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Garland Bayley

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Courses by Bruce Devlin
« on: June 02, 2008, 07:31:26 PM »
I guess as usual, I don't know nuttin', but what are the courses by Bruce Devlin that would earn him Golf World accolades?
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Mark Bourgeois

Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2008, 07:34:43 PM »
Too many to list, all with von Hagge, but according to C&W he actually spent time supervising construction.  So we can't go after him for that.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2008, 07:39:01 PM »
von Hagge, he's someone I knew was a GCA. I wonder where Golf World thinks he fits in?
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Mark Bourgeois

Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2008, 07:40:14 PM »
von Hagge? He's on the overrated list.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2008, 07:44:11 PM »
Just as I suspected.
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Willie_Dow

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2008, 07:59:21 PM »
What about Eleuthra ?  We were there some years ago, and it was a great piece on the north end of the island.

Sorry, was it Von hagge ?
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2008, 08:03:20 PM »
Willie,

Google search says Cotton Bay in Eleuthera is RTJ. Is that what you meant?
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David Kelly

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2008, 08:07:30 PM »
From his website:

Bruce Devlin has been building golf courses throughout the world, including Australia, Japan, Puerto Rico, the Bahamas, Scotland and the United States. A sampling of some of the facilities are as follows:

Bayshore Golf Course – Miami Beach, FL

Bayshore Municipal Golf Course – Miami Beach, FL

Big Cypress – Orlando, FL

Black Hawk Country Club – Danville, CA
Lakes Course

Boca Del Mar Country Club – Boca Raton, FL

Boca Lago Golf Course – Boca Raton, FL
East Course
West Course

Boca Rio Golf Club – Boca Raton, FL

Boca West Country Club – Boca Raton, FL
Boca West # 3 Course

Boynton Beach Municipal Golf Course – Boynton Beach, FL
Blue/Red Course
Red/White Course
White/Blue Course

Brandywine Bay Golf Club – Morehead City, NC

California City Golf Club – California City, CA

Card Sound Golf Club – Key Largo, FL

Carolina Golf Club – Margate, FL

Chase Oaks Golf Course – Plano, TX
Blackjack Course
Sawtooth Course

Cliffs, The – Kingdom Lake, TX

Club at Falcon Point, The – Katy, TX

Colony West Country Club – Tamarac, FL

Crandon Park Golf Course - Key Biscane, FL

Crown Colony, Lufkin, TX
  (Ranked # 3 in Texas by Golf Digest Magazine)

Doral Park & Country Club – Miami, FL

Eagle Vail Golf Club – Avon, CO

East Lake Woodlands Golf & Country Club – Oldsmar, FL
North Course

Eastwood Golf Course – Fort Myers, FL

EL Caro Country Club - Phoenix, AZ

Emerald Hills – Hollywood, FL

Fountain Country Club – Lake Worth, FL
North Course
South Course
West Course

Gleneagles Country Club – Plano, TX
Kings Course
Queen’s Course

Glenlakes Golf Club – Foley, AL
Dunes Course

Gold Creek Golf Club – Canberra, ACT, Australia
  (Home of the Australian PGA Championship)

Hollytree Country Club – Tyler, TX

Hunters Run Golf Course – Boynton Beach, FL
East Course
North Course
South Course

Indian Springs Golf & Tennis Club – Boynton Beach, FL
East Course
West Course

Key Biscayne – Key Biscayne, FL
(Original design)
  (Home of the Royal Caribbean Senior PGA Tournament)

Lake Kawaguichico – Tokyo, Japan

Lakes, The – Sydney, Australia
  (Hosted numerous Australian Opens and Australian PGA Championships)

Marco Shores Country Club – Naples, FL

Marriott’s Bay Point Resort – Panama city, FL
Lagoon Legend Course

Marriott’s Tan-Tar-A Resort & Golf Club – Osage Beach, MO
The Oaks Course

Mill Creek Country Club – Franklin, NC

Nashville Golf & Athletic Club – Brentwood, TN

Northgate Country Club – Houston, TX

NorthShore Country Club – Corpus Christi, TX
  (Former home of the Nike S. Texas Open)

