[Lloyd_Cole]

Melvyn

Re - the Whisky Mack. I've no ideas what circles you move in, but I discovered this drink when I was the bartender at Killermont. Many of the old ruddy faced guys drank it.

Note also - many of the distillery owners were members at Glasgow. All of them were loyal to heir own brand. None of them drank it neat. Most took it 50/50 with tap water. The funniest one was an older gentleman who's name I forget - his son was a big wig at Teachers. So he felt he had to drink it, but he obviously didn't like it as he took it with water and lemonade (Sprite)!

Just as we cannot agree on a correct way to play golf, I'm sure we won't agree on the correct use of Scotch. But my experience leads me to believe that drinking it straight is, at the very least, contrary to the intentions of the distiller.

 

Lloyd

I hope your game is better than your taste in booze, ‘ Whisky Mack’ indeed and 50/50, boy, do you like your drink diluted. If we ever meet I’m not sure whether to shake your hand or kiss you. Whisky Mack  – if you have just ordered that at a Scottish bar make sure that when you visit the restroom you go by yourself, you sweet boy you. Is it the new carters drink?

The secret of a Single Malt is just a dash of water (teaspoon full – no more). 

Melvyn

[Melvyn Morrow]

Lloyd

I am very careful of Glasgow at the best of times, so will add “ruddy faced guys” to my list of those not to meet in a dark alley. However if they drink Whisky Mack I don’t think I need worry about a fight!

As for mixing single malts, always been told the just add a little splash of water to help the oils. That splash is all one needs, surprising how it helps. I don’t like blended whisky, as for Teachers well, I’ll pass every time.

As for golf, well there is only one correct way to play but people around the world have modified it to suit their needs. By all means play with carts, aids, etc., but hitting the booze on the course is just not on. Anyone who does not understand that IMHO should question why they are on a golf course in the first place.

So we can’t agree about golf, pity and you being at Killermont as well.

Melvyn

[Reef Wilson]

  Only one person has acknowledged the real reason people use carts.
That man is MIKE YOUNG. And that is to drink. It is impossible to carry a six pack and a golf bag at the same time. After several drams walking becomes more difficult. How many times do you see a liquored up golfer in Scotland as opposed to one here in the US. Is it truly a round of golf if by the 18th hole you're not trying to sink putts into your playing partners mouth.

     Anthony

 

I was hoping someone would bring this up and I will take it a step further.

At public courses I see a lot of young people that are new to the game who see playing golf and taking a cart this as a chance to legally drive drunk. To them the act of driving the cart all over the place while drinking a bunch of beer is simply fun.

Of course it is exactly these types that are very unlikely to stick with the game and getting stuck behind a group of these players is a nightmare for anyone who really loves the game.

Reef

[John Kavanaugh]

  Only one person has acknowledged the real reason people use carts.
That man is MIKE YOUNG. And that is to drink. It is impossible to carry a six pack and a golf bag at the same time. After several drams walking becomes more difficult. How many times do you see a liquored up golfer in Scotland as opposed to one here in the US. Is it truly a round of golf if by the 18th hole you're not trying to sink putts into your playing partners mouth.

     Anthony

 

I was hoping someone would bring this up and I will take it a step further.

At public courses I see a lot of young people that are new to the game who see playing golf and taking a cart this as a chance to legally drive drunk. To them the act of driving the cart all over the place while drinking a bunch of beer is simply fun.

Of course it is exactly these types that are very unlikely to stick with the game and getting stuck behind a group of these players is a nightmare for anyone who really loves the game.

Reef

Reef,

The guys you bitch about sound exactly like the generation who returned from WWII and built this game to the greatness that seems to be dying with them.  Those boys did love a good time.  We all need to order a VO and Coke or a 7 and 7 in their honor.

[Anthony Gray]

  John,

 If these people do not drink then more hot dogs will be waisted.

         Anthony

[John Kavanaugh]

Locker rooms and their attendants could be eliminated as the only people who I know that do not rent a locker are the walk&carry crowd.  I wonder how many of the W&C's on this site forego the locker charge.  I personally think lockers should be mandatory and only have numbers without names, but that is just me.  Given the nosy nature of guests (unaccompanied) and the current backlash against people of frivolous luxury I predict that all private clubs will eliminate names from lockers to protect their members.

