[Kenny Baer]

I found this article an excellent read.  From the sounds of it Tiger may become great at his second job, he certainly says all the right things.   

http://www.linksmagazine.com/best_of_golf/features/tiger_woods_golf_course_design_cliffs_at_high_carolina.aspx

[Mike Nuzzo]

A lot of people have learned what to say.
Almost everyone says the same thing today.

I'm curious how he will do this:

"Woods anticipates a course that will not only be challenging for himself, but will also be friendly enough for members and property owners."


I don't think the routing is inspiring.

[Kenny Baer]

I just looked at the routing in detail and I agree with you, from the drawing it looks like there is a stream that meanders throughout the property that virtually never comes into play; I would guess there is a reason for that.

[Jack Davis]

Is it just me or are 11 out of 18 greens oriented nearly identical to the golfer? Even the first five holes are set up for a draw shot into the green. Obviously the finish product isn't ready but from the routing this course looks fairly standard and uninspired. I don't see a single cross bunker or hazard. With its location I'm sure the design team is heavily relying on elevation changes, scenic views, and the pull of Tiger fans around the world. What do you guys see from this routing?

[Jeff_Mingay]

Gentlemen,

With all due respect, it's VERY difficult to judge the design based on the rendering posted at LINKS' web site. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions here.

[Chip Gaskins]

Murifield Village lite?

[BigEdSC]

Looking at the rendering and taking it with a grain of salt, here is my take and comment.

I would play the course backwards, where you put the tees where the greens are, and the greens where the tees are.  The streams would appear to come into play more.  One big yeah but, is that I don't know the topo of the place.

Now ask me how many golf courses that I've built.

[Sam Morrow]

Gentlemen,

With all due respect, it's VERY difficult to judge the design based on the rendering posted at LINKS' web site. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions here.

Agreed

[Kenny Baer]

I agree as well; I just thought it was an interesting article and that Tiger says all the right things.  I am excited to see the finished product, his project in Mexico looks pretty exciting and the routing there looks awesome; (of course judging a golf course by looking at drawing of where the holes will be might be the dumbest thing I have ever done, minus the time I was marking my ball with a 1/2 eaten chicken sandwich.)

[Eric Smith]

might be the dumbest thing I have ever done, minus the time I was marking my ball with a 1/2 eaten chicken sandwich.)

10-second rule was in effect no doubt!

[Kenny Baer]

W/O question, a great way to improve speed of play.

[John Shimp]

Hasn't been a walkable/walking desired course in the mountains of NC for quite awhile that I am aware of. (Diamond Creek is walkable, but I don't think many walk it?) That's worth something.   

[Matt Varney]

Guys,

Remember who we are talking about on this thread TIger Woods and The Cliffs Communities.  Tiger is making big money on the design fee for this course and it is very heavily marketed by The Cliffs.  I can only imagine the consruction budget and don't forget about some really nice courses in the WNC / Asheville market.

I would bet $1000 this course will be one of the best mountain golf expereinces in the Eastern US when this course is completed.  This is Tiger's first design in the USA it will be under very close observation by all the golf critics during the shaping and construction phases to see the finished result when the grass starts growing.

[John Kavanaugh]

This is Tiger's first design in the USA it will be under very close observation by all the golf critics during the shaping and construction phases to see the finished result when the grass starts growing.

Who are these critics and what difference can they make?

[Matt Varney]

John,

You know exactly who I am talking about with regard tocritics of Tiger's design at High Carolina.  The media, golf writers and golf magazines will be watching throughout the entire process and getting previews of what it to come.  This golf course can't be shitty it has his name all over it and they will blow up a hole and start over if they think it is not quality.

This is big leagues high stakes rolling the dice and some of the best in the business will be involved in this project from start-to-finish to make sure it is quality and promoted as one of the best residential mountain developments in the country.

 

[Bart Bradley]

Matt:

I just don't get it...Money and "some of the best in the business"  is not a guarantee of a great golf course...If only that were true....Does anybody know who Tiger is using as his design team?  I'd sure like to know that before I guaranteed it to be "one of the best residential mountain developments in the country".

