[Bill Shamleffer]

I am a very loyal Missouri fan, so I am of course fine with Missouri being in the Big 12 Championship game, while a couple of very worthy teams from the South division will not be there.  That is the whole concept of divisions & division championships.  The rules are pre-set, every team knows who they need to beat to get to the next level.  Missouri knew they had to win the Big XII North and they did, and now they get to play in the Big XII Championship.  Of course the Big XII South this year is exceptionally talented, but things could change the other way in the future.

Nevertheless even I have to admit, if there are no surprising upsets this coming week, it would be incredible, if the Big XII championship were to instead be played by the top 2 ranked teams from the conference.  Then we would have an unintended & unofficial four team BCS playoff.  The SEC Championship & the Big XII Championship, each played on 12/6, would be become each must TV games for all college football fans.

[Jason Hines]

The NCAA will get the message if everyone would quit going to the bowl games.  The college football fan has the power to change to a playoff system if they can resist the bowl temptation.  Just get drunk at home in front of the TV for the bowl game instead, it is much cheaper than traveling to Shreveport to get plowed.

[Mike Benham]

... you not only must beat an opponent but you are encouraged to humiliate them to impress the computer.
 

I believe that the computer rankings do not take into consideration the margin of victory, they tweaked that a year or so ago.

However, the human voters are influenced by many many factors ...

[Tom Huckaby]

They tweaked that yes, then when the computers gave less than satisfactory results, they re-tweaked it to put more weight on the human votes.  So Kelly's points are all valid to me.  I am no fan of either team, but to me it was somewhat sickening watching OU continue to pass, with all their starters in, with a 40+ point 2nd half lead.

BTW, is Notre Dame gonna join the Ivy League?

 

[Michael Moore]

Tom -

No need to piss on the Ivy League, where football is played at an extremely high level. I should know, as I have been to one and a half games over the past twenty years.

All hail conference champion Brown University. See how boring it is to read about college football?

[Tom Huckaby]

Michael - you're right, that was an insult to the Ivy League.  My apologies.

All hail Brown!

[JLahrman]

The NCAA will get the message if everyone would quit going to the bowl games.  The college football fan has the power to change to a playoff system if they can resist the bowl temptation.  Just get drunk at home in front of the TV for the bowl game instead, it is much cheaper than traveling to Shreveport to get plowed.

This would be a step in the right direction, and attendance at bowls is generally low.  What it would really take is for a renegade coach/AD to decline his team's invitation to a BCS game.  Better yet, all the coaches in a conference boycott.  The ACC team this year for instance.  It might cost people their jobs but it would set things in motion at least.  Far fetched I know, but there is no logical defense for this ridiculous bowl system.

[hick]

Harvard and Brown are co champs this year. As a house that is split with Harvard and Brown grads its wait till next year.

[jeffwarne]

The NCAA will get the message if everyone would quit going to the bowl games.  The college football fan has the power to change to a playoff system if they can resist the bowl temptation.  Just get drunk at home in front of the TV for the bowl game instead, it is much cheaper than traveling to Shreveport to get plowed.

This would be a step in the right direction, and attendance at bowls is generally low.  What it would really take is for a renegade coach/AD to decline his team's invitation to a BCS game.  Better yet, all the coaches in a conference boycott.  The ACC team this year for instance.  It might cost people their jobs but it would set things in motion at least.  Far fetched I know, but there is no logical defense for this ridiculous bowl system.

If an ACC team boycotted their BCS bowl game would anyone notice?

[Kalen Braley]

Tom,

That is indeed a insult to the Ivy League.

Its curiosuly quiet though from all those trash talking dome heads who said last year that this would be Weis big breakout.  Well I think there will be some breaking out, namely ND from under his hefty contract.  Hell any sane arbitoror can see that ND got the short end of the stick on that one.

I am curious to hear what the excuse is this year from the ND homers?  Its all Weis's team now...no Ty boys left unless they're 5th year seniors if my math is correct. 

Jeff,

Can the ACC be any worse.  Hell the MWC has three teams all ranked higher than thier best team.  Furthermore The Big 10 hasn't looked this bad in decades, and while USC is legit, the rest of the conference is pretty pathetic.  Hell the MWC wiped the plate with Pac-10 teams this year in non-con games.

[Tom Huckaby]

Kalen:

We both know that the chief Notre Dame supporter only participates in OT threads in which either our national good name is bloodied or the issues are to him of such importance as to merit non-golf architecture talk; so therefore don't expect him on this thread for any reason other than to berate those of us ruining the site by particpating in it.

