[Michael Dugger]

[Tim Gavrich]

#15, Greenbrier-Old White

[JNC Lyon]

This is an awesome photograph.  I did not realize it was 13 at NGLA at first.  The mist gives the hole a totally different feel.  It is not how I normally picture the golf course.  The picture is great because it provides a new feel of the hole and the course overall.

[JSPayne]

#5, Meadow Club, Fairfax, CA

[Jay Flemma]

Doak called this the best Eden Hole in America:

[Bill_McBride]

#5, Meadow Club, Fairfax, CA

Why don't any of these American Edens have the "Hill bunker" on the left of the green, a small "Strath bunker" in front center, and a "Shell bunker (big and short)" to the right?

In my opinion it's all about the bunker placement linked to green slopes, and nothing I've seen in the U.S. is anything like the exemplar at The Old Course.  Certainly not at the Meadow Club where that green slopes off to the left.  It's a great par 3, but not an Eden, I don't think.

[JSPayne]

Bill......Meadow Club's example may not be perfect, but please don't condemn it based on my picture taking abilities. The first picture is taken from an angle far to the left of the tees, so the bunker placement from the tees actually lines up much more like you describe. The contours of the green are also slightly misrepresented, though are still unique to Meadow Club as opposed to the orginal, as there is somewhat of a "bowl" in the front center with the green sloping off to both sides on the upper tier.

(It's been a while since I was there, so my memory of the slopes may be foggy, but I'm sure Tully or Mike DeVries will correct me if I'm way off base...maybe Tully could even post a picture of the original design!  )

[Dan Moore]

11th at Spring Valley: Langford and Moreau
I don't think the tree in the cockleshell bunker was part of the original design concept. 

[Bill_McBride]

Bill......Meadow Club's example may not be perfect, but please don't condemn it based on my picture taking abilities. The first picture is taken from an angle far to the left of the tees, so the bunker placement from the tees actually lines up much more like you describe. The contours of the green are also slightly misrepresented, though are still unique to Meadow Club as opposed to the orginal, as there is somewhat of a "bowl" in the front center with the green sloping off to both sides on the upper tier.

(It's been a while since I was there, so my memory of the slopes may be foggy, but I'm sure Tully or Mike DeVries will correct me if I'm way off base...maybe Tully could even post a picture of the original design!  )

I was actually thinking back to the actual hole rather than your photo, as I've played there twice in the last couple of years.  And caddied there in the '60's but had no idea what an "Eden" was in those days!

[Ari Techner]

Does anyone have any good pictures of the real Eden at TOC?

[Garland Bayley]

[RJ_Daley]

It seems to me that 17th Eden at Blue Mound CC in Milwaukee resembles the 15th a Greenbrier quite a bit:
Greenbrier


17th Blue Mound:
tee

from high back right side

backside

back left side


Spring Valley's grass bunkers looks interesting without the sand in where the traditional sand bunkers are.

[Patrick_Mucci]

This is an awesome photograph.  I did not realize it was 13 at NGLA at first.  The mist gives the hole a totally different feel.  It is not how I normally picture the golf course.  The picture is great because it provides a new feel of the hole and the course overall.

The view shown in the photo does NOT represent the view from the golfer's eyes as he stands on the tee, which is further to the right.

The 18th at Garden City Golf Club may be amongst the best Edens in the U.S.

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