Bart

[Mike Mosely]

the article didn't tell me anything.

How are the GREENS?  That's the biggest question.

[John Kavanaugh]

John,

You know exactly who I am talking about with regard tocritics of Tiger's design at High Carolina.  The media, golf writers and golf magazines will be watching throughout the entire process and getting previews of what it to come.  This golf course can't be shitty it has his name all over it and they will blow up a hole and start over if they think it is not quality.

This is big leagues high stakes rolling the dice and some of the best in the business will be involved in this project from start-to-finish to make sure it is quality and promoted as one of the best residential mountain developments in the country.

 

Are you saying that if Ron Whitten, Brad Klein or Joe Passov do not like a hole or feature Tiger will make sure it gets changed.  Which magazine or tabloid will be the first to lead with the headline.."Tiger lays an egg in the Carolinas"...I just don't see it happening no matter what any of the editors or critics think of the design.  Tiger now owns what little may be left for any of the magazines to report.  It would be career suicide to cross him.

[Matt Varney]

Bart,

Think about who manages Tiger business interests?  IMG and who does he represent only some of the best global brands.  You are correct nothing is for sure but, this is one of the most watched golf development projects taking shape in a long long time.

A nice piece of land with a talented design team and deep pockets to pay for it all and then much more if needed goes a damn long way to creating something very special.  Trust me I am in the golf development business and when you have $10m or $20m to spend it makes a huge difference along with attracting some of the best people that can make it all come together.

This will be the frontrunner for Best New Private in all the golf magazines when it is completed.  I would expect nothing less than topshelf from Tiger and just think he knows exactly what Muirfield Village and Bay Hill are like and these are the flagship courses for Jack and Arnie.  His personal reputation as a course designer is on the line and many want to see if he is as good at designing golf courses as he is on the golf course?

I wish him well and hope they create a great golf course.  Do some research and you will learn more about who he is working with on this project for his "design team".

[John Kavanaugh]

I also believe that it is going to be a top rate fantastic course that I would love to play.  I just refuse to give any critics credit for the design. 

[Matt Varney]

John,

You and I both agree it has nothing to do with the critics but, they will be invitied to come see what is being created during the design-build process.  No doubt someone a writer or reporter will make a statement or post an article and Tiger will never field questions from that person ever again.

The critics will not dictate the design or suggest changes to be made to the course when I said they will blow up a hole and start over - I was talking about Tiger and his team on the ground driving the project not the critics or golf writers.  Think about all of Tiger's friends that would buy property and join this club to play the course.  You think all those guys play munis back home they are members at some of the finest clubs in the world.



 

[John Kavanaugh]

No one will ever know if it is a great course or not because we can only know if it suits our own preferences.  Golfweek raters will be turned away at the gate, Digest guys will love the course and Golf Magazine panelists are too involved competing against Tiger to give it all that.  The course will settle in right along side The Alotian for all the same reasons.

I'm curious...How does the start of Tiger's design career correlate to when Bobby Jones got in the business?

[Anthony Gray]

  I don't think this course has ever held a major.

       

[Ed Oden]

Hasn't been a walkable/walking desired course in the mountains of NC for quite awhile that I am aware of. (Diamond Creek is walkable, but I don't think many walk it?) That's worth something.   

John, Diamond Creek is very walkable.  In fact, it is a great walk.  Not really sure why more don't try it.  The back side can be a bit tough on the caddies though.

Ed

[Tommy Williamsen]

Hasn't been a walkable/walking desired course in the mountains of NC for quite awhile that I am aware of. (Diamond Creek is walkable, but I don't think many walk it?) That's worth something.   

John, Diamond Creek is very walkable.  In fact, it is a great walk.  Not really sure why more don't try it.  The back side can be a bit tough on the caddies though.

Ed

I played Diamond Creek and the caddy took a cart while I walked.

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