[Brent Hutto]

FWIW...

I walk and carry, always.

I rent a locker.

Our lockers do not have names, only numbers.

But I do get dressed for golf, including my shoes, before leaving home in the morning.

The locker is mostly to keep a jacket and hat for bad weather and to store my toothbrush so I can brush my teeth between breakfast and golf. Oh and a pair of clean slacks in case I get egged-on into trying to wedge a ball out of a water hazard.

[John Kavanaugh]

It is careless to drive while wearing golf shoes.  If you were in a wreck causing a fatality you should do time for reckless homicide.  You have no defense.

[Anthony Gray]

It is careless to drive while wearing golf shoes.  If you were in a wreck causing a fatality you should do time for reckless homicide.  You have no defense.

  See John Daley was correct.

  Anthony

[John Kavanaugh]

FWIW...

I walk and carry, always.

I rent a locker.

Our lockers do not have names, only numbers.

But I do get dressed for golf, including my shoes, before leaving home in the morning.

The locker is mostly to keep a jacket and hat for bad weather and to store my toothbrush so I can brush my teeth between breakfast and golf. Oh and a pair of clean slacks in case I get egged-on into trying to wedge a ball out of a water hazard.

Note:  Push carts is not W&C.  It is W&PC which doesn't even look right.

[D_Malley]

90% of people who walk and carry or use a push cart do so because they are cheap.

coudn't this statement be turned around at a course which has a caddy program, but using a caddy is optional.  the cheap ones are the riders in this scenario.

[John Kavanaugh]

90% of people who walk and carry or use a push cart do so because they are cheap.

coudn't this statement be turned around at a course which has a caddy program, but using a caddy is optional.  the cheap ones are the riders in this scenario.

That is very true.  If caddies only cost the same as a cart I would take a caddie every time.  Many of my friends have said the same thing.

[Matt_Ward]

To reamplify what's been said by a few people -- when you mix 90+ temps with sultry and high humidity the likelihood people will walk is doubtful. The cart allows golf to be a functional link. No cart = no play that day.

Anyone who has been in the southeast can attest to that -- ditto other areas of the USA where the temps / humdiity can be a major factor.

I don't doubt the sincerity of walkers -- I'm one whenever the facility permits it -- but the cart has kept players in the game. Pull out all carts and even with the inclusion of pull carts / trolleys, you'd still have a major exodus in my mind.

One final item -- the idea that 'classic' courses from yesteryear with greens and tees in close proximity to one another are walker havens is not accurate. From my perch in North Jersey I see nearly all the top tier private clubs rely heavily on cart usage for their botton line. Possibly, more of a campaign can be done to get more people to walk but if any club senses a potential drop in revenue I doubt seriously it would be promoted that heavily.

[John Kavanaugh]

W&C's and W&PC's should be charged 40% of the cost of a cart as a trail fee.  It makes zero sense for a golfer to be able to play at no additional cost above dues.

[Brent Hutto]

John,

If I had to pay the same as cart rider or if I had to pay double what cart riders pay that would not affect my choice to walk in the least. If the total cost of playing were too much I would not play. Otherwise I walk. It's not a choice, it's not a decision, it's not an economic contingency. It's simply how I play golf. I say now and have always said that the course or club needs to decide how much they want me to pay and I'll either pay it or not play. But they can keep the cart...or give it to someone who needs it.

And BTW I haven't used my pushcart in quite some time. I've only been playing golf 2-3 times a month and therefore don't bother to carry more than 7-8 clubs in a mini-bag.

And you're imagining things if you think driving with my golf shoes is hazardous. If so it's nowhere near as much as someone driving barefoot, with flip-flops or women in 5" heels. These aren't steel spikes we're talking about.

[Kyle Harris]

Lloyd

I hope your game is better than your taste in booze, ‘ Whisky Mack’ indeed and 50/50, boy, do you like your drink diluted. If we ever meet I’m not sure whether to shake your hand or kiss you. Whisky Mack  – if you have just ordered that at a Scottish bar make sure that when you visit the restroom you go by yourself, you sweet boy you. Is it the new carters drink?

