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John Kavanaugh

Without even naming names if you wish, please post what you consider to be an original thought pertaining to golf course architecture you have read or created on this site.  I'm curious if original thought is as rare as I believe it to be.

Chip Gaskins

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2008, 07:26:25 PM »
It takes water to make rainbows.
by Gillette Silver

John Kavanaugh

Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2008, 07:30:12 PM »
It takes water to make rainbows.
by Gillette Silver

I would recommend every greens chairman to say the above to a potential superintendent during an interview and gauge his response. 

Bill_McBride

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2008, 07:39:03 PM »
It takes water to make rainbows.
by Gillette Silver

I would recommend every greens chairman to say the above to a potential superintendent during an interview and gauge his response. 

There's one answer in Houston with 24" of rain in a day, and another in Atlanta with no rain in two years.

John Kavanaugh

Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2008, 08:15:43 PM »
Bill,

Why ask a question with only one answer when interviewing someone for a job that always has multiple solutions to any one problem?

paul cowley

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2008, 08:21:35 PM »
I like Women's more than Golf's.............'s
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Chris_Clouser

Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2008, 08:25:35 PM »
I'm not sure about my contribution, but I can think of two others that I had not really heard articulated as well until I read them here.

Tom Paul and the explanation of Maintenance Meld.
Shivas and the Cheater Line.

Don't know if they can take credit for them or not, but they were the first I heard them from.

Perhaps my one would be the explanation about Maxwell being a template architect following in the mold of Macdonald.

JMorgan

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2008, 08:35:13 PM »
I like Women's more than Golf's.............'s

whichone'swhat's, huh?

Sean Leary

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2008, 08:38:08 PM »
John Kirk's time theory.

paul cowley

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2008, 08:46:08 PM »
I like Women's more than Golf's.............'s

whichone'swhat's, huh?

I know....not a hole lot of mystery here.

cabo could b cool!
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Bill_McBride

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2008, 08:47:08 PM »
Bill,

Why ask a question with only one answer when interviewing someone for a job that always has multiple solutions to any one problem?

Perhaps "context" would have been a more precise word than "answer."  The point was that there are many questions/situations and many answers/responses.


paul cowley

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2008, 08:53:49 PM »
poop
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

paul cowley

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2008, 08:55:24 PM »
missipoopissippi
« Last Edit: October 01, 2008, 08:31:37 AM by paul cowley »
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JMorgan

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2008, 09:03:50 PM »
I like Women's more than Golf's.............'s

whichone'swhat's, huh?

I know....not a hole lot of mystery here.

cabo could b cool!
ping
« Last Edit: October 01, 2008, 06:04:39 AM by JMorgan »

paul cowley

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2008, 09:13:17 PM »
 :)

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Chip Gaskins

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2008, 09:18:03 PM »
orginal thoughts FOR ME:

John K Moore or Mike Hernden: "people don't go from somewhere to nowhere, they go from somewhere to somewhere" when talking about destination golf clubs.

David Schmidt: lines on golf balls are cheating

Dick Daley: don't throw your hard earned money into a golf course development

Tom Huckaby: always be nice.

Tom Doak: grass will grow in pure beach sand, even with out chicken poop

Ben Dewar: no matter how facetious you are trying to be, never say a course is going out of business

Numerous: it is hard to grow grass for firm and fast conditions between Richmond and Philly

Pat Mucci: benevolent dictator is the only model to use to protect an old great course

Numerous: green approaches need to play similar speeds as the greens or things become problematic

Everyone: if you can't back it up, don't type it ;D

more to come...lots learned from you geeks


RJ_Daley

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2008, 12:38:04 AM »
Tim Weiman - "people want to play more, not pay more".
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2008, 12:38:43 AM »
Pete Dye - "yup"  "nope"
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

Dan Herrmann

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2008, 12:49:48 PM »
John K - I think the appreciation of 'minalism' which may have started here has spread to the mainstream.    Perhaps this has help spread the Doak/C&C/Hanse/etc gospel.

Sean_A

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2008, 06:20:56 PM »
Having played in the UK going on 20 years now and reading quite a bit about British golf I instinctively knew about maintenance meld and hence the time it takes for a shot to play out - though I never gave the time aspect of it much thought. 

The one thing which I truly grasped while on this site - even though it isn't original - is the idea of fairway width creating options rather than merely being easier on the handicap. 

The other thing which I really got a grip of while on this site and has fascinated me is grade level architecture.  My appreciation for this style has grown immensely in the past 4 years.  I never gave it much thought before.  I must say that this has also led me to my current dubious feelings on the use (or should I say misuse) of bunkers.  The two go hand in hand to me and I will forever think these guys who used natural hazards so well were clever blokes.  We need more like them today.

Ciao
New plays planned for 2024: Nothing

JMorgan

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2008, 06:29:04 PM »
Using sticky white rice or cocaine instead of sand to push angle of repose limits in bunkers ... truly original thoughts that could come from nowhere else but here.

Kalen Braley

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2008, 06:51:00 PM »
More supposedly original thoughts..


paul cowley

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2008, 09:12:05 PM »
Using sticky white rice or cocaine instead of sand to push angle of repose limits in bunkers ... truly original thoughts that could come from nowhere else but here.


JM....that's interesting enough [at least for us], that I did an experiment.

I used Mahatma Jasmine rice and guessed the angle of rice repose to be in the mid 20 degree range.

I then substituted flour for cocaine and found that it has a steeper angle.....which translates into a reduced volume  vs rice.

Of course one must compare the raw cost of both materials against the the quantity needed to be able to make a true budget comparison.....I can readily find a wholesale cost for flour, but I'm not sure what coke costs when bought in volume.

Maybe some of our GCAers can help.



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Phil McDade

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Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2008, 10:33:25 PM »
I don't recall whether Tom Doak said this here or elsewhere, but it goes like this, and has always struck me as an interesting thought:

Everything in golf architecture is either a direct copy/reflection of The Old Course, or a reaction against it.


Thomas MacWood

Re: Original architectural thoughts first posted on Golf Club Atlas.
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2008, 09:20:22 AM »
February 1, 2002


"If god had meant golfers to think they would have been born with brains." ~~Curious JJ

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