But as I said last year to said supporter, I remain VERY glad that there are many like him who think Weis is doing a great job and call for him to be retained.  I think I'd greatly enjoy five more years of ND sucking.

TH

[Kalen Braley]

Tom you are an evil one aren't you....

....but alas your right.  Perhaps I should start a new thread titled "101 things that every new committee member should know" to lure him out of his cave.

Then I can pull the double switch and post something wonderful about Weis and the Golden Domers having yet another fantastic year. 

I agree Weis should stay, although its not because I care if Weis does well or not.  It based fround finally getting something decent to watch on NBC Saturdays instead of all those lame ND games....   

[JLahrman]

I'm all for Notre Dame going to bowls.  Bowl games are independent enterprises that schedule exhibition football games in the hopes of making money.  What the record of the teams has to do with it is beyond me - if a winless team can draw revenue, more power to them.  I think the standards should be lowered, I don't know why we require six wins.  Michigan would draw more people to the Orange Bowl than Maryland will.

[Kyle Harris]

I'm all for Notre Dame going to bowls.  Bowl games are independent enterprises that schedule exhibition football games in the hopes of making money.  What the record of the teams has to do with it is beyond me - if a winless team can draw revenue, more power to them.  I think the standards should be lowered, I don't know why we require six wins.  Michigan would draw more people to the Orange Bowl than Maryland will.

Yeah, but this year - Maryland earned the payout.

[jeffwarne]

Tom,

That is indeed a insult to the Ivy League.

Its curiosuly quiet though from all those trash talking dome heads who said last year that this would be Weis big breakout.  Well I think there will be some breaking out, namely ND from under his hefty contract.  Hell any sane arbitoror can see that ND got the short end of the stick on that one.

I am curious to hear what the excuse is this year from the ND homers?  Its all Weis's team now...no Ty boys left unless they're 5th year seniors if my math is correct. 

Jeff,

Can the ACC be any worse.  Hell the MWC has three teams all ranked higher than thier best team.  Furthermore The Big 10 hasn't looked this bad in decades, and while USC is legit, the rest of the conference is pretty pathetic.  Hell the MWC wiped the plate with Pac-10 teams this year in non-con games.

Kevin,
I'm going to eat my words if Georgia Tech beats my 'Dogs this weekend(the best 2 loss team in the country-losses to #1 and #3)
But then I have to admit the SWC has looked awful good this year.

I look forward to nothing crazy happening in the SWC Championship game and Texas (I guess that's what the coin flip BCS sytem decided) playing either Florida or Alabama in an almost real National Championship game.
In fact I'd rather see Alabama beat Florida since Florida is also a one loss team and Texas appears to be the second best one loss team.
A true #1 vs. an argueable but solid #2

[Tom Huckaby]

Jeff:

SWC?  You're dating yourself there, son.  But I do like the old reference.  That was a great, great league.

And I can see a true #1 in the BCS champ game - that occurs if AL wins out.  Hard to argue with them then.  But I can't see a scenario that gives us an inarguable #2.  Whoever wins out in the Big 12 is a darn fine candidate for sure, but the other one-loss teams - and heck perhaps even undefeated Utah - at least will have an argument.  But you're right, the closest thing to it would be if TX wins out and does so in very strong fashion.

I'm kinda rooting for more BCA chaos though - the more we have of that, the more likely it is to end... isn't it?

TH

[Kalen Braley]

Jeff,

I have to agree with Tom on this one.  While its true than if Alabama wins out they belong but who gets to play them?

Texas, OU, So Cal, Utah, Texas Tech, Penn State will all have solid arguements that they belong there.  Heck even Boise State and Ball State with thier undefeated season...altough not a legit one in my mind.

Go to a 8 team playoff, and all this is avoided except for a few grumblings each year on teams in that 9 and 10 spot who get to go bowling instead.  I'm with Tom on chaos as well.  I hope Florida beats Alabama and Mizzu pulls off the upset in Big 12 championship so we have a massive mess on our hands instead of the normal-size BCS mess we have now.

[Tom Huckaby]

Well, we have the same discussions this time every year.  I have given up believing I will see a playoff in my lifetime.  Still BCS chaos would seem to be the way to make it happen.

Jeff - forgot to mention also - I typically have no dog in the SEC fights and have nothing but respect for your Dogs, Berhardt's Tigers, Hendren's Vols... but at least for today you and I be enemies.  Check who your hoops team is playing in a few hours.