The secret of a Single Malt is just a dash of water (teaspoon full – no more). 

Melvyn

Geez Melvyn, I'm surprised.

I would NEVER cut my Macallan with anything. 

[JMEvensky]

W&C's and W&PC's should be charged 40% of the cost of a cart as a trail fee.  It makes zero sense for a golfer to be able to play at no additional cost above dues.

This,I think,gets to heart of why golf carts are important and will remain a permanent fact of private club life.

At my place,we allow walking anytime with no trail fee.This was done at my urging.We tried to the right thing by "golfers"(walking should be encouraged, IMO) but this was at the expense of the other members who,for whatever reason,choose to ride.

Our club's entire budget model is based on $X golf cart revenue.When it's all toted up,the riders subsidize the walkers to some extent.

As far as private clubs are concerned,I'd imagine that only the very highest percentile could survive without cart revenue.I can't imagine a set of circumstances that would alter this.

[Kyle Harris]

W&C's and W&PC's should be charged 40% of the cost of a cart as a trail fee.  It makes zero sense for a golfer to be able to play at no additional cost above dues.

Aren't those called Green Fees?

[Eric_Terhorst]

W&C's and W&PC's should be charged 40% of the cost of a cart as a trail fee.  It makes zero sense for a golfer to be able to play at no additional cost above dues.

John,

Here're some other ideas:
1) All those who piss in the woods instead of using the clubhouse urinals (thereby raising maintenance and sewer utility costs for ALL members) should get a 1% discount on dues.  

2) Guys who only drink beer should get reimbursed their portion of the liquor inventory carrying cost.  Why should they pay for the cost of the Cointreau that sits on the shelf year after year?

3) Atheists shouldn't be obligated to contribute to the employee Christmas fund.

4) Members who don't use carts must never be assessed for maintenance of the cart paths--put it in the bylaws.  And they should get a credit for the recurring costs of running and maintaining the carts.  

5) Members whose wives don't use the club should never be assessed for improvements to the Ladies' locker room.  Why should they pay for those goddam comfy chairs in there?

6)  You're fertilizing the magnolia trees?  I HATE trees and flowers on the golf course--I'm not paying for that!

7) If there are 200 members, please credit my account for 1/200 of the cost of playing cards, because I don't play cards....

As you like to say, "I can't believe I give this stuff away"

[Anthony Gray]

  Eric,

  I would like to extend to you an invitation to join my club.

    Anthony

[Michael Whitaker]

"Whitty",

Do you have a feel for the general acceptance of pull carts, electric or manual, in South Carolina?  At my former home club in north Texas, hardly upscale, the manager said that they would never be accepted because they give the place a muni look and feel.  I am glad to hear that a more upscale club like Lakewood now allows pull carts.

Lou - "Pull" carts have always been frowned upon by the private clubs in SC because of the ill-charged "muni" look.

But, with the advent of the new EXPENSIVE push carts and electric trolleys there is a new take: many clubs now have a rental program for the upscale pushcarts or electronic trolleys... to offset their loss of riding cart revenue. There are several top clubs that will not allow you to bring your own electronic trolley, but you can rent one from the club!

This just confirms that riding carts are such a primary source of revenue for most clubs that they simply can't do with out it.

[John Kavanaugh]

The three wheeled push cart is so efficient that it makes people who use electric push carts look like pretentious little bitches on parade.  I love the look of pride they have on their faces as they proudly walk behind their cart knowing their clubs are safely being transported without nary lifting a finger.  It gives me a feeling on contentment knowing they will soon pop a hernia lifting that over weighted dinosaur into their Buick.

[Michael Whitaker]

We are talking about golf, a game which from the start required walking.

Melvyn - With all due respect... the only reason golf was a walking game "from the start" is because there was nothing available with wheels available to roll the players around the bumpy links ground.  

It didn't take the players long to figure out they could pay someone to carry their clubs for them so they wouldn't have to haul their sticks around the course themselves.

Most people are lazy. They are always going to find the easiest way to do a thing.

[John Kavanaugh]

These guys have cart and a six pack written all over them.  When did the Moors invade Scotland?

[JESII]

'bout 1825 or 1830...

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