think the Blue is a far more clever course.  Plus, I can't identify one hole on Radrick that is really outstanding.  Give it time, popular opinion will swing back to Blue if folks can get past the length issue.  Which btw, I am amazed that you think the 11th is too short.  I have never been pin high there.  As for #s 1, 3 and 18, call em 4s if it makes any difference. 

Ciao

Sean,

I was actually referring to the par 5s at Radrick as being short.  #1 is reachable with an iron, #5 is fairway wood, iron, #12 is driver, mid iron, and #16 is relatively short as well.  As for U of M, I seem to remember #1 being short, #3 is weird as I remember many peopole preferring to play it down #4, #11 is long.  I thought 18 was a par 4, but I haven't played there in years?

Deucie

Dan Kelly

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That aren't well known
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2009, 03:54:37 PM »
Brainerd, MN - The Classic

Some details of this design will make GCA purists cringe - eye candy bunkers, cart paths that have too much impact on play and the use of a trees as significant components in the design of certain holes.

Nonetheless, this design by the superintendant (with consultation from John Harris) features some of the most creative and interesting holes I have played anywhere.  Furthermore, five par fives and five terrific par threes provide ample variety on a difficult golf course in an incredibly beautiful setting.


Jason --

I guess I need to get back up there. I have played the Classic only once -- and even though I'm not that much of a purist, really, I remember very well the vices you mention in your lede ... but not the virtues in paragraph 2 ... other than the beauty, and one memorably good par-3, late in the round.

When I got to the turn, I thought: I had no business hitting driver anywhere on the front 9. Should have left it in the car. And as you know, I'm a reasonably accurate driver. It was too tight; there was too much unrecoverable-from trouble awaiting any miss. It reminded me of playing the pre-pruned Minikahda when I was back in high school, and wasn't nearly so straight as I am now.

Minneapolis, MN - Oak Ridge

I have obvious home course bias (see my "My Home Course") but most people who have played the course place it among the top courses in the twin cities.  The course is not as well known as others because 1) it does not have a name architect; 2) it is almost impossible to access without a member and 3) it is a traditionally Jewish club that limits exposure somewhat.

Perhaps I have a home-course bias, too -- with the 14th tee being about a Bubba Watson drive from my front yard ... but it's a wonderful every-day golf course, and always a treat to play ... for players of every ability.

(As you know, I have watched a LOT of girls' high-school matches at Oak Ridge. The girls all love it, too. The opposing teams' parents commonly rave about the course and say that they had no idea. And they never get to see the back 9, which is even better than the front!)

Dan
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J_McKenzie

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2009, 04:29:08 PM »
I would recommend the following three courses that don't seem to be all that well known or at least not discussed much outside of the surrounding area.  These are all projects completed by our design company, so I am biased- two are original designs and one is a renovation:

Valdosta, Ga.- Kinderlou Forest Golf Club.  Even though it is a current site for a Nationwide Tour event and has hosted several past state amateur events, this course seems to still fly under the radar.  Maybe nobody gets to Valdosta very often.

Greenwood, SC.- The Patriot.  A private club where access could probably be gained with a phone call from your local club professional.  Located along Lake Greenwood, this course maximizes the land on which it was built, especially considering the somewhat limited size of the property and lack of lake frontage.   

Athens, Ga.- University of Georgia Golf Course.  Public access course that doesn't get as much play as you would think, given the location.  Renovated a couple of years ago, UGA may be in the best condition it has ever been in.  Reasonably priced as well.  (I also like the golf course at Furman University, near Greenville, SC. for the same reason.)



JohnV

Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That aren't well known
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2009, 05:09:41 PM »

Brookside Country Club in Stockton CA. 



The course has been used as a site for Canadian Tour events in the past ... be advised, it can get WINDY in the afternoon, depending on the time of the year ...

I'm not sure there is a specific time of the year.  I think it can get pretty windy any day.  It certainly did last Saturday.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2009, 05:50:33 PM »
Webhannet in Kennebunk Beach, Maine, along with Putterham in Brookline, Mass.

Winston Lakes in Winston-Salem, N.C.



