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Mark Chaplin

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2009, 10:14:35 AM »
Provided the snow stays away you can have 9.00, 9.10, 9.20, 9.30, 9.40 or 9.50 off the 1st as a two ball or or same times expcept 9.30 which is gone as a four ball at Muirfield tomorrow for £100 a head.

With the exception of Loch Lomond, Glasgow Killermont, Wisley and Queenwood is there anywhere else in he UK we cannot get on?? Even Rye and Swinley usually allow access with a letter.
Cave Nil Vino

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2009, 10:17:05 AM »
Tom

Nothing has changed much at Muirfield. Last summer I tried to get the curtsey of the course for Ernie Payne with out Centenary Challenge. The current club Secretary responded in what was surprisingly a rather sharp letter bemoaning insufficient time to arrange anything. He insisted on a minimum of two weeks prior notice. Rather than argue and prostrate ourselves, a game was arranged through a Member and Ernie played within the same week.

No matter how established a club is, their officers should show IMHO good will to all visitors. One good point I suppose is that at least he did have the courtesy to respond and in writing, which is more that I can say for a lot of GB clubs.

Melvyn 


Bill_McBride

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2009, 11:16:16 AM »
Tom

Nothing has changed much at Muirfield. Last summer I tried to get the curtsey of the course for Ernie Payne with out Centenary Challenge. The current club Secretary responded in what was surprisingly a rather sharp letter bemoaning insufficient time to arrange anything. He insisted on a minimum of two weeks prior notice. Rather than argue and prostrate ourselves, a game was arranged through a Member and Ernie played within the same week.

No matter how established a club is, their officers should show IMHO good will to all visitors. One good point I suppose is that at least he did have the courtesy to respond and in writing, which is more that I can say for a lot of GB clubs.

Melvyn 



From what i've heard over the years, it seems that Muirfield has loosened up tremendously.  The ability to pick (if not formally book) a tee time from their website is a great enhancement.  Some of the old tales of Mr. Hamner's "hospitality" were hysterical.  Everyone we encountered in March 2007 at Muirfield was delightful to us.  Having said that, they do like to take their time when considering your application to play there, and they truly don't want any inconvenience to their membership.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2009, 12:18:15 PM by Bill_McBride »

Chuck Brown

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2009, 12:44:49 PM »
This seems as good a time as any to roll out the semi-annual quotation of the late great Bob Hope, on CPC:

"Cypress Point just had a membership drive.  They drove out 40 members."

[Was Bob ever a member?  Crosby was, wasn't he?]

Tom_Doak

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2009, 01:06:52 PM »
Mark Chaplin: 

I was not thinking of the three new-money clubs in the UK, but was surprised to hear that Glasgow Killermont is equally exclusive.  What's the story there?

I did meet someone for lunch at The Wisley last year and was quite surprised to see how tony a place that is.

Chuck Brown

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2009, 02:04:55 PM »
Dept. of Answering-My-Own-Questions:

Yes, Bob Hope was a member at CPC, reportedly for more than 40 years, notwithstanding his "membership drive" quip during a dinner performance at one of the Clambakes.  Who says the CPC membership can't take a joke?  As for a good grovel, well, I'll just have to study that some more... ;)

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2009, 02:08:34 PM »
quite surprised to see how tony a place that is.

Tom I believe that's the second time you've written "tony"on here.  Last time I assumed you'd mistakenly left off an intial 's' thus completely misunderstanding you.  In my 50 years I never knew... Thanks  :)

http://www.answers.com/topic/tony

Now that I know, I'd like to say... if the cap fits... ;)
« Last Edit: February 02, 2009, 02:46:52 PM by Tony_Muldoon »
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Jerry Kluger

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2009, 03:08:53 PM »
Okay, so you have gotten the opportunity to play one of these venues and when you go to check in you find out there is a fee of $300 plus caddie - do you stay and pay or do you walk away -  I am guessing that most would pay it for ANGC - how about the others?

K. Krahenbuhl

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2009, 03:27:11 PM »
Okay, so you have gotten the opportunity to play one of these venues and when you go to check in you find out there is a fee of $300 plus caddie - do you stay and pay or do you walk away -  I am guessing that most would pay it for ANGC - how about the others?

I'd pay that for any of those clubs without a second thought.

PCCraig

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2009, 03:44:33 PM »
Okay, so you have gotten the opportunity to play one of these venues and when you go to check in you find out there is a fee of $300 plus caddie - do you stay and pay or do you walk away -  I am guessing that most would pay it for ANGC - how about the others?

