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Marty Bonnar

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Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« on: September 04, 2008, 02:52:17 PM »
What a phenomenal opportunity.

http://www.nplestates.com/LandOwnership/AyrshireArdeer/ArdeerInteractiveMap/tabid/129/Default.aspx

A damaged landscape in an incredible location with enormous potential.

I would give my eye teeth to work on this site. What fun could be had playing with the landscape character and language of the existing landforms. Imagine getting the chance to create a great golf course in this neighbourhood. Almost as good an opportunity as The Castle ;D

If I can't have the job, I Vote for Paul Cowley...

FBD.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2008, 04:14:28 PM »
Martin:

Do you have any idea who is going to develop the golf part of the operation?  And what the deal would be for the potential developer?
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2008, 06:08:22 PM »
Quote from: Martin Glynn Bonnar on September 04, 2008, 02:52:17 PM

If I can't have the job, I Vote for Paul Cowley...

FBD.

OR, Tom Doak, of course... ;D ;)

Tom,
only just been announced in today's news. Fairly well-known brownfield site in the Scottish, ehm, 'Portfolio'. Was a grotty 'explosives' complex for years on a tremendous site on the Ayrshire coast. You know only too well it's near neighbours!

The developers are beginning with a ten-year dev plan with housing, commercial and light industrial uses for the first tranche. The leisure elements are intended to complement and enhance the job creation and economic revival stuff.

Could be really brilliant. Drop them a line if you're interested. We could do with a Doak on the West side ;)

Have you checked out that West Lothian site recently? Really innovative use of the old colliery spoil for their sub-soil mix. Seems to be almost ideal as a medium with good drainage capabilities and surprisingly neutral pH after 'washing/mixing'. Quite surprising given the nature of the original mess!

cheers,
MB.
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Mark Bourgeois

Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2008, 06:53:29 PM »
Holy smokes, they actually have a golf course right on that peninsula as part of their master plan.

Brownfield history erases enviro concerns, town all in favor of anything that creates jobs, great site -- okay, what's the catch?

Here's a pic off NPL Estates's website:


Mark
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2008, 08:45:53 PM »
There is a golf course on the photo called Irvine Golf Course.   Whats its story?
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Jason McNamara

Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2008, 09:23:00 PM »
Quote from: Joel_Stewart on September 04, 2008, 08:45:53 PM
There is a golf course on the photo called Irvine Golf Course.   Whats its story?

Open qualifying site, 1 par 5 & 2  par 3s.
http://www.theirvinegolfclub.co.uk/
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Phil McDade

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2008, 09:23:47 PM »
Quote from: Joel_Stewart on September 04, 2008, 08:45:53 PM
There is a golf course on the photo called Irvine Golf Course.   Whats its story?

Joel:

I'm almost certain that's Irvine Golf Club, known locally as Bogside, one of the lesser-known courses in an area rich w/ courses -- Troon, Prestwick, Western Gailes, Glasgow Gailes, Kilmarnock and a few others are all nearby. It dates to 1887, and its design is largely the work of James Braid. Some details from the club website:

http://www.theirvinegolfclub.co.uk/
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Chris Kane

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2008, 11:26:47 PM »
IIRC, Irvine hosted the second strokeplay round last time the Amateur Championship was at Troon.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2008, 05:24:15 AM »
Irvine Bogside is a good course....

I was just reading about a new Scottish links course by DMK called 'The Ayrshire'...

...Know anything of this, Martin?.... It had passed me by until this week...
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2008, 05:27:22 AM »
Here is something about it:

http://www.irvinebayurc.co.uk/news_and_events/news/76_the-ayrshire

Looks like it could be the same course....
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2008, 11:03:48 AM »
Stumbled across this while searching for something else: http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,19128.0.html
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2008, 11:51:38 AM »
Yep, Martin, it looks like you are going to have to suck up to David Kidd if you want to work on it.
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2008, 12:26:28 PM »
I'll maybe have to buy him a couple of wee drinkies at TC's wedding in Ireland next month!!!
 ;D
FBD.
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Alan FitzGerald CGCS MG

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2009, 08:00:24 AM »
Found this article this morning and did a search here and found this thread and figured they are the same.

http://www.allmediascotland.com/media_releases/23687/New-golf-links-on-course-for-Irvine-Bay
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Andrew Mitchell

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2009, 11:45:15 AM »
I thought DMK had pulled out of the UK market?
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2009, 11:50:00 AM »
Quote from: Andrew Mitchell on December 02, 2009, 11:45:15 AM
I thought DMK had pulled out of the UK market?

He's stopped the overhead bleed of a permanent UK office... Would seriously doubt he or any other architect has pulled out of the UK (or any) market at the moment...
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Anthony Gray

Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2009, 12:09:10 PM »


  How far from the nearest famous course?

  ARG

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Brian Phillips

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2009, 12:16:16 PM »
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Mark Pearce

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2009, 12:20:41 PM »
Quote from: Anthony Gray on December 02, 2009, 12:09:10 PM


  How far from the nearest famous course?

  ARG


See post 6.  It's next door to Dundonald, if you read the article Alan posted.
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Niall C

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2009, 02:49:42 PM »
Ardeer and the Ayrshire course are two seperate but nearby properties. It both could be bought along with Dundonald which is on the market then you would have a Scottish Bandon. Now theres an idea but then I suspect someone has already had that idea.

Niall
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2009, 05:07:07 AM »
Quote from: Niall Carlton on December 02, 2009, 02:49:42 PM
Ardeer and the Ayrshire course are two seperate but nearby properties.

Are they?

Through this thread, we have all been working on the premise that they are the same... If the Ayrshire is DMK, who or what is Ardeer?
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Niall C

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Re: Ardeer: ANOTHER 'Last Develop-able Scottish Links'?
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2009, 07:40:10 AM »
Ally

Unfortunately I'm crap at all the techno stuff like posting but if you look at google earth, the strip of ground north of Western Gailes is the property designated for the Ayrshire while the peninsula to the north of that is the Ardeer property, a much better propostion.

Niall
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