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TEPaul

HVGC NAILED the IMM in the Baily Cup
« on: May 09, 2008, 01:06:41 PM »
HVGC and their remarkable super, Scott Anderson, absolutely nailed the Ideal Maintenance Meld in last Wednesday's Baily Cup in Philadelphia. This year was the 75th anniversay of the Baily Cup, an annual competition on the first Wednesday of May every year between HVGC, Pine Valley, Merion and Gulph Mills.

There are singles matches in the morning and foursome matches in the afternoon and a wonderful old fashioned super camaraderie dinner following the matches with toasts and stories and jokes (a few on these teams are also world class joke tellers generally lead by Hartfeld's Davis Sezna (now in California) who in my opinion is funnier than 75% of the professional comedians out there).

The dinner always begins with a toast of port to Frederick Baily who served on Merion's search committee in 1910 in the move to Ardmore. Baily was struck and killed by lightening, I think in the early 1920s, on one of Merion's greens.

Anyway, I didn't play but I did go around the course in the afternoon following the foursome matches and I have basically never seen a course that completely nailed the "Ideal Maintenance Meld" quite like that.

When I came out of the parking lot and got my first look at a few greens they had this combination ultra light green/light brown SHEEN to them. Shots "through the green" were bouncing and rolling and trucking all over the topography. The fairways were light green not brown. The players said it was all they could handle but basically all of them were loving it because it took so much thought just to figure out what kind of shot to try---eg the ball was definitely not sticking or holding that well coming into the greens and the approaches were really functioning for bounce or run-in selections. The medalist in the singles was HVGC's Mike Gregor with a 71. I've known him for years around here on the tournament circuit and he can really play--a true "natural" talent and incredibly solid ball striker. Really remarkably, one foursome (alternate shot) on the HVGC team shot a 73!

I spoke to Scott on the phone a couple of times that day and he told me the course basically could not have been better than it was and it wasn't even close to stressing, and Scott is definitely not a guy who ever overstates or exaggerates things, that's for sure. He told me what the greenspeed was but I told him I wouldn't tell anyone and I'm not going to. I putted a bunch of them and they were definitely super-sporty requiring huge imagination but I thought they were all very doable with caution and thoughtful and imaginative putting and chipping. The stimp reading was really fast though! HVGC's greens are multi-strains with some excellent "managed" poa, like most of the old top championship courses around here still are!

HVGC sort of blew the other teams away and won the Baily Cup. At the other end of the spectrum, the Baily Cup has always had what's referred to as the "Piss Pot" that the team with the lowest team total has to drink in front of everyone at the end of the dinner. Over the years, Gulph Mills' team has sort of become conoisseurs of the Piss Pot but this year we beat out Merion by a minimum numerical possibility of a mere half point to not drink the Piss Pot.

(The Merion team captain, Gerhard Van Arkle, had to cut out of the dinner early to go watch to see if his super-athlete daughter won the Inter-Ac athlete of the year so his Merion captain duties at the dinner were taken over by hilariously funny, Tom Murrell. When the Merion team was collecting in front of the dinner to drink the Piss Pot. I was just slipping out on the patio for a smoke but I believe I heard Murrell dedicate the Piss Pot to two over-arching numb-skulls from somewhere out there in the boondocks by the name of Moriarty and MacWood who apparently think they know something about Merion's architectural history, about the ethos of this town as it relates to others and who are out to ridiculously reinterpret Merion's history on some Internet website without even having bothered to come here).

Anyway, you're THE MAN, Scott Anderson! For those not aware of it we think Scott may've been the first one in America to bring a prominent American INLAND golf course out of years of massive over-irrigation and dry it out, soup it up, speed it up and make it shine figuratively and literally. That was almost twenty five years ago and he claims there was no way he could've pulled it off if he didn't have one Linc Roden behind him all the way who was followed by Sully's (JES11 on here) father Jim Sullivan.

HVGC just NAILED the Ideal Maintenance Meld in the Baily Cup last Wednesday. I've seen courses come close like NGLA in the National's Singles Tournament, and like Merion East and of course Oakmont but HVGC and Scott did it as good as it can be done, in my opinion.

It is a playability and a look to just die for, I will gurantee you all that!

PS:
Scott did such a great job last Wednesday, I want to make a little plug here for his very serious sideline expertise----eg minimizing the effects of geopathic stress. It works on his course and it works on anyone willing to have him remediate it in their homes and offices or whatever. Give him a call and he'll come out and do it for you and your entire life will also NAIL your personal IMM and you too can become as firm and fast as you can stand. Contact me on the IM or email and I'll tell you how to reach him. The only thing you probably shouldn't ask him to do for you is give you a drink of water. Scott's not too crazy about using water.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2008, 01:13:25 PM by TEPaul »

RJ_Daley

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Re: HVGC NAILED the IMM in the Baily Cup
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 01:18:19 PM »
Tom, next time take pictures!  Not that your narrative wasn't greatly entertaining and descriptive of Scott's work there...  ;) ;D
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TEPaul

Re: HVGC NAILED the IMM in the Baily Cup
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2008, 01:26:20 PM »
Take pictures? Do you mean that new-fangled thing called a camera? I haven't become quite that technologically profficient yet. I'm a little like the great Philadelphia golf and architecture writer, Jim Finegan, who told me the other day he thinks he's finally gotten his 1948 Underwood typewriter broken in.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2008, 01:28:26 PM by TEPaul »

RJ_Daley

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Re: HVGC NAILED the IMM in the Baily Cup
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2008, 01:43:26 PM »
Tom, we appreciate your effort to draw attention to a fine practioner of firm and fast ideal maintenance meld.   It is important to spread the word.  But, some folks also want to see the kind of conditions that Scott is providing.  And, how many golfers ever get to experience play on such conditions.  Anything that can be done to stimulate more golfers imaginations to appreciate these maintenance practices is a good thing, including pictures.  So Tom, find a photo geek to assist you, and we will all be the better for it.  Point and shoot with flash feature OFF!  ;) 8)
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Kalen Braley

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Re: HVGC NAILED the IMM in the Baily Cup
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2008, 03:19:10 PM »
Tom, we appreciate your effort to draw attention to a fine practioner of firm and fast ideal maintenance meld.   It is important to spread the word.  But, some folks also want to see the kind of conditions that Scott is providing.  And, how many golfers ever get to experience play on such conditions.  Anything that can be done to stimulate more golfers imaginations to appreciate these maintenance practices is a good thing, including pictures.  So Tom, find a photo geek to assist you, and we will all be the better for it.  Point and shoot with flash feature OFF!  ;) 8)

Have camera, will travel!!!  ;)

Phil McDade

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Re: HVGC NAILED the IMM in the Baily Cup
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2008, 07:41:53 PM »
Tom:

Great post! I'm wondering if you can get into this a little bit more, because I recall you mentioning it in previous posts about ideal maintenance melds. The thought is this: You and others argue getting the kind of conditions at HVGC involve more -- apparently a lot more -- than simply turning off the water. That is, courses shouldn't automatically expect to save money through less water usage if they are seeking these kind of conditions. Without resorting to a full-blown treatise on it, can you help explain a bit how a course gets to conditions like this -- not the sort of "will of the membership" thing and the obvious talents of a super like Scott -- but through agronomy and maintenance practices.

Thanks!

RJ_Daley

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Re: HVGC NAILED the IMM in the Baily Cup
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2008, 08:04:36 PM »
Phil, see Scott Anderson's feature interview.  I haven't read it in a while, but I think he covers the turf maintenance side of it pretty well there.  It is a slow process requiring patience by the members. 
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wsmorrison

Re: HVGC NAILED the IMM in the Baily Cup
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2008, 08:26:03 PM »
Come on, Tom.  I know you know that HV is a CC, not a GC.

Mike Sweeney

Re: HVGC NAILED the IMM in the Baily Cup
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2008, 09:16:35 PM »
HVGC and their remarkable super, Scott Anderson, absolutely nailed the Ideal Maintenance Meld in last Wednesday's Baily Cup in Philadelphia.

Is it true that he trained with Karl Olson at NGLA??!!  ;) :D ;D :P

Phil McDade

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Re: HVGC NAILED the IMM in the Baily Cup
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2008, 09:41:46 PM »
Phil, see Scott Anderson's feature interview.  I haven't read it in a while, but I think he covers the turf maintenance side of it pretty well there.  It is a slow process requiring patience by the members. 

Dick:

Thanks -- I hadn't gotten to that one, yet, and I promise to -- soon!

Matt OBrien

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Re: HVGC NAILED the IMM in the Baily Cup
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2008, 10:25:25 PM »
I caddied there on Wed. and I would have to agree that the course was the best I have ever seen it. Not only were the greens fast, the put pins in spots I have never seen before. The course was playing very difficult and I have to give scott alot of credit. 2 guests I had that day were there for the 1st time and they were still scratching thier heads after 36 holes. They could not figure the greens out.

Peter Pallotta

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2008, 10:12:06 PM »
Thanks, Tom - fine post.

I wanted to bring this back up for a few reasons. 1) To say that reading all you can from Scott Anderson (who JES first pointed me to) is really worth it. 2) Because I think getting by with less water - no, doing more than getting by, making things BETTER with less water -- is important and will be ever more so. 3) Because I played a nice local course today, modest and playable and inexpensive (and my first round of the year.) It looked to me that the fairways were meant to be much wider than they were (there was LOTS of yards of rough on both sides of the fairly narrow mow-lines). Maybe they were narrowed to save the time/money to cut them, or maybe to make what locals might think as an easy course look and play harder.  But anyway, everything was very lush and watered, and you didn't need to be a student of golf design or even a good player to see and feel the difference that the combination made - it cut down on the fun and options.

On one hole I pulled my drive a little and was off in the rough on the left, and found that if it wasn't for the wet high rough I would've had a perfect angle and shot to the green. Since further left was death (a dense forest) I thought, "that's a shame: fair enough to penalize me for a mishit, but what about the good player who'd chosen to risk death to get the best angle?". Then on another hole I faded it too much, and again I was in wet, thick rough, and I had a terrible angle into the green -- and again I thought "what a shame: for an average player the thick rough AND bad angle leaves one with nothing to do but pitch out; and for the good player the penalty of a bad angle alone would've been enough, and would've led to more interesting choices and possibilities."

Anyway, maybe not the perfect example, but what I'm trying to say is that you don't need to be a good player to recognize the advantages of using less water (and less rough) and for it to make a difference in the way your round plays and how much you enjoy it. And the course doesn't have to be a highly regarded one designed by one of the greats to merit and be made better by the Scott Anderson approach.

Peter     
« Last Edit: May 11, 2008, 10:24:46 PM by Peter Pallotta »

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