Tom Huckaby
Santa Clara University '85

[Tim Taylor]

I hope the Ducks beat the Beavers so the Nittany Lions meet the Trojans in the Rose Bowl. That would be a helluva game. A PSU-OSU rematch would be pretty dull.

Shit gets real f-ed up if Florida beats 'Bama and Mizzou beats whoever. What a major fustercluck that will be. You could end up in a situation where one of the Big 12 South teams that doesn't make the Big 12 championship game leapfrogs the team that did.

In the situation above, I guess the Gators would leap to #1 but the rest of the top five becomes a nightmare.

Tim

[Jim Franklin]

The ACC may be bad, but Maryland smoked a "good" California team earlier. I think Georgia Tech beats Georgia this weekend. But they better paly like they did against my boys. That was ugly.

[Tom Huckaby]

You got it, Tim - that's the chaos that I tend to root for....

As for my Trojans (yes I remain a USC football fan, have been all my life, Santa Clara doesn't have football), outside of rooting for chaos losses that get them to the BCS title game, it's interesting in that I don't really know what to root for.  Of course the logical thing is we do want to win the league, and take the Rose Bowl battle that goes with it - and USC hasn't played Penn State in a very long time so that would be fun to watch - but on the other hand, well... no offense to Kyle Harris... but I think if the Beavers win, USC gets a better opponent in another BCS bowl - whichever Big 12 one-loss team doesn't go to BCS title game.  I'm thinking a revenge game against Texas would be very sweet.  And I have to believe the nation would be interested in that...  as uninterested as the world outside of State College, PA and Corvallis, OR would be in an Ore State - Penn State rematch Rose Bowl...


TH

[Kalen Braley]

The ACC may be bad, but Maryland smoked a "good" California team earlier. I think Georgia Tech beats Georgia this weekend. But they better paly like they did against my boys. That was ugly.

Jim,

Normally that would mean something, but the "lowly" Mountain West Conference also smoked the PAC-10 in non-con games this year too.  Its a one trick pony league this year and the reason why we don't know how good USC really is.

[Kyle Harris]

You got it, Tim - that's the chaos that I tend to root for....

As for my Trojans (yes I remain a USC football fan, have been all my life, Santa Clara doesn't have football), outside of rooting for chaos losses that get them to the BCS title game, it's interesting in that I don't really know what to root for.  Of course the logical thing is we do want to win the league, and take the Rose Bowl battle that goes with it - and USC hasn't played Penn State in a very long time so that would be fun to watch - but on the other hand, well... no offense to Kyle Harris... but I think if the Beavers win, USC gets a better opponent in another BCS bowl - whichever Big 12 one-loss team doesn't go to BCS title game.  I'm thinking a revenge game against Texas would be very sweet.  And I have to believe the nation would be interested in that...  as uninterested as the world outside of State College, PA and Corvallis, OR would be in an Ore State - Penn State rematch Rose Bowl...


TH

I don't think many people within State College, PA would be interested in that rematch - sadly.

Methinks you're underestimating the potential Rose Bowl opponent a little bit. Actually, a lotta bit - but I like it that way. 

[Jim Franklin]

You got it, Tim - that's the chaos that I tend to root for....

As for my Trojans (yes I remain a USC football fan, have been all my life, Santa Clara doesn't have football), outside of rooting for chaos losses that get them to the BCS title game, it's interesting in that I don't really know what to root for.  Of course the logical thing is we do want to win the league, and take the Rose Bowl battle that goes with it - and USC hasn't played Penn State in a very long time so that would be fun to watch - but on the other hand, well... no offense to Kyle Harris... but I think if the Beavers win, USC gets a better opponent in another BCS bowl - whichever Big 12 one-loss team doesn't go to BCS title game.  I'm thinking a revenge game against Texas would be very sweet.  And I have to believe the nation would be interested in that...  as uninterested as the world outside of State College, PA and Corvallis, OR would be in an Ore State - Penn State rematch Rose Bowl...


TH

USC would get Utah the way the pecking order goes so no Texas or Oklahomo for you. And don't underestimate PSU with a month to prepare. My team did in '86.

[Kalen Braley]

Kyle,

I would 2nd that notion...USC/Penn State would be a horrible blow-out snoozer in favor of USC...the Big 10 really is that bad.

Utah would probably get beat by USC too, but at least Utah would make a game of it.

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