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Carl Johnson

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2009, 06:59:36 PM »
Two public courses in the Charlotte area that are worth a play are Rocky River Golf Club in Concord (just north of the Charlotte), Dan Maples, and Charlotte Golf Links in southeast Charlotte, Tom Doak.  Although I've played neither recently, and can't vouch for the conditioning these days, they're well designed courses.

The Mount Mitchell Golf Club near Burnsville, NC is a well-maintained, scenic public course that is the only U.S. course designed by Frederic W. Hawtree of the English firm established in 1918 now called Hawtree Limited, which claims to be "the world's longest continuous golf architectural practice."  (Just thought to throw that in about the architect since this an architecture discussion group.)  I'd call it a near-perfect holiday or family course.  Although located in the heart of the mountains, the course itself sits in a river bottom flood plain and is almost entirely flat.  Avoid Saturdays when rounds can exceed five hours, easily.  Downsides: carts on paths at all times and no trolleys allowed; walk and carry only Mon. - Thurs and maybe pm on the weekends.  The course is a little over two hours northwest of Charlotte and one hour northeast of Asheville.
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Mark Kinney

Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2009, 07:09:17 PM »
For the CA Central Coast, I have to give a big second to Hunter Ranch GC in Paso Robles.  Used to play their weekly while in college.  It's a good test for all abilities, and the greens are usually excellent.  The best things, it's walkable (hilly, but ok if you're fit) and NO houses!!!

Also, for the area I recommed La Purisima down in Lompoc.  A little tougher the HRGC, run by the same people.  Just play early, because it can be WINDY in the afternoons.

Two courses in the area that are pretty solid, but are parts of housing developments (which is always a negative in my book) are Monarch Dunes and Cypress Ridge, both in Arroyo Grande. 

J_ Crisham

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2009, 07:31:56 PM »
Outside of Chicago , 2 privates that allow outside play by making a polite phone call and playing at a reasonable time are two hidden gems. The first is Elgin CC .The second is Kishwaukee CC in DeKalb. The guest fees are both about $70 and the greens are immaculate. Nice routings as well. Kish has a couple of quirky par 5's but all in all a very nice track. Elgin CC is a club I would join if closer geographically. For those in Chicago that don't mind the drive it is well worth it to play either of these clubs. Not sure that I've ever seen these clubs mentioned on GCA.    Enjoy,   Jack

Jason Topp

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That aren't well known
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2009, 08:26:12 PM »
Brainerd, MN - The Classic

Some details of this design will make GCA purists cringe - eye candy bunkers, cart paths that have too much impact on play and the use of a trees as significant components in the design of certain holes.

Nonetheless, this design by the superintendant (with consultation from John Harris) features some of the most creative and interesting holes I have played anywhere.  Furthermore, five par fives and five terrific par threes provide ample variety on a difficult golf course in an incredibly beautiful setting.


Jason --

I guess I need to get back up there. I have played the Classic only once -- and even though I'm not that much of a purist, really, I remember very well the vices you mention in your lede ... but not the virtues in paragraph 2 ... other than the beauty, and one memorably good par-3, late in the round.

When I got to the turn, I thought: I had no business hitting driver anywhere on the front 9. Should have left it in the car. And as you know, I'm a reasonably accurate driver. It was too tight; there was too much unrecoverable-from trouble awaiting any miss. It reminded me of playing the pre-pruned Minikahda when I was back in high school, and wasn't nearly so straight as I am now.


Dan - you need to go back.  You must have had a bad day when there.  The Classic is tight in spots but not ridiculously so.  I would guess the playing corridors are typically 60 yards wide and underbrush has been removed over the years so that there is usually a good 10 yards in the woods with turf underneath.

In my view it has 18 holes that range from good to great:

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1.  - Fantastic par five with a wide fairway that is reachable in two only if one takes an agressive line tight to the corner off the tee.  If played as a 3 shot hole the hole presents a rarity - an interesting layup with options of conservatively running an iron down the hill or hitting a longer shot to a flat lie while taking on the risk of a fairway picnched by water at the flat spot.

2.  Par 3 over water to angled green with bailout short and left.

3.  One of the best cape holes anywhere to a green that slopes slightly away jutting out in the water.  3 options for lines off the tee and I often layup even with a 80 yard shot for the 2nd

4.  Unique hole that requires one to either carry tall trees or hit a hole in the trees to have a 140 yard approach.  Otherwise it is a 180-190 shot into a well guarded green.

