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Ian_L

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As an architect, whom do you care about most?
« on: October 20, 2008, 04:26:20 AM »
Would you, for example, scrap a hole because the 0.1% of golfers who can carry the ball 300 yards would have it too easy, carrying all your hazards?
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Anthony Gray

Re: As an architect, whom do you care about most?
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2008, 08:52:38 AM »


   Ian....Build them for fun. Let the long hitters have their day to. Don't scrap it. I can't hit it that far but it is still enjoyable watching someone in the foursome doing it.


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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: As an architect, whom do you care about most?
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2008, 09:00:04 AM »
I wouldn't scrap that hole.  I might add small mounds or pot bunker out there on a few holes to keep those guys interested, but its not justifiable to design for, or add too many hazards for, those 0.01%

As far as I can tell, most gca's still use 850-900' for their back tee turning points.  The average drive on the PGA tour is still about 290 and on the senior tour, its less. On the Nationwide Tour its more.  So, what distance do you plan for on a course that will likely never see those guys show up?  Probably using the senior tour distances for design would replicate good club players in most cases, no?
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Mike Nuzzo

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Re: As an architect, whom do you care about most?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2008, 09:31:10 AM »
I care most about the player who wants to have fun.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: As an architect, whom do you care about most?
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2008, 10:07:55 AM »
Mike,

Isn't the correct answer "my wife and kids?"
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Jason Topp

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Re: As an architect, whom do you care about most?
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2008, 10:25:22 AM »
Quote from: Jeff_Brauer on October 20, 2008, 09:00:04 AM
As far as I can tell, most gca's still use 850-900' for their back tee turning points.  The average drive on the PGA tour is still about 290 and on the senior tour, its less. On the Nationwide Tour its more.  So, what distance do you plan for on a course that will likely never see those guys show up?  Probably using the senior tour distances for design would replicate good club players in most cases, no?

Jeff:

Does it make sense to have specific turning points?  Among 10 handicaps I see people who can hit it 280 and others that hit it 190 off the tee.  If the course gets any wind, driving distance can be further impacted by 40 yards or more.

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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: As an architect, whom do you care about most?
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2008, 10:35:38 AM »
Jason,

For staking out the course, its required.  You are correct though, that hazard placement can't just go off those points without considering wind, uphill/downhill, etc.  And, those TP's are from the back tees.  With multiple tees, we can bring the hazards into play for a "typical" level of player.  I have seen some USGA stats, and while driving distance is spread across the board, its amazing how they cluster around 260, 230, 190 and 145. 

I design the centerlines from the back (290 Tees) tees just to make sure I have the real estate for the hole and place the other tee points based on those driving distances, and of course, site conditions.
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