I'd pay that for any of those clubs without a second thought.

That is a sweet deal considering how many public Fazio courses now charge $200 to ride.
H.P.S.

corey miller

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2009, 04:26:35 PM »


" so you have gotten the opportunity to play one of these venues and when you go to check in you find out there is a fee of $300 plus caddie - do you stay and pay or do you walk away -  I am guessing that most would pay it for ANGC - how about the others? "

Most of those places probably are $300 plus caddie as an un-escorted guest.  I suggest you find out the greens fee before groveling.


Kalen Braley

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2009, 04:27:24 PM »
Okay, so you have gotten the opportunity to play one of these venues and when you go to check in you find out there is a fee of $300 plus caddie - do you stay and pay or do you walk away -  I am guessing that most would pay it for ANGC - how about the others?

Jerry,

This is always an interesting question as to how much one would pay for <insert golf course name>.  In CPCs case and for the MP in general, many pay more than that every day in the form of Pebble, and almost as much in Spyglass....so I guess we have our answer there. 

Personally I would guess there is at least 10 courses on my wish list that I would pay $300 + caddie to play, but no doubt it drops off sharply after that.

Chuck Brown

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2009, 05:36:36 PM »
Okay, so you have gotten the opportunity to play one of these venues and when you go to check in you find out there is a fee of $300 plus caddie - do you stay and pay or do you walk away -  I am guessing that most would pay it for ANGC - how about the others?

I'd pay that for any of those clubs without a second thought.
Yeah, "a second thought" would be way more time than I'd need.  Yes.  The answer is yes, before you even ask the question.  Shinnecock?  National?  Sebonack?  Yes.  In a New York minute.  CPC?  Yep.  In a Monterey minute.  Etc., etc., etc.  Seminole, Sand Hills, the list could get really long.  What a glorious way to spend $300.  I think I might spend $300 just to be able to spend $300 that way.
 ;D
« Last Edit: February 02, 2009, 05:44:27 PM by Chuck Brown »

jeffwarne

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2009, 06:33:03 PM »
Okay, so you have gotten the opportunity to play one of these venues and when you go to check in you find out there is a fee of $300 plus caddie - do you stay and pay or do you walk away -  I am guessing that most would pay it for ANGC - how about the others?

So someone would be willing to grovel (I wouldn't-I'm with Sean A. on this one),
but they wouldn't pay $300 + caddie?
The cost per round for the MEMBERS is probably above that for many/most.

I wouldn't grovel, but I'd definitely pay the fees (if it came up) once I accepted the invite.

As Sean said, if a polite, well timed  letter and request date isn't enough as an introduction,(and understandably it isn't in certain places) and a member hasn't formally invited you- you probably would have a better day elsewhere-there are lots of accessible great and relaxed courses.
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Damon Groves

Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2009, 11:44:24 PM »
The groveling works but you have to at least no one someone. I have done my share of groveling to get on to the few courses where I knew a member but for a local muni guy that has an average job with no real connections what do you do?

Jed Peters

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2009, 12:09:33 AM »
I recently groveled my way on to one of the courses listed.

The fee was nearly what was quoted above.

I would pay that fee any day of the week, or any time, regardless to play there.

Other people do not think the same way I do on the subject.

Oh well.

Mike_Trenham

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2009, 12:33:39 AM »
Olde Sandwich - seems like a newer one that is tough one to get on
Quaker Ridge - is also not too easy to get on from what I hear
Proud member of a Doak 3.

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2009, 03:19:08 AM »
Tom Doak,

I think all of the old money clubs have now left the door ajar to a request to play. I understand Glasgow GC has a very busy membership so reserve Killermont for members and guests and allow visitor play at Gailes links.

We go back to the age old debate on allowing visitors, one thing that does amaze me is how cheap guest fees are at old money clubs, with few charging more than £20/$30. Several US club I've visited are 7-10 times that with a caddie.

Melvyn may have been disappointed with HGEC wanting some notice when asking for a courtesy, I would imagine they get at least a request a week many from charities and I'm sure they have a procedure to follow. Under such circumstances I would say requesting a courtesy should be the last resort after all other avenues had been explored. Clearly in this case they hadn' been explored as a member was found to assist the visitor. 
Cave Nil Vino

Paul Nash

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2009, 03:40:16 AM »
Provided the snow stays away you can have 9.00, 9.10, 9.20, 9.30, 9.40 or 9.50 off the 1st as a two ball or or same times expcept 9.30 which is gone as a four ball at Muirfield tomorrow for £100 a head.

With the exception of Loch Lomond, Glasgow Killermont, Wisley and Queenwood is there anywhere else in he UK we cannot get on?? Even Rye and Swinley usually allow access with a letter.
Not even heard of Killermont! Not sure but I think Renaissance and Archerfield are also members only. There is also a Dave Thomas course north of London near Rickmansworth called Batchworth Park, which I know nothing about, that looks to be private. Someone told me at the weekend that guest fees at Queenwood were £250 and I think you have to have a caddy on top of that.

Jim Nugent

Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2009, 03:45:40 AM »

So someone would be willing to grovel (I wouldn't-I'm with Sean A. on this one),
but they wouldn't pay $300 + caddie?

You already groveled to get on the on the course.  Why not grovel some more, for a reduced greens fee? ;)

Paul Nash

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2009, 03:46:27 AM »
Provided the snow stays away you can have 9.00, 9.10, 9.20, 9.30, 9.40 or 9.50 off the 1st as a two ball or or same times expcept 9.30 which is gone as a four ball at Muirfield tomorrow for £100 a head.

With the exception of Loch Lomond, Glasgow Killermont, Wisley and Queenwood is there anywhere else in he UK we cannot get on?? Even Rye and Swinley usually allow access with a letter.
Not even heard of Killermont! Not sure but I think Renaissance and Archerfield are also members only. There is also a Dave Thomas course north of London near Rickmansworth called Batchworth Park, which I know nothing about, that looks to be private. Someone told me at the weekend that guest fees at Queenwood were £250 and I think you have to have a caddy on top of that.
I forgot - one more course that is still, somehow, private, is Castle Royal (The Club Company), a Neil Coles course on the A4 between Maidenhead and Reading, that opened in 1994 - they are still trying to get nearly £9k for a "transferable" membership! It has never been full.

Mark Pearce

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2009, 04:06:25 AM »
Paul,

Castle Royal (Royle?) can't be that private.  A good friend of mine was a member in the early days and I've played it several times.  It's an OK course but no way would I go out of my way to play it, let alone grovel.  I'd be really surprised if you couldn;'t just walk up and play, to be honest.  I'd certainly expect that a letter would get you on relatively easily.  If I'm wrong and things have changed then they've got a tough sell on their hands.

Mark
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Paul Nash

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2009, 04:22:43 AM »
Paul,

Castle Royal (Royle?) can't be that private.  A good friend of mine was a member in the early days and I've played it several times.  It's an OK course but no way would I go out of my way to play it, let alone grovel.  I'd be really surprised if you couldn;'t just walk up and play, to be honest.  I'd certainly expect that a letter would get you on relatively easily.  If I'm wrong and things have changed then they've got a tough sell on their hands.

Mark
Mark - that is the correct name. And it is still private - not the most private or exclusive and not a course to grovel to play, but they still sell themselves as being members and guests only. I was a member for a year in 97 and it was the same then. You are right in believing they have a tough sell on their hands with a £9k joining and circa £2200 per year! It was £800 per year in 97/8.

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2009, 04:34:43 AM »
Queenwood at £250 does not make sense, taking 3 guests would cost the host the thick end of £1000 for a day, it would be impossible to invite a guest at that figure and then ask them to pay.

I know a couple of people who were invited to join Loch Lomond and turned them down for that very reason
Cave Nil Vino

Rich Goodale

Re: Tom Doak's "Course Worth Groveling to Play"
« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2009, 04:39:23 AM »
In my experience, the reports of Muirfield's privacy have always been greatly exaggerated.  I first played there in 1978, arriving from San Francisco unannounced with nothing more than a letter in my pocket from the Secretary of the modest Mill Valley Golf Clubdeclaring me to be a member and asking that they give me their courtesy.  I was smart enough to show up in a jacket and tie, and after a brief chat, Captain Hanmer told me to show up on the first tee at 10am the next day, which of course I did.  He never even asked for my letter of introduction.  In subsequent years, just sending a letter of thanks for previous courtesies and a preferred date for the next year sufficed.

As for Glasgow Golf Club (Killermont) I've never had any particular desire to play there, but I'd be surprised if were that difficult to get a game.  It is the poshest of the Glasgow clubs, but that isn't saying much.  If Lloyd Cole sees this, maybe he can comment.  His father was the Steward at Killermont for several years and Lloyd knows the club and the course well.

As to the overfall topic, no golf course is wroth grovelling.  If I believed otherwise I would have probably been able to play Augusta through members who were family friends.  To me selling one's self respect for such a fleeting pleasure would be intolerable.  After all, it's not the Reverse Jans, is it?
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