[Melvyn Morrow]

Richard

It’s your life and your opinions, but who is attacking me personally? On what subject and when?

As for your comment about this course being better than that course, it’s your opinion again.  As for Tiger not wanting to play or sacrificing the opportunity to play at The Open – so what. How many Opens has he played and how many has he won. 

My understanding from your post is that you are a keen supporter of Tiger, you love the American courses to the point that you believe Pine Valley is superior to The Old Course. How many times have you played the Old Course (and the time of the year), which has allowed you to come to this conclusion?

I can’t comment on Pine Valley as I have not played the course. I wonder why you believe that The Open would be played in America, it’s played in the UK (I would prefer it to stay in Scotland – but that just my opinion).

As for The Open it is the oldest Open, it set the standard for over 35 years before being copied – sorry but that’s history, its remained the one most player want to win, yet it takes nothing away from the Masters or the US Open. Am I detecting an underlying theme that if it is not American it is of no major value - are you seeking a World Series of Golf like your football which seems to excludes the rest of the world – sorry, I just don’t understand your point, but you do not seem to rate the oldest Open Championship in the world – is that because in your eyes its not American or in America?   

My question was simple how old are you, under 25, 40, 60? Thanks for asking about my mother, she is keen to meet you – as she does not consider herself fat or ugly but not bad for an 84 year old – and can still throw a good slap at rude young men.

[George Pazin]

Thanks for asking about my mother, she is keen to meet you – as she does not consider herself fat or ugly but not bad for an 84 year old – and can still throw a good slap at rude young men.

  I hope I get to meet her someday.

Garland -

The reports on Tiger were that he tore the ACL running sometime last summer.

[Mark Pearce]

Richard, I don't think Tiger felt The Open was something to be skipped over the others.  I don't infer that from his conduct at all. 

You don't have to infer anything at all. That is what he DID!

The fact is he played in US Open which directly caused him to miss The Open when the doctor's recommendation was to do otherwise.

You may say that that is only because it is Torrey. I would turn that around and say that that is only a factor in that Tiger felt this was an especially good opportunity to win the US Open and he was willing to sacrifice The Open and PGA to parlay that chance, and not necessarily because "he loves Torrey".

Actions speak louder than words, Tiger spoke volumes with his actions.

Richard,

Without wanting to spoil the thread, your opinion as to importance of majors both in this thread is, to be polite, poorly thought out.  You asked if Greg Norman would give up his Opens for a Masters and assumed he would.  I doubt it.  As an Aussie I suspect the Open will have meant more to him than the Masters.  I don't think we can assume anthing about Tiger's preferences, since he takes all 4 Majors as important.  We can, I suspect, assume that the US Open is more likely to have more significance to Americans and the Open to Europeans (and probably ROW)..

As to your frankly silly comment about Pine Valley, it isn't about to host a Major, so no-one's going to win there.

[Mike Mosely]

, Richard, with great respect, I don't think Tiger knew - in advance - he would have to trade the PGA and Open Championship for the US Open.  i think he had every intention of grinding through all three of them till he ground down his acl during the week of the Open and had no choice but "miss two or miss a lot more..."

[Kalen Braley]

Can't we all just sing Kumbaya and have a couple of margaritas.

I think both sides have pretty clearly stated thier position about The Open and what it means.

In the end, we will all take the same dirt nap and none of this will really matter right?

[Richard Choi]

Without wanting to spoil the thread, your opinion as to importance of majors both in this thread is, to be polite, poorly thought out.  You asked if Greg Norman would give up his Opens for a Masters and assumed he would.  I doubt it.  As an Aussie I suspect the Open will have meant more to him than the Masters.  I don't think we can assume anthing about Tiger's preferences, since he takes all 4 Majors as important.  We can, I suspect, assume that the US Open is more likely to have more significance to Americans and the Open to Europeans (and probably ROW)..

As to your frankly silly comment about Pine Valley, it isn't about to host a Major, so no-one's going to win there.

Mark, from the interviews/stories that I read about Norman, he is pretty haunted by the fact that he never won the Masters.

And you are correct that my comment about Pine Valley was silly. But that is to make my point that stating you are not truly a "champion" unless you win The Open is just as silly.

