[Andy Troeger]

Chris,
Sycamore Hills is a very good golf course, I just think SBCC is really underrated. My guess is that raters just don't get to it other than the ones in the local area, some of whom don't appreciate what they have IMO.

I'm not the one who initially compared Wolf Run to California courses, but I do have it ahead of Pasa, Spyglass, and MPCC Shore--all of which I think are top 100 courses.

[JLahrman]

Clint, those are great pictures, are they in the sequential order of the holes?

[PThomas]

a SUPERB golf course!

[Bart Bradley]

So if this is Steve Smyers best work, what is his second best?

Has anyone seen Lockenheath?

To my knowlegde, Wolf Run is the only Smyers I have seen.  I thought he used the land very well and had a lot of variety in the holes and shots required.  I'd love to see more of his work.

Bart

[C. Squier]

Clint, those are great pictures, are they in the sequential order of the holes?

Yep! 

[PThomas]

So if this is Steve Smyers best work, what is his second best?

Has anyone seen Lockenheath?

To my knowlegde, Wolf Run is the only Smyers I have seen.  I thought he used the land very well and had a lot of variety in the holes and shots required.  I'd love to see more of his work.

Bart

Lochenheath is also pretty good, but WR is definitely better

I wonder if the former is going to survive......started out as a private i think, but public now, run by a Tribe..

i played last fall and the course was fine, but it was a first to find nothing for sale in the pro shop....

[Will Haskett]

While I haven't played some of the better courses in the northern part of the state, I will always contend that Wolf is the best course in the state. In my opinion, it is certainly the best course in the greater Indianapolis area. I've played Crooked Stick a couple of times, and I think Wolf Run is significantly better.

I think the architecture of the course is what I love so much. Every hole has its own character. The memory of your round stays with you so much more than it would somewhere else. And, in this day and age of bigger, longer holes, I love the challenge this course provides with all sorts of holes. There are short par 4's that have you questioning how aggressive to be. The postage stamp 16th hole is what I think most courses lack: a testing short par 3. You have some very tight driving holes and some wide-open, links-style holes that provide a lot of balance in the round too.

Not to mention the course is always in immaculate shape.

If you have a connection and can get on there, I think it's a must play in Indiana.

[Mike Nuzzo]

Great effort posting all those pictures --- wow.

As for the course -- I am very unimpressed.
Over bunkered
Uninspiring greens
Artificial little humps on the perimeter of fairways that don't work with the flow of the land
Ugly compositions with lots of cart path
Tight trees

I liked the kick plate fairway and some of the natural contours.
It may be routed well.

I would drive 50 miles to play - 100 miles if meeting a friend from the treehouse.

Cheers

[Sam Morrow]

Great effort posting all those pictures --- wow.

As for the course -- I am very unimpressed.
Over bunkered
Uninspiring greens
Artificial little humps on the perimeter of fairways that don't work with the flow of the land
Ugly compositions with lots of cart path
Tight trees

I liked the kick plate fairway and some of the natural contours.
It may be routed well.

I would drive 50 miles to play - 100 miles if meeting a friend from the treehouse.

Cheers

Wow Mike, that's a  rough assessment. Have you played it or is this simply based on the pictures?

[PCCraig]

So if this is Steve Smyers best work, what is his second best?

Has anyone seen Lockenheath?

To my knowlegde, Wolf Run is the only Smyers I have seen.  I thought he used the land very well and had a lot of variety in the holes and shots required.  I'd love to see more of his work.

Bart

While I really like Wolf Run I would have to say that I think Old Memorial outside Tampa is a very good golf course as well.

[Mike Nuzzo]

Sam,
Just pictures.
I thought driving 100 miles to play there with you wasn't too rough.
Cheers

[Lou_Duran]

Bob,

You are indeed the member I was referring to.  Forgive me that I misstated what I thought you told me, in Chicago, as I recall.  My memory is a bit fuzzy, but what stuck in my mind is that you said you played some 340 rounds one year, with 30 or so at other courses.  Whatever the number, it is duly impressive.  And, for the record, you're a fine golfer.  I would be curious to learn your low and high rounds at WR.

