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Craig Disher

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Re: Southern Pines history - 18 holes by 1912 - USGA Bulletin Jan 1913
« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2009, 10:27:58 AM »
Mike,
This photo is from the 1930s survey by the Dept of Ag. It was taken in 1940 and shows (it is convincing to me) 36 holes at SPCC. The yellow lines are the current course; the double red are the holes that comprised the Cardinal 9; the single red lines are the lost 9. Some of the lost 9 holes have homes on them, some are still on un-built but wooded ground.

Look at the 4th green on the current course. There is a green to its left which I believe is the lost 5th green (a par 3) of a 9-hole loop. The green was located near the site of the current 15th tee.


Mike_Cirba

Re: Southern Pines history - 18 holes by 1912 - USGA Bulletin Jan 1913
« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2009, 10:38:14 AM »
Craig,

That's awesome!!   That should also solve the mystery of whether Donald Ross built the present Southern Pines course as his booklet claimed.   

The only thing left outstanding to me is whether the early iterations of the course were on the same property.

Craig Disher

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Re: Southern Pines history - 18 holes by 1912 - USGA Bulletin Jan 1913
« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2009, 11:11:56 AM »
Craig,

That's awesome!!   That should also solve the mystery of whether Donald Ross built the present Southern Pines course as his booklet claimed.   

The only thing left outstanding to me is whether the early iterations of the course were on the same property.

I don't think there is a more reasonable explanation for these 36 holes than they were designed by Ross as stated in his booklet.

Next step is to look at the Southern Pines plats for 1900-1930 and see who owned what property. Richard Mandel was pretty thorough in his research so it's possible they don't exist.

On the upper right of the photo you can see the Highland Pines Inn - a grand hotel designed by Aymar Embury who also designed both clubhouses for SPCC and other homes in the area. I read somewhere that guests could play at SPCC.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Southern Pines history - 18 holes by 1912 - USGA Bulletin Jan 1913
« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2009, 12:01:05 PM »
Does the ballfield show up on this aerial? How about the golf course in Weymouth?
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Bart Bradley

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Re: Southern Pines history - 18 holes by 1912 - USGA Bulletin Jan 1913
« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2009, 12:45:57 PM »
Craig,

That's awesome!!   That should also solve the mystery of whether Donald Ross built the present Southern Pines course as his booklet claimed.   

The only thing left outstanding to me is whether the early iterations of the course were on the same property.

Mike,

Can you spell it out for a simpleton like me?  How does this picture prove that it was Ross who built the course?

Bart

Craig Disher

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Re: Southern Pines history - 18 holes by 1912 - USGA Bulletin Jan 1913
« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2009, 04:58:03 PM »
Bart,
The aerial confirms that 36 holes were built around what is now SPCC. 27 of the holes are still visible and features of the other 9 might be found in the areas that haven't been turned over to housing.

What connects Ross to the aerial are newspaper and magazine accounts from the 1930s that refer to Ross's 36 holes at SP. Another piece of evidence is the brochure Ross produced that lists courses he designed - the SP page is posted earlier in the thread. This evidence isn't contradicted by anything anyone has found that would suggest that someone else designed the course. I think the only thing missing is a set of Ross drawings - and I doubt we'll ever see those, if they existed at all.

Mike_Cirba

Re: Southern Pines history - 18 holes by 1912 - USGA Bulletin Jan 1913
« Reply #56 on: January 24, 2009, 04:17:57 PM »
It turns out that the first course at Southern Pines had some association with the "Southern Pines Hotel" which opened in 1900.

It was the largest and most successful in the village, and was located downtown at the corner of New York Avenue and SE Broad St. and two blocks from the train station bringing tourists in from the north and midwest.

It was started by transplanted Connecticut Yankee William Emerson Giles, and his wife Angelina.

Then, according to the Moore County Historical Society;

"Good times prevailed for several years. The kids were then teenagers, able to help
manage and participate in Hotel activities. The Giles’ polished the Hotel and practiced
their cheery greeting: “Good Morning, good to see you”. During the summer they
closed the Hotel and departed to Blowing Rock where from June to October, they operated
the Blowing Rock Hotel (Fig.6). The risk of doing business however, was just as
great then as it is today, and a winning combination can, as we all know, be ‘shattered’
by the unexpected and the unexpected happened on January 20th, 1906, when Giles at
age 36, after helping with the layout the Southern Pines Golf Course, contracted and
succumbed to pneumonia
."

Despite the death of Mr. Giles, the hotel prospered through most of the 1920s under new ownership (Angelina was kept on as manager and eventually married the new owner, Daniel McAdams.   The McAdams sold the hotel in 1924 to J.J. Harrington of New Hampshire.

In 1931 the Hotel burned to the ground.   Today, it is the site of the Southern Pines Post Office, roughly about 1000 metres from the Southern Pines Golf Clubhouse.


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