[Richard Choi]

BTW... even Wikipedia agress with me

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Morris%2C_Sr

(hint: read the last line)

[Mike Sweeney]

And as to asking a former "champion", yes, you should go ask Tiger about which Major matters most to him. He has made it clear in numerous interviews that Masters is special.

BTW... even Wikipedia agress with me

Not sure if Tiger agrees with you!

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From 2005 Open Championship

http://www.golf.com/golf/special/article/0,28136,1717318-2,00.html

"When Woods won at the Old Course in 2000 by eight strokes, he completed the career Grand Slam. Now there are two players who have won all four major golf tournaments at least twice: Nicklaus and Woods. "To complete my first career Grand Slam here and then to complete my second at the same place, that's as SPECIAL as it gets," Woods said. "The home of golf.""

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From 2007 PGA Championship victory Sunday at Southern Hills:

http://www.pga.com/pgachampionship/2007/news/woods081207.html

"It feels a lot more SPECIAL when you have your family there," Woods said. "And it used to be my mom and dad. And now Elin and now we have our own daughter. So it's evolved, and this one feels so much more special than the other majors.


"The British Open last year was different, but this one was certainly so SPECIAL and so right to have Elin and Sam there," he added. "I wasn't really paying attention when I saw them. I was so excited and just want to give Elin and Sam a kiss and get back to signing my scorecard."

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[Mark Pearce]

Richard,

If Norman is haunted by anything, I suspect it's the way he folded when faced with Faldo in '96.  I don't think it would have mattered which major they were playing in, that collapse would haunt anyone.

[Richard Choi]

Tiger is gracious at every event. Which is why his actions speak louder than mere words.

But when asked after the US Open whether or not this victory is the best/most special, he said no and pointed to 97 Masters as his favorite win.

[Richard Choi]

Richard,

If Norman is haunted by anything, I suspect it's the way he folded when faced with Faldo in '96.  I don't think it would have mattered which major they were playing in, that collapse would haunt anyone.

Why is he haunted at all when The Open is the only "true champion" tournament. Are you saying that other majors are just as important as The Open?

Are you saying that even becoming the "true champion" wasn't enough to wash away the pains of losing other majors?

I would agree, which is why I believe Melvin's statements are so silly.

[Garland Bayley]

BTW... even Wikipedia agress with me

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Morris%2C_Sr

(hint: read the last line)

Nice wikipedia edit job Richard! 

[Richard Choi]

Nice wikipedia edit job Richard! 

I swear I didn't do it!!!!

[Melvyn Morrow]

Richard

Please no speculation – Old Tom was invited to Australia to undertake a couple of design and declined to go. He was also invited to go to America in 1895 by Rev. Dr. Robert Adams Paterson (of the gutta-percha ball inventor) but declined due to his age.

I know a little about my own family.

I think I have said enough on The open – accept or don’t, that is you option. You are starting to look silly.

[John Kavanaugh]

It is pretty easy to win.  Men and women alike admire Norman for his ability to show grace in a cocksure way during events that would break the average man.  I love Norman for how he lost and can't recall either of his major victories.

[Garland Bayley]

It is pretty easy to win. ...

Yep, all things being equal you have a 1/156 chance of winning a pga tour event you are in. Of course, all things aren't equal even now without the great unequalizer around.
 

[John Kavanaugh]

It is pretty easy to win. ...

Yep, all things being equal you have a 1/156 chance of winning a pga tour event you are in. Of course, all things aren't equal even now without the great unequalizer around.
 

Honestly, it's not that easy to win and not become a complete bore.

[Mike Sweeney]

Tiger is gracious at every event. Which is why his actions speak louder than mere words.

But when asked after the US Open whether or not this victory is the best/most special, he said no and pointed to 97 Masters as his favorite win.

Looks like either Tiger or Richard is confused:

http://www.sportsline.com/golf/story/10868069

"I think this is probably my best, all things considered," Woods said, cradling the Open trophy for the first time since 2002. "I don't know how I ended up in this position."

[Andy Troeger]

Melvyn,
I agree that if you sample those who have won the Open Championship that they would say its the most important.

However, I think if you ask Masters Champions, you'll get that as an answer more often that not.

Think Andy North thinks any event is more important than the US Open? Just a guess. Or Steve Jones or other champions.

