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Scott Macpherson

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #50 on: December 01, 2008, 09:09:46 AM »
George,

how about....

'Seth Raynor – off the Radar.'

Then add your own subtitle.


Seems most people in the wider world have no idea who he was.


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George_Bahto

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« Reply #51 on: December 01, 2008, 10:08:15 AM »
Sean - I agree to a point

We were a little worried about the word "Evangelist" in the title for book one

One the other hand, these architecture books a not big sellers and mine hardly ever showed on bookshelves of the large book stores - I was told to expect that. It was disappointing but not a surprise ..... so with this more limited audience, all this, may not be a major issue.

Thank you everyone for the responses so far.
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Sean_A

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #52 on: December 01, 2008, 10:58:38 AM »
Quote from: George_Bahto on December 01, 2008, 10:08:15 AM
Sean - I agree to a point

We were a little worried about the word "Evangelist" in the title for book one

One the other hand, these architecture books a not big sellers and mine hardly ever showed on bookshelves of the large book stores - I was told to expect that. It was disappointing but not a surprise ..... so with this more limited audience, all this, may not be a major issue.

Thank you everyone for the responses so far.

I understand the limited appeal of these books, but there is no sense in being obscure.  I don't think the title of your first book is out of whack because you threw in "Golf" - a very important part of the title if you ask me.  Thats all I am saying. 

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SPDB

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« Reply #53 on: December 01, 2008, 11:06:51 AM »
Lloyd Cole has it right and offered the suggestion I was thinking of - The Engineer: The Life and Golf Courses of Seth Raynor. 

It should be simple and not overwrought. I don't really understand a lot of the responses being offered.
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Jason Topp

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« Reply #54 on: December 01, 2008, 11:37:20 AM »
One of my favorite resources on this site is the Feature Interview describing all of the template holes.  Such holes are so widespread, not only on Raynor courses, but elsewhere that I would try and work that concept into the title. 

I would also try and juxtapose the geometric idea of templates against the general success of more naturalness in golf course design.  Something like:


"Engineering Templates in the Wilderness"
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Joe Hancock

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« Reply #55 on: December 01, 2008, 11:49:30 AM »
"What is a Seth Raynor and Why Golfers Should Care"
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Kalen Braley

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« Reply #56 on: December 01, 2008, 12:55:27 PM »
How about a little more common man....

"Seth Raynor 101"
"Seth Raynor for Dummies"
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Jim Thompson

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« Reply #57 on: December 01, 2008, 01:01:56 PM »
The Euclid of Golf
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Kalen Braley

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« Reply #58 on: December 01, 2008, 01:03:04 PM »
"Seth Raynor: If you build it..."
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Garland Bayley

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« Reply #59 on: December 01, 2008, 01:17:44 PM »
Seth Raynor, Golf Architect - Building the Tried and True
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Jon Spaulding

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« Reply #60 on: December 01, 2008, 03:50:44 PM »
"Revenge of the Nerds 5 - Booger, Raynor, and Ogre"

"Seth Raynor - an inspiration to GCA nerds everywhere"
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Kalen Braley

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« Reply #61 on: December 01, 2008, 03:56:35 PM »
"Seth Raynor - The Man, The Legend"
"Seth Raynor - He was indeed your Fathers Architect"
"Seth Raynor - Architect Extrodinaire"
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Garland Bayley

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« Reply #62 on: December 01, 2008, 04:01:23 PM »
Seth Raynor - Building Golf Architectural Patterns
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Tom Naccarato

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« Reply #63 on: December 01, 2008, 04:14:54 PM »
"Seth Raynor Porked Me" by Lindsey Lohan
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #64 on: December 01, 2008, 04:19:58 PM »
"Seth Raynor - 'Outside of the box' design"
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Lester George

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« Reply #65 on: December 01, 2008, 05:53:21 PM »
"Gone Too Soon-The Life and Works of Seth Raynor"

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Tom Naccarato

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« Reply #66 on: December 01, 2008, 06:53:11 PM »
The Life and Good Times of Seth Raynor: The Man, The Myth, The Transvestite....
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TEPaul

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« Reply #67 on: December 01, 2008, 07:19:11 PM »
GeorgeB:

This title is a bit long but if the print is small enough it could fill up the cover and I feel it is incredibly appropriate:

                                                    SETH RAYNOR
                              The Southampton, Long Island, Surveyor/Engineer
                               Who Took the Glorious and Burgeoning Naturalistic
                               Direction in Early American Golf Course Architecture
                                  Out to the Proverbial Woodshed and Beat the
                                                Everlasting Piss out of It
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Charlie Goerges

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« Reply #68 on: December 01, 2008, 07:22:43 PM »
Seth Rex

Seth and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

The Hitchhiker's Guide to Seth
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Joe Hancock

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #69 on: December 01, 2008, 08:49:51 PM »
Quote from: TEPaul on December 01, 2008, 07:19:11 PM
GeorgeB:

This title is a bit long but if the print is small enough it could fill up the cover and I feel it is incredibly appropriate:

                                                    SETH RAYNOR
                              The Southampton, Long Island, Surveyor/Engineer
                               Who Took the Glorious and Burgeoning Naturalistic
                               Direction in Early American Golf Course Architecture
                                  Out to the Proverbial Woodshed and Beat the
                                                Everlasting Piss out of It

Just when the Emperor was coming on strong, you go and hit a home run.

Joe
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"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Mike_Cirba

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« Reply #70 on: December 01, 2008, 09:49:42 PM »
Seth does Shoreacres

Behind the Green Template

Deep Thraps

A Taste of Seth

Insethable
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Tom Naccarato

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« Reply #71 on: December 01, 2008, 10:11:47 PM »
Sloped Universe--The Unabridged Seth Raynor

*Everything you didn't want too know about Rayner and didn't want to ask

Best Known Pneumonia Remedies by Seth Raynor





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ANTHONYPIOPPI

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« Reply #72 on: December 01, 2008, 10:13:26 PM »
I've got it!



To the Nines.




Anthony


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RSLivingston_III

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #73 on: December 01, 2008, 10:16:44 PM »
How about just simply

Seth Raynor


This will be the first and definitive work about him. Let those that follow add subtitles.
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Mike_Cirba

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« Reply #74 on: December 01, 2008, 10:27:26 PM »
I guess "Rayn Man" is sort of taken.   :-\
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