Ocean Reef Club – Key Largo, FL
Dolphin Course
Harbor Course

Ocean Shores – New South Wales, Australia

Palm-Aire Country Club – Pompano Beach, FL
Sabals Course

Poinciana Golf & Racquet Club – Kissimmee, FL

Pompano Beach Golf Course – Pompano Beach, FL
Palms Course
Pines Course

Quail Hollow Golf Club – Boise, ID

Quail Hollow Resort & Country Club – Painesville, OH
  (Home of the Nike Cleveland Open)
Devlin/von Hagge Course

Raveneaux Country Club – Spring, TX
New Course
Old Course

Rayburn Country Club & Resort – Sam Rayburn, TX
Blue/Green Course

Sandalfoot Cove Country Club – Boca Raton, FL

The Club at Sonterra - San Antonio, TX


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Secession Golf Club – Gibbes Island, SC
  (Voted 4th Best New Private Course by Golf Digest, January 1994


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Shawnee Golf & Country Club – Shawnee, OK

Sherbrooke Golf & Country Club – Lake Worth, FL

St. Andrews Bay - Scotland
Click here to see selected holes on this golf course being built.

Tanoan Country Club – Albuquerque, NM
Acoma/Sandia Course
Sandia/Zia Course
Zia/Acoma Course

Tierra del Sol Golf Club – California City, CA

TPC at Prestancia – Sarasota, FL
Club Course

TPC at The Woodlands – The Woodlands, TX
  (Home of the Shell Houston Open)

Tucson National Golf & Conference Resort – Tucson, AZ
Gold/Green Course
Green/Orange Course

Walden on Lake Conroe Golf & Country Club – Montgomery, TX
  (Houston Area # 1 Ranked)

Walden on Lake Houston Golf & Country Club – Humble, TX

Wedgewood Golf Course – Conroe, TX

Willow Creek Golf Club – Spring, TX

Winter Springs Golf Club – Winter Springs, FL

Woodlands Country Club – Tamarac, FL
East Course
West Course

Woodmont Country Club – Tamarac, FL
Cypress Course

Wycliffe Country Club – Lake Worth, FL
  (Home of the LPGA Oldsmobile Classic)
East Course

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Garland Bayley

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2008, 08:11:54 PM »
Wow. I began to read that list and I was sure TEP favorite Fernadina Beach was going to be on there.

I don't think I have heard of any of them. Any of them considered good? Doak ever rate one?
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2008, 08:18:43 PM »
Robert Von Hagge's body of work is quite extensive, in the U.S. and abroad, and some of his courses are very well regarded.
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Sam Morrow

Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2008, 08:21:25 PM »
I like the work on Von Hagge/Devlin, it's some of the better stuff in Houston.
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David Kelly

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2008, 08:22:25 PM »
Crandon Park (which was called The Links at Key Biscayne then) and Colony West were considered the best public courses in the Ft. Lauderdale/Miami area in the 80s and early 90s when I lived in the area.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2008, 08:22:32 PM »
Hi Patrick,

Have you played any of those he did with Bruce Devlin? If so what do you think?

Quote from: Patrick_Mucci on June 02, 2008, 08:18:43 PM
Robert Von Hagge's body of work is quite extensive, in the U.S. and abroad, and some of his courses are very well regarded.
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Mark Bourgeois

Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2008, 08:26:23 PM »
For the record, I was kidding!
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2008, 08:27:26 PM »
For the record, so was I. ;)
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Willie_Dow

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2008, 08:41:23 PM »
No Garland - it was out there, on the end of Eluthra, in the 60's.
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Joey Smith

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2008, 09:29:08 PM »
Quote from: Garland Bayley on June 02, 2008, 08:11:54 PM
Wow. I began to read that list and I was sure TEP favorite Fernadina Beach was going to be on there.

I don't think I have heard of any of them. Any of them considered good? Doak ever rate one?


Nashville Golf is really good...BUT - They don't over spend on maintenance.  Trees have overtaken a lot of the angles.  Some 20 years ago the pine tree salesman came through town and must of cut a deal.   

Small - appreciative of what they have membership, no tee times, no pool.

Was originally built to host an Open.  7500 yards in the mid 70's.

Your thoughts Mike H?
« Last Edit: June 02, 2008, 09:32:23 PM by Joey Smith »
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I've only seen one that really stinks...but I seen a lot of really good ones...