I keep getting confused on Victoria National, south IL or IN?  I would have to think real hard to choose between the two.  Both are outstanding.  Is WR a bit tighter, perhaps with a little more variety?

BTW, has the initiation fee and dues remained stable at WR?  How is the pheasant hunting in the area?
 
Clint,

Pictures like yours make me want to go out and play.  Great job. 

[C. Squier]

Clint,

Pictures like yours make me want to go out and play.  Great job. 

Any time, just say the word  

Clint

[Peter Ferlicca]

Hole 13
This hole is over 240 yards from the tips.  It is a absolute brute of a golf hole, you are almost always walking away with a bogey or worse.  My friend always laid up to the patch of grass to the right, to leave himself a wedge in.  If you attack it with three wood, you are most likely going to hit the green and roll through it to the collection area 10 feet below the green behind it.  The two par threes on the back nine have about how much variation as there is.  A 240 yard hole, and a 130 yard pitch to a bite size green.  Both make you very nervous when you are about to tee off.

[Mark Pearce]

Hole 13
This hole is over 240 yards from the tips.  It is a absolute brute of a golf hole, you are almost always walking away with a bogey or worse.  My friend always laid up to the patch of grass to the right, to leave himself a wedge in.  If you attack it with three wood, you are most likely going to hit the green and roll through it to the collection area 10 feet below the green behind it.  The two par threes on the back nine have about how much variation as there is.  A 240 yard hole, and a 130 yard pitch to a bite size green.  Both make you very nervous when you are about to tee off.

I played WR a couple of years ago when visiting a client in Indianapolis.   I really enjoyed it, though it beat me up.  I did birdie both par 3s on the back 9, though

[Bob Barriger]

Lou, my low at WRGC is 69 from the tips. I did post 370 rounds one year on GHIN  and probably close to 300 were at WRGC.  If I show up in the morning, me or my group are first off because we play ready golf, are all low single digit hdcps and play efficiently. It is Smyers best work, STeve was supposed to join us Saturday at his Bridgewater course in Lakeland FL but his son had a tourney at Innisbrook.Steve told me he thought his course at Lochenheath was 3-4 shots harder but I did not find it so. At WRGC, you cannot miss on the shortside of the pin. If you have it in the deep rough or fescue just get it back in play and keep the big numbers off the board.  The course plays at its most difficult in late May and June when the bluegrass rough is thickest. The variation on the par 3s are wonderful,#2 190 yds, #6 165 yds to a redan styled green, #13 225 yds all carry, #16 130 yds downhill to a postage stamp size green. These yardages are from the current black tees, which are not the tips. So  I hit a hybrid from #13 to a PW to #16 and a mid iron and long iron on the other 2.

[Jeff Goldman]

Bob B. is being modest about his playing.  A friend of mine and I went down to Wolf Run year before last, and met Bob for a quick 36.  Of course, by the time we got there mid-morning, Bob had already finished his warm-up 18.    

Too bad you missed Bridgewater; I thought it was really, really fun, with terrifically fun greens.  Given Steve's (and design partner Patrick Andrews') proclivities for , shall we say, "challenging" courses, that's saying a lot.

[Richard Boult]

http://delicious.com/golfclubatlas/Indiana

Thanks to Brian Joines, I'll be adding the following to our Indiana directory soon:

Bear Slide
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,29937.0.html

Sultan's Run   
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,35366.0.html

Champions Pointe
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,35330.0.html

Bent Tree
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,29467.0.html

Coyote Crossing
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,30844.0.html

Rock Hollow
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,31094.0.html

The Fort
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,30723.0.html

Eagle Creek
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,29673.0.html

Covered Bridge
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,30455.0.html

Trophy Club
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,30321.0.html

Otter Creek
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,30083.0.html

Golf Club of Indiana
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,29393.0.html

Warren Golf Course
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,29584.0.html
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,31709.0.html

South Bend CC
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,27660.0.html

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