5.  Interesting tee shot to sloping fairway to hit to the 150 yard marker.  Forced carry approach rewards agressive tee shot.

6.  Another par five with an interesting 2nd shot - easy layup with mid iron to 110, all sorts of bunkers and slopes to well guarded green if you want to be agressive.

7 - brutally difficult par 3 - 215 over water often into the wind

8 - a hole that would be better if it were shorter in my book but a fantastic front to back right to left sloping green.

9 - well placed bunkers off tee challenge an agressive tee shot - length of hole causes a player to want to be agressive off tee

10 - short par five that is easily reached in 2 with 2 accurate shots but one can also play very conservatively and avoid risk of water

11 - short par 4 dogleg around water - tee shot distance and line heavily influenced by pin position

12 - great 215 yard par 3 with a giant knob in front of the green being the primary difficulty

13 610 yard par five that seems to play even longer - well placed fairway bunker challenges 2nd shot

14 - terrific par 3 with option to use slopes to feed to pin or aerial approach over bunkers

15 hard dogleg left par four with wide fairway but a 150 yard approach from an agressive tee shot and up to 200 yards if you delay

16 - great par five that is reachable in 2 shots if you use the slopes and hit great shots.  Otherwise big green with lower tier behind the higher tier is unique challenge even for a wedge

17 - terrific short par 3 with interesting use of a hollow punishing a bail out long and left of a green angled left to right and sloped back to front over water

18 - punishing long par four that rewards agressive tee shot and allows for ground game approach

I would label 10 of the 18 holes as outstanding.  I would consider the other 8 to be good holes. 

The only criticism I have is that it can beat the player up.  I would not, however, consider it more difficult than the Harvester. 

Mark Hissey

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2009, 08:50:44 PM »
Perranporth. West Coast of Cornwall. James Braid course. Have a pint at the pub on the beach after.

Hampton Hills in the Pine Barrens of Long Island. Dave Axland says that he would like to buy it and tweak it. That's good enough for me...

Alister Matheson

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2009, 03:41:38 AM »
Invergordon Golf Club a few miles north of Inverness it has a good 18 hole layout parkland setting with some fab views up the Cromarty Firth .

It was extended to 18 holes a few years ago now and the trees need to grow and mature ,but overall i think its a hidden gem!
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Matt Day

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2009, 03:47:35 AM »
Binningup GC about 90 minutes south of Perth, in Western Australia. One of the best nine hole courses in Australia, and is situated in dune terrain. No pro shop, just put your money in the honour box and away you go.

James Boon

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2009, 04:57:22 AM »
In the East Midlands of England I would recommend Cavendish, by Alister MacKenzie. The others in the region worthy of a mention are all probably ranked somewhere (Notts, Lindrick, Woodhall Spa) and so I think Cavendish fits Sean's criteria best? Anyone finding themselves holidaying in the area, the Peak District or even visiting Manchester should check it out.

Cheers,

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Mark Chaplin

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2009, 08:25:40 AM »
Knole Park in Sevenoaks 30 mintues by train from central London.

Gullane numbers 2 & 3

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Dan Kelly

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That aren't well known
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2009, 10:53:10 AM »
Dan - you need to go back.

Jason --

I'm ready when you are.

Should be open by June, right?

(For you non-permafrosters: That's just a little dark humor -- the sort in which we Upper Midwesterners specialize, particularly at this time of year.)

Dan
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Sean_A

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2010, 04:19:34 AM »
I can certainly second Boon's Cavendish.  I don't know the area well at all, but this course took me by surprise in how good it was.  I also like Chapper's vote for Gullane #3 - what a lovely course and I would think a perfect venue for a hickory match.  Of course Hissey's Perranporth is outstanding. 

I don't know the London area as well as the West Midlands, but I know it fairly well.  I recently played CAMBERLEY HEATH and it was a cracker.  Lots of hills and twisting fairways with all sorts of variety in the two-shotters. 