Randy Thompson

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2008, 12:26:50 AM »
All those courses listed above were done with Von Hagge. I spoke with Bob about three weeks ago and he told me they now had the number one rating in Europe ahead of even St. Andrews. I assume he meant La Borg(sp??). I wonder where that rating came from, I didn΄t question him, just congradulated him. Kelly and I were working together on a project in Texas when he split with Bruce after some better then 20 or 25 years together. The split had a lot to do with the project we were working on. I did some construction management and maintenance consulting for them but Kelly Moran was a partner in the firm for some ten odd years. He be the real expert...must be traveling and that why he has not jumped in!
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John_Conley

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2008, 01:00:51 AM »
I'm a fan of Devlin/Von Hagge courses.  I've seen a few in Florida and they are all similar vintage.  1970s and 1980s for the most part.

Lagoon Legend is unfortunately NLE.  It was built around the time of the TPC and was like an Edsel...a lot of good ideas that maybe were used later but courses like it didn't take so it is a one-of-a-kind.

Sheoah a/k/a Big Cypress a/k/a Winter Springs Golf Club has been left to grow over.  It could be brought back as a golf course, but that would require some major work.  Fun to play, but the corridors are too narrow so it is (was) tricky in many spots.

Royal Oak in Titusville is pretty good.  Some real good holes.
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Jim Nugent

Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2008, 01:55:48 AM »
One of the Devlin/Von Hagge courses -- Boca Rio -- is profiled on this website. 
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Steve_Lovett

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2008, 01:56:45 AM »
John - what has happened to Lagoon Legend?  It was part of the Marriott Complex in Panama City, right?  It was a fun course - a wild ride....!

I understood VonHagge to be eccentric - and Lagoon Legend personified that.
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Andrew Summerell

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2008, 07:31:35 AM »
I’ve played the Australian ones.

Ocean Shores is reasonable, but not great,

Gold Creek is particularly average,

The work they did at The Lakes I believe was a redesign of the original Eric Apperly/Tom Howard design. It has been reworked since by almost every GCA in Australia & now has Mike Clayton working there.
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Keith Williams

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2008, 08:33:10 AM »
What was left of Lagoon Legend (the character of the course had changed so much over the years) was closed, redesigned by Nicklaus Design and subsequently renamed the Nicklaus Course.

I miss the old Lagoon Legend.  In its early years it was very much what could be called "Indiana Jones" golf - adventurous, daring and wild, with lots of do-or-die opportunities.  As time drew on the course was softened and housing developed around much of it, but it still would have been worth preserving if only to show what 1980's architecture was all about.

For a watered down idea of what the course was like, Von Hagge and Devlin's 9 holes of work at GlenLakes in Alabama is similar, but not as good.

Keith.
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Randy Thompson

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2008, 10:37:28 AM »
Quote from: Kelly Blake Moran on June 03, 2008, 08:10:04 AM
Quote from: Randy Thompson on June 03, 2008, 12:26:50 AM
I assume he meant La Borg(sp??).

Jesus Randy I thought it was Ted Kennedy, not you I saw  coming out of the hospital!!!!

Les Bordes was ranked #1 by a magazine out of Belgium I believe, even ahead of the overhyped TOC.  That ranking does coincide with von Hagge having two courses underway in Belgium right now and their lead man on Les Bordes in Belgium working on those projects.

Many of the courses on Bruce's list of courses should be identified as being with von Hagge.  In the 3 years I was there that overlapped with Bruce I rarely saw him on site if at all.  Not sure why he even lists Boca Rio since Bob did that on his own before Bruce and during the renovation I never recall Bruce being there.  I think Bruce was a business partner with Bob for about 17 years more or less.

Kelly,
Well EXCUSE ME, I spelt it the way its pronuounced. Don΄t get started on the Kennedy΄s please, you bush loving red neck! Looks like I was wrong about Hillary, ouch!
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Courses by Bruce Devlin
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2008, 10:47:04 AM »
Randy:

The only courses I've seen on Devlin's list (which may be a bit liberal in its interpretation of "his" work) are Boca Rio (which you say is not his) and Secession. 

Secession was Devlin working solo, I'm pretty sure.  I don't know if he did anything else solo, but most people like the course ... I found it a bit severe, but there was going to be a lot of marsh in play no matter who designed it.
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