Heck the poor saps who win the PGA might even think its #1, even if they are doomed forever not to have anyone else agree with them 

In any case, I agree that the point has been made for both sides. There's no right answer anyway. The four majors are all great for various reasons. You've highlighted the reasons for the Open Championship. Hopefully it'll be a great event again this year.

[Michael Blake]

Can we all agree that at least the PGA stinks?

I'd rather win the Chitimacha Louisiana Open Presented By Dynamic Industries, on the Nationwide Tour than win the PGA.



7am begins coverage tomorrow.  Sometimes it's reeeaaal nice to be a stay-at-home dad! 

....I Wonder what my kids are gonna go all day while I watch The Open?

[Mike Sweeney]

Can we all agree that at least the PGA stinks?

You and Richard need to talk with Tiger first:

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/usopen08/columns/story?columnist=sobel_jason&id=3448890


Tiger's Take on 2000 PGA: "The fireworks started on the back nine. This is probably one of the greatest duels I've ever had in my life. Hats off to Bob. He played his heart out.''

[Mark Pearce]

Richard,

If Norman is haunted by anything, I suspect it's the way he folded when faced with Faldo in '96.  I don't think it would have mattered which major they were playing in, that collapse would haunt anyone.

Why is he haunted at all when The Open is the only "true champion" tournament. Are you saying that other majors are just as important as The Open?

Are you saying that even becoming the "true champion" wasn't enough to wash away the pains of losing other majors?

I would agree, which is why I believe Melvin's statements are so silly.

You may be mistaking me for Melvyn.  I didn't claim that the Open is the only true championship.  I merely disagreed with your claim that Norman would swap his Open wins for a Masters.  You may think Melvyn's comments were silly but yours appear equally so.  Like him you appear to rank the majors in a single way, failing to allow for personal differences.

[Richard Choi]

You may be mistaking me for Melvyn.  I didn't claim that the Open is the only true championship.  I merely disagreed with your claim that Norman would swap his Open wins for a Masters.  You may think Melvyn's comments were silly but yours appear equally so.  Like him you appear to rank the majors in a single way, failing to allow for personal differences.

I think it is you who is mistaking me for Melvyn. Personally, I prefer Masters and US Open over The Open, bt I can certainly see how others can and will differ.

Only point I am trying to make is that anyone who is arguing that you can only call yourself a champion if you win The Open is denigrating all other Majors.

[Richard Choi]

Tiger's Take on 2000 PGA: "The fireworks started on the back nine. This is probably one of the greatest duels I've ever had in my life. Hats off to Bob. He played his heart out.''

Mike, I have already stated that you can find quotes from Tiger about how special an event is during the press conference afterwards.

What you will not find are any interviews after an important major win where he ranks a win from another major as more important or special. He did that after this year's US Open when he was asked to rank his favorite major wins.

The quote above talks about the greatest duel, but not about his favorite major which still is the Masters.

[Melvyn Morrow]

With respect Mark, I have not actually made any comment re ranking the majors. All I have said is that The Open (as it is known by the major of the golfing world) is the oldest Open Championship. Through the many, many years of my life the winners when interviewed have clearly made their comments after collecting the Claret Jug, hence my comment to Richard to
ask all the past winners how they felt. My comments are based upon feed
back I and my father noted over the years.

Silly is Richards opinion but in reality we should only rely on the comments of those who collected the Claret Jug. IMHO I believe that overall they rate The Open as the one to win. Not only is it the oldest Championship but the Claret Jug holds the names of the greats down the ages from 1872, which clearly is  an important reflection in the minds of the new Champions. I think by reading the Winners comments reported in the various newspapers over the last 100 years others may also confirm how the players rank this Championship.

My conclusion which is not based upon national pride but from observations is that IMHO it could be called the Champions Championship, but that in no way diminishes the importance of the other great tournaments. Does by the very fact of winning a competition reflect badly on all those that entered, no of course not. So the final judgement should be left to the Competitors and Winner which will no doubt be reported in the morning papers as they have since 1860.

Richard

I understand your passion, support for Tiger and that for your Nation, but you are basing your whole point on one player and one moment in time. I am looking at the overall picture going back over 100 years. 

I think we have gone as far as we can - don't you agree?

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