I spose I am slowly learning what is between me and London.  On this past Winter Tour I played SOUTHFIELD on the recommendation of the Other Muldoon.  What a surprise.  It was a lovely course with Oxford spires as a backdrop.  Lots of movement in the land, but still cultured by the hand of Colt.  Southfield is well worth a visit.  Of course, if I am talking about courses between me and London Huntercombe and Temple must be mentioned.  These two with Southfield on a mini tour staying in Oxford would be a delightful trip.

I would like to hear about more gems from areas you lot know well. 

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JNC Lyon

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2010, 04:25:52 AM »
I think Ron M. recommended Winston Lake in an earlier post, and I would second that along with Oak Hollow in the Winston-Salem/High Point area.  Best value for golf I have seen.

Huntercombe near Oxfordshite is relatively under-the-radar, although it is fairly well-known here.  My favorite little-known track I've seen in London is Denham Golf Club, an HS Colt design north of the city.  Very cool set of par threes and some great greens.

For the Rochester area, Irondequoit and Brook Lea are two Ross layouts that get very little recognition.  They are not as good as CC of Rochester, the Oak Hill courses, or Monroe, but they are very fun nonetheless.  The terrain on the front nine at Irondequoit is absolutely phenomenal. 
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Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

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« Reply #43 on: May 05, 2010, 04:30:24 AM »
I think if you're in Donegal, you should try to get a game at Dunfanaghy. It's got some really good holes and is fun to play. It's not rated in the top 100 in Ireland, but for enjoyment and variety, I just love it. The other one I have recommended in the past is the 9-hole course at Otway.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2010, 05:32:26 AM »
Ally Matheson mentioned Fraserburgh in a previous post... Peterhead ain't half bad either and if they do their marketing right, the North East of Scotland could become a proper golf destination with the new Trump course, Royal Aberdeen, Murcar and Cruden Bay all lying close to each other and these first two...

I don't hear much talked about Moray (Lossiemouth) either... Some great rumpled fairways there...

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Simon Holt

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2010, 05:46:59 AM »
East Lothian is pretty well known so these wont be big surprises but definitely great value and worth a visit!!

Everyone knows about NB West, Gullane No.1 and Muirfield but here are some of the others,

Kilspindie-

I love this course.  Short course- opens with a par 3 and finishes with a drivable 4 which your ball can end up in the dining room.  The 4th hole is the stand out hole for me.  I would go as far to say its one of the best short 4s I have played ANYWHERE.

Weekday- ~£40, weekend ~£50

http://kilspindiegolfclub.com

Luffness

Another great short course.  Old Tom Morris design, no tee times, just on the outskirts of Gullane.

~£75

http://www.luffnessgolf.com

Dunbar

Some really nice holes down at the far end of the course.  11 and 14 are two of my favourites.

http://www.dunbar-golfclub.co.uk


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Andrew Mitchell

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #46 on: May 05, 2010, 05:55:55 AM »
In West Yorkshire Alwoodley & Moortown tend to get all the publicity but Ilkley is a lovely track. Picturesquely set on the banks of the River Wharfe this is a gentle walk but a good test of shotmaking. More here...http://www.ilkleygolfclub.co.uk/index.html

If you prefer your golf a little more rugged you could try my home village course Baildon, a treeless moorland course usually buffeted by the wind. It's origins lie with Old Tom Morris and on a weekend you generally get to share it with horses, dogs, walkers, kite flyers and hang gliders! Most of those explain why I'm not a member there but it's good to play on a quiet midweek evening. More here... http://www.baildongolfclub.com/
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: RECOMMENDATIONS That Aren't Well Known
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2010, 06:04:48 AM »
In West Yorkshire Alwoodley & Moortwon tend to get all the publicity but Ilkley is a lovely track. Picturesquely set on the banks of the River Wharfe this is a gentle walk but a good test of shotmaking. More here...http://www.ilkleygolfclub.co.uk/index.html


Andrew,

I'm organising a "MacKenzie" weekend in Leeds next year and was going for four courses: Alwoodley, Moortown, Ilkley and Sand Moor... Have you played Sand Moor?... How does it compare?

Adam Lawrence

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« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2010, 06:50:14 AM »
As far as Yorkshire courses that fly below the radar are concerned, ever since I was a kid I've had a soft spot for Halifax. I guess I was about thirteen when I first played there, and I couldn't hit it very far, and the streams that cross many of the fairways would come into play for my Dad and his mates, but not for me. A wild piece of land - really a walk on the moors with golf included - but some terrific holes.
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Mark_Rowlinson

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« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2010, 07:01:46 AM »
In my neck of the woods, Cheshire, Prestbury (Colt) and Delamere Forest (Fowler) are must plays - DFGC is also our best winter course. Although they are well-known on GCA they are off the ranking radar. Prestbury could easily be combined with Cavendish, or Reddish Vale, a very individual MacKenzie course in the Stockport suburbs. Reddish Vale a very welcoming club and is proud of its heritage - they'll show you lots of archive material if the Secretary is about. Sandiway is a Colt reworking of a Ted Ray original, with later alterations to accommodate neighbouring road alterations. It's generally reckoned to be the second hardest course on which to match your handicap after Royal Liverpool in what we still think of as Cheshire. Stockport is a good course, not overlong, but it is well maintained and there are some cracking holes (not least the 1st, a stern 460-yard par 4). It was designed by Sandy Herd, but the construction was overseen by the club's first professional, Peter Barrie, whose attention to detail ensured some lovely approach shots for those who still like to play the ground game. It would be a great course on which to play period clubs and balls.

While not as compulsive as Prestbury or Delamere, Ringway (mostly Colt) is a very good test of golf with a higher proportion of longer two-shot holes than most local courses of its age. There are too many trees affecting the shorter hitter, but not the long hitter. The professional, Nick Ryan, reckons it plays more as the architect intended in winter when the ball does not travel so far. Good maintenance. It has two holes by James Braid - but not the James Braid you are thinking of - this was his son James Junior. They are not good holes. The course is very convenient for Manchester Airport.

I must revisit Wirral Ladies' which is an excellent test of the short game and the club is most hospitable. After BUDA Wallasey is known on this site, but not recognised in the golfing press. Its green fee is somewhat forbidding. Also on the Wirral, Prenton is a solid MacKenzie course - parkland. I love Caldy and Heswall for their handsome settings beside the Dee Estuary, but neither is calling you to study their design.

Of the contemporary courses I can express only disappointment, apart from the back nine at Mottram Hall. It's a Dave Thomas 'championship' course for a De Vere Hotel. Don't bother to play the course, but walk the back nine - there are some demanding, muscular holes.

North Wales as a region is still off the golfing map. The toughest test is Conwy. Sean speaks higher of its architecture than I do. If anyone wants an introduction I'm a member. North Wales (the golf club, not the region) is great fun with lots of old-fashioned holes, bits of blindness, and a degree of quirk. Bull Bay is remote, but compulsory golf, with superb lay of the land architecture (a few silly bunkers - presumably not Fowler's - notwithstanding). Holyhead is no slouch - a good links test. Parts of Porthmadoc are in outstanding links country, but there is some duller stuff inland, earlier on in the round. On the Lleyn Peninsula Nefyn divides opinion. You have to go there in good weather to enjoy the best of the spectacular situation. There is some very dull golf on holes of little character and the memorable holes on the headland are extraordinary, but hardly good architecture. Go there to enjoy its uniqueness, but don't look too closely at the design.

Harlech does get recognition in the rankings. I love it, but others on this site are disappointed. The same might be said of Aberdovey. Again, I love it. The one parkland course in North Wales I want to return to is Wrexham. It is astonishingly varied in its terrain and can truthfully boast that no two holes bear any similarity to each other. The green fee is not prohibitive. Two fun courses that ought to be experienced once in a liftetime are Bala and Ffestiniog. I've mentioned them many times on here. Don't try to keep a scorecard on either!

I'll put in a word, too, for a couple of clubs in Hertfordshire. Sandy Lodge I have got to know rather well over the last few years. OK, there are more trees and there have been some alterations since it opened 100 years ago, but its still as near to an inland links as you'll find in this otherwise clay-based region. Bunkerless Berkhamsted is a fine course that nobody on GCA other than I seems to rate. For that matter, what do we think of Moor Park High Course? I've only played it twice but I really enjoyed the scale of it. I know some of the original bunkering has been lost, but it's still a very solid Colt course. So, to my mind, is Beaconsfield, a near neighbour of Denham. And I have a lot of time for Burnham Beeches only a mile or two away